Pinaka Multi Barrel Rocket Launching System

See, conceptually Pinaka is area weapon, immediately told by ARDE chief over the suggestion. Area weapons are for tactical short to mid range battlefield application. These are not for long range precision strike in a contested battlefield zone which is usually within a circle of 20-30 km, maybe today expanded to 40 km. Its army weapon and army would not be primarily responsible for striking beyond 30km, 40 km maybe 50km. That would be airforce job.

Today if the theme is to put everything on a single truck TEL platform for ease of operation, its not that the weapon system is irrelevant or past it, rather it is that a user want to cut off large maintenance work on the subsystems ie loading vehicle, MAL, radar vehicle, replenishing vehicle etc due to shorter manpower availability. In this process that user is only decreasing its own capacity. Quality and quantity both are equally important and our army knows it. If I can maintain enough capacity for each of 50 km range, 100km range 300km range systems separately instead of lumbering all into 1 single regiment, it increases my warfighting capacity because during war if half of carrier vehicles are lost or broke for a time, warfighting ability hampers until replenishment arrive to make up for shortfall.

Case in point, different EU countries armed forces suppose to have such high end systems but in short numbers. Which is why the balkans try to show off combined strength , but as soon as time comes to face a large foe, they all wet their pants at the prospect of fighting alone without a big power backing them up.
 
The trials for the 120km variant are coming up later this year and the performance of the MBRL should give a significant shot in the arm for the IA. Perhaps the biggest effect it will end up having will be creating larger exclusion zones, forcing enemy forces to operate at greater distances from Indian positions. Additionally, any new launch pads for the 'new' groups sprouting behind IB or LoC should be within the operational envelope of the IA in case there exists a need for precision strikes that do not involve the IAF. Interesting times ahead as this system evolves.
 

France is keen on acquiring Indian long-range rockets, loitering munitions and counter-drone systems following their performance in Operation Sindoor. The French Army chief expressed interest in co-developing capabilities in artificial intelligence and electronic warfare, highlighting the potential for enhanced joint training.
 
Well I am glad that is under paywall. Will believe it if it ever happens. Very unlikely because Frenchies or the Europeans generally have a different mindset about multi dimensional fully integrated products from elsewhere, esp if its not made by similar white people (read Israel, maybe Russian/Koreans/Chinese in future). More importantly, they are looking for a market for their own products, not looking to buy in many case.

Shells, bullets, raw materials items like that are a different thing, consumables have own market. But these are fully integrated complex systems with software & hardware part, some of which remain in OEM control. We all know the sort of natural suspicion Euros have got about backdoors in digital items mainly because they put such scope themselves. But when the other side do it its unacceptable to them.

This headline like before smells more like France assuring to look at our product so we proceed faster with the pending deals, then when their business is done they will quietly sweep the entire thing under the carpet.
 
Well I am glad that is under paywall. Will believe it if it ever happens. Very unlikely because Frenchies or the Europeans generally have a different mindset about multi dimensional fully integrated products from elsewhere, esp if its not made by similar white people (read Israel, maybe Russian/Koreans/Chinese in future). More importantly, they are looking for a market for their own products, not looking to buy in many case.
It could just be a case of reciprocity to keep us in their orbit. They want to keep India their long term customer, and buying a weapon system from us (so long as it meets their standards) that they don't have a domestic equivalent to yet to support our burgeoning arms industry would earn them a lot of goodwill.

Even then, the French chief has clearly stated that they'll only consider buying the long range versions (possibly Mk3/4) which have not yet been tested. Given our track record of delays and lethargic development, I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the Korean option instead.
 
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It could just be a case of reciprocity to keep us in their orbit. They want to keep India their long term customer, and buying a weapon system from us (so long as it meets their standards) that they don't have a domestic equivalent to yet to support our burgeoning arms industry would earn them a lot of goodwill.

Even then, the French chief has clearly stated that they'll only consider buying the long range versions (possibly Mk3/4) which have not yet been tested. Given our track record of delays and lethargic development, I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the Korean option instead.
There will be such articles that will constantly appear till deals are being struck. Any European force will prioritise either European or American equipment first. There is not only the aspect of integration but also of reliability, QA, and interoperability etc. They tend to support European arms manufacturers first and foremost. If there is an MBRL aspect that does not meet their present needs, they will ask their industries or affiliates to develop it for them. These are carrots that are being dangled for the nascent Indian industry.
 
There will be such articles that will constantly appear till deals are being struck. Any European force will prioritise either European or American equipment first. There is not only the aspect of integration but also of reliability, QA, and interoperability etc. They tend to support European arms manufacturers first and foremost. If there is an MBRL aspect that does not meet their present needs, they will ask their industries or affiliates to develop it for them. These are carrots that are being dangled for the nascent Indian industry.
All true, all true. I was just laying out the possibilities. Pinaka isn't the best, most advanced option available to them–that's their own Foudre, but it is the most cost effective option.
 
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All true, all true. I was just laying out the possibilities. Pinaka isn't the best, most advanced option available to them–that's their own Foudre, but it is the most cost effective option.

Who will french use pinaka against? It would be a miracle of the century if india sells pinaka for french to give it as aid to Ukraine to use against russia.
 
most cost effective option.
It definitely is and if rockets with 120kms and beyond are integrated soon it will add teeth to the IA. The system is adequate for our needs.

