People's Republic of China (PRC) : News & Discussions

[Soldier35]

A flight of the alleged prototype of the sixth generation fighter took place in China. During the flight, the prototype aircraft was accompanied by the Chinese J-20 fighter. It is worth noting that the sixth generation of aircraft should already be unmanned, according to some aviation experts. Previously, the alleged prototype was shown at an exhibition.
The aircraft does not have its own index yet, the J-XD or J-XD1 indexes were previously used. The prototype aircraft is created according to the "flying wing" scheme and does not have a tail unit. Presumably, the aircraft does not have hydraulics and all control is carried out by electrical equipment. The aircraft is equipped with flat nozzles of three engines.
Based on the size of the aircraft, it can be assumed that the takeoff weight of the aircraft is from 35 to 50 tons, the payload weight in the internal weapons compartments is about 10 tons, and the flight range is about 2,500 kilometers. The aircraft has a very low RCS, as a result of which it will be difficult to detect by radar.

 

[LX1111]

It's coordinated publicity event apparently because of mass murderer Mao's birthday.

Without Chairman Mao, my family would still be a tenant farmer
And my country is still a divided colony

 

[Ashwin]

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Without Chairman Mao, my family would still be a tenant farmer
And my country is still a divided colony

Many countries did not need mass murder to unite and prosper.

The level of propaganda used to make this generation say these things is astonishing.

 

[LX1111]

Many countries did not need mass murder to unite and prosper.

The level of propaganda used to make this generation say these things is astonishing.

Without a thorough social revolution, there would be no future prosperity. Without Mao Zedong, we would now be just another India, far worse than India. Because India was built by the British for 300 years and China had a 100 year civil war
Mao Zedong was the leader who led the Chinese to a complete revolution
It is true that Mao Zedong made many mistakes and he had his own shortcomings, but without Mao Zedong there would be no modern China

Many countries did not need mass murder to unite and prosper.

The level of propaganda used to make this generation say these things is astonishing.

By the way, I don't deny that China had a severe famine in 1960, but if you look up the FAO data on Chinese food production per capita in 1960, you will be shocked to find that it is exactly the same as India today
India's per capita grain production today is 240KG, while China's per capita grain production in 1960 was 214KG
This means that if India were not a tropical country, the countryside would not be enough to feed all Indians

 

[Ashwin]

Without a thorough social revolution, there would be no future prosperity. Without Mao Zedong, we would now be just another India, far worse than India. Because India was built by the British for 300 years and China had a 100 year civil war
Mao Zedong was the leader who led the Chinese to a complete revolution
It is true that Mao Zedong made many mistakes and he had his own shortcomings, but without Mao Zedong there would be no modern China

Keep repeating the same line that they taught you. They must be watching.

By the way, I don't deny that China had a severe famine in 1960, but if you look up the FAO data on Chinese food production per capita in 1960, you will be shocked to find that it is exactly the same as India today

Yet, even after experiencing multiple droughts, we didnt have any major famines. Why? They Chinese were over-reporting grain production, and the distribution of food was extremely inefficient.

Such a large-scale man-made disaster is not a "mistake" but criminal negligence due to a god complex. It happens to most dictators.

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LX1111]

Keep repeating the same line that they taught you. They must be watching.


Yet, even after experiencing multiple droughts, we didnt have any major famines. Why? They Chinese were over-reporting grain production, and the distribution of food was extremely inefficient.

Such a large-scale man-made disaster is not a "mistake" but criminal negligence due to a god complex. It happens to most dictators.

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So thanks to India being a tropical country, India has enough sugar to make up for the caloric gap of insufficient food production, while China cannot
By the way, many people cite the death toll of 20 to 30 million on Wikipedia, which is calculated by subtracting the actual population from the projected population growth rate. If you use this algorithm, then the United States will also die 10 million people in the COVID-19 pandemic

Keep repeating the same line that they taught you. They must be watching

Suit yourself. Our country has its own leaders and heroes. To lead our nation to rejuvenation, it is important that Mao Zedong's revolution represents workers and peasants, not businesspeople, nobles and officials

Yet, even after experiencing multiple droughts, we didnt have any major famines. Why? They Chinese were over-reporting grain production, and the distribution of food was extremely inefficient.

Such a large-scale man-made disaster is not a "mistake" but criminal negligence due to a god complex. It happens to most dictators

But I'm still curious, 240 kilograms per person, can food production really feed most people,？？？even if India is tropical, Even though there's a lot of sugar in the Indian diet,
For example, you can see how backward food production is in India. India produces 2.5 tons of rice per hectare and China produces 6.9 tons of rice per hectare

Stuffed Granaries and Empty Stomachs: Hunger in India - South Asia @ LSE

India ranks amongst countries where hunger is widespread even with high agricultural yield. Ubaid Sidique outlines how despite several government and private welfare initiatives, chronic structural flaws alongside corruption and the impact of global events is hindering India's aim of achieving...

blogs.lse.ac.uk

I think the LSE article is very instructive
690 million people go to bed hungry, including 189.2 million in India.

 

[Ashwin]

So thanks to India being a tropical country, India has enough sugar to make up for the caloric gap of insufficient food production, while China cannot
By the way, many people cite the death toll of 20 to 30 million on Wikipedia, which is calculated by subtracting the actual population from the projected population growth rate. If you use this algorithm, then the United States will also die 10 million people in the COVID-19 pandemic

Then how come such a large-scale famine didn't happen before? After the civil war and unification, it should have been easier to manage, right? Why did the opposite happen? Was it due to a criminal level of incompetence by the party?

But I'm still curious, 240 kilograms per person, can food production really feed most people,？？？even if India is tropical, Even though there's a lot of sugar in the Indian diet,
For example, you can see how backward food production is in India. India produces 2.5 tons of rice per hectare and China produces 6.9 tons of rice per hectare

I thought we were talking about Mao.

Suit yourself. Our country has its own leaders and heroes. To lead our nation to rejuvenation, it is important that Mao Zedong's revolution represents workers and peasants, not businesspeople, nobles and officials

Ya sure, with such heroes, history will repeat itself.

 

[LX1111]

I thought we were talking about Mao

We are talking about Mao Zedong, why is there a huge gap in food production between China and India? Food production is not a sixth generation fighter, there is no technical content, I think the most important point, Rural China is a cooperative system of individual farmers, each farmer has roughly the same amount of land, but India is different. The Indian countryside still retains the feudal landlord and tenant organization form, China's rural cooperative system is obviously more efficient than India's feudal system
Mao Zedong guaranteed that every peasant had his own land, which was unique in Chinese history. Mao Zedong was loved by most of the peasants

Then how come such a large-scale famine didn't happen before? After the civil war and unification, it should have been easier to manage, right? Why did the opposite happen? Was it due to a criminal level of incompetence by the party?

before 1949, China was experiencing a large number of disasters every year
Let's take the data from 1940 to 1949
In Henan Province,, the lowest number of famine deaths that can be confirmed in 1942 was 3 million, and from 1946 to 1948, no fewer than 5 million people died from famine in some provinces of southern China.

 

[LX1111]

Ya sure, with such heroes, history will repeat itself

It is because of heroes like this that I can tell my Indian friends that China's per capita grain production is now 480 kilograms, twice that of India, and China ranks first in the world in hunger index, while India ranks 107th, so I wonder how many people in India are still struggling to avoid hunger.

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[Ashwin]

We are talking about Mao Zedong, why is there a huge gap in food production between China and India?

In Mao's time? You only just said there is no gap.

before 1949, China was experiencing a large number of disasters every year
Let's take the data from 1940 to 1949
In Henan Province,, the lowest number of famine deaths that can be confirmed in 1942 was 3 million, and from 1946 to 1948, no fewer than 5 million people died from famine in some provinces of southern China.

You didn't answer the question. It must have been easier to organize after the civil war, but the magnitude of the famine increased tenfold. Who is at fault?

It is because of heroes like this that I can tell my Indian friends that China's per capita grain production is now 480 kilograms, twice that of India, and China ranks first in the world in hunger index, while India ranks 107th, so I wonder how many people in India are still struggling to avoid hunger.
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I thought western rankings are all propaganda. Anyway, its nutrition index, as determined by a survey, has nothing to do with hunger. Come back to the topic of Mao which you only started.

 

[LX1111]

In Mao's time? You only just said there is no gap

I mean simply that the rural system established for China under Mao Zedong ensured that agricultural production in China today is far better than India

You didn't answer the question. It must have been easier to organize after the civil war, but the magnitude of the famine increased tenfold. Who is at fault?

Can you give the data of the famine in China before 1949 and the data of the famine in China from 1960 to 1963? If you can't, then your comparison is unfounded

I thought western rankings are all propaganda. Anyway, its nutrition index, as determined by a survey, has nothing to do with hunger. Come back to the topic of Mao which you only started.

Is 240 kg of grain per person enough to feed all Indians? This figure is the same as the Chinese famine in 1960, and that is my question.
Note that this figure for China is not released by the Chinese government, but by the FAO survey

 

[Ashwin]

Mao Zedong guaranteed that every peasant had his own land, which was unique in Chinese history.

How is this statement true? Didn't Mao transition to collective farming? Private ownership of land is still not permitted.

Mao Zedong was loved by most of the peasants

Yes, people love him because he took over their land to be run by cooperatives.

 

[LX1111]

Come back to the topic of Mao which you only starte

We are talking about Mao Zedong, why is there a huge gap in food production between China and India? Food production is not a sixth generation fighter, there is no technical content, I think the most important point, Rural China is a cooperative system of individual farmers, each farmer has roughly the same amount of land, but India is different. The Indian countryside still retains the feudal landlord and tenant organization form, China's rural cooperative system is obviously more efficient than India's feudal system
Mao Zedong guaranteed that every peasant had his own land, which was unique in Chinese history. Mao Zedong was loved by most of the peasants

Mao laid the foundation for China to lead India, I mean as simple as that

How is this statement true? Didn't Mao transition to collective farming? Private ownership of land is still not permitted.


Yes, people love him because he took over their land to be run by cooperatives.

That's the problem. It's one thing to distribute land to every farmer. It's another to set up collective co-operatives. You can build massive water conservancy, rehabilitate and reorganize farmland, Every Chinese county now has many Mao-era reservoirs and aqueducts, an important support for China's agricultural lead over India

 

[Ashwin]

Can you give the data of the famine in China before 1949 and the data of the famine in China from 1960 to 1963? If you can't, then your comparison is unfounded

You just gave the comparison in the last post itself.

Let's take the data from 1940 to 1949
In Henan Province,, the lowest number of famine deaths that can be confirmed in 1942 was 3 million, and from 1946 to 1948, no fewer than 5 million people died from famine in some provinces of southern China.

Here is from the wiki propaganda source:

List of famines in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's the problem. It's one thing to distribute land to every farmer. It's another to set up collective co-operatives. You can build massive water conservancy, rehabilitate and reorganize farmland, Every Chinese county now has many Mao-era reservoirs and aqueducts, an important support for China's agricultural lead over India

So, your earlier statement was wrong correct?

 

[LX1111]

Yes, people love him because he took over their land to be run by cooperatives.

It is far better to leave it in the hands of a co-operative than a landlord

You just gave the comparison in the last post itself.

Here is from the wiki propaganda source:

List of famines in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This data is obviously wrong, there is no data for the severe famine that occurred in southern China from 1946 to 1948, and the data for Henan in 1942 is also wrong,

 

[Ashwin]

Note that this figure for China is not released by the Chinese government, but by the FAO survey

This data is obviously wrong, there is no data for the severe famine that occurred in southern China from 1946 to 1948, and the data for Henan in 1942 is also wrong,

So, we should take your word on all "Data"?

 

[LX1111]

So, your earlier statement was wrong correct?

I do not think I am wrong in saying that, while we are discussing here, what