MGS and Pinaka MBRL are good 1st gen weapons for the IA.

France is not the export partner that India can cater to anytime soon. If MoD and MEA are able to pull it off, it would be a dazzling feat of Indian bureaucracy.
 
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Pinaka PF warheads. Marking says EPRS (Extended range Pinaka Rocket System) & GPRS (Guided Pinaka Rocket System):
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DPICM warhead casing:
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DPICM bomblet (red colour):
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Many Pinaka motor casings. Mostly Mk1 & Mk2 rockets:
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A guided Pinka rocket:
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Indian Army moves proposal for acquiring 120 km long-range guided Pinaka rockets​



As part of efforts to further strengthen its long-range artillery capabilities post Operation Sindoor, the Indian Army is looking to induct 120 km strike range Pinaka rockets in a proposal worth around Rs 2500 crores.

The rockets with the capability to strike targets at 120 kilometres would be developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation, and the first trials are planned to be carried out in the near future, and then it would be developed with the Development-cum-Production Partners who would be chosen after a bidding process, defence officials told ANI.

The Army's proposal for approval for the project is set to be taken up for clearance by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) very soon, sources said. The Rajnath Singh-led Defence Ministry has been pushing the case for developing the indigenous multi-barrel rocket launchers which have also been exported to friendly foreign countries in the recent past.

The new 120 km strike range rockets of the Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launcher system would be capable of being launched from the same launcher, which at present can hit targets at 40 km and 75 plus km, the officials said.

The Indian Army is also looking at strengthening the existing Pinaka regiments and had recently placed orders for buying the area denial ammunition for these rocket regiments.

Earlier this year, the Ministry of Defence inked contracts with Economic Explosive Limited (EEL) and Munitions India Limited (MIL) for the procurement of Area Denial Munition (ADM) Type-1 (DPICM) and High Explosive Pre Fragmented (HEPF) Mk-1 (Enhanced) rockets respectively for PINAKA Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) at a total cost of Rs 10,147 crore.

In addition, a contract for upgrades in SHAKTI Software has also been signed with Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL). The contracts were signed in the presence of Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh. The Pinaka Multiple Launcher Rocket System (MLRS) is a long-range artillery weapon developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

Known for its rapid response and precision, the Pinaka system enhances the Indian Army's capability in modern warfare.The DRDO is already in the advanced stages of developing a 120-km strike version of the Pinaka rocket and is expected to conduct its first test in the next financial year.

One of the biggest success stories among Indigenous weapon systems, the Army is fully backing the missiles, as Chief of Army Staff Gen Upendra Dwivedi has already made clear that, as soon as longer-range versions of the Pinaka are ready, the force might drop plans for other alternate weapons.

The Pinaka has been a major success story in the export sector as it has been bought by Armenia, while many European countries, including France, are showing interest in it.
 
Just a reminder how much of a game changer the 120km Pinakas are.
Analysis for India's western front, approx distance for all the places hit during Op. Sindoor:

Place
Approx
distance (km)
Sampled Point
Bahawalpur
110 km
Khajuwala
Muridke
60 km
Amritsar
Muzaffarabad
60 km
Uri
Kotli
67 km
Uri
Rawalakot
36 km
Uri
Chakswari
50 km
Rajouri
Bhimber
23 km
Naushera
Neelum Valley
58 km
Uri
Jhelum
53 km
Naushera
Chakwal
111 km
LoC near Naushera
Nur Khan Air Base (Chaklala / Rawalpindi)
100 km
Uri
Rahim Yar Khan Air Base
100 km
Longewala
Rafiqui Air Base (Shorkot)
140 km
LoC near Sri-Ganganagar
Murid Air Base (PAF Murid)
119 km
LoC near Naushera
Sargodha Air Base (PAF Mushaf)
176 km
LoC near Ranjan/Amritsar
Sukkur (Sukkur Airport / base)
120 km
Border near Longewala
Sialkot Air Base / Sialkot city
38 km
Jammu
Pasrur
70 km
Amritsar
Chunian
60 km
Firozpur
Skardu Air Base
100 km
Kargil
Bholari Air Base
130 km
Border near Lakhpat
Jacobabad Air Base
185 km
Longewala

Only 2 locations safe, 2 just beyond the verge, and 2 at max distance.
 
So 4 rockets on a 8x8 chasis launcher. Is it just me or isn't that too little to use these to bombard. In era of missiles, utility of rockets will come from numbers ( cost effectiveness).

Given the slow and unsteady procurement process of India.. how much time would it take to even order the number of launchers required to field a proper rocket force?

Iirc, there's only 114 launchers of older pinaka. Granted they have more launching capacity but still not enough for large borders
 
So, 2 are carried in a single pod and 4 LRGR per launcher.

Hmm based on this, I can assume 300km LRGR will be carried as 1 per pod and 2 per launcher.
If you look carefully at the following image, the rocket pod from which the 120km LRGR was fired is physically larger than the rocket pod meant to launch the unguided 214mm Pinaka rockets.
So technically, a single Pinaka launcher should be capable of dishing out 8 LRGRs to a distance of 120km.
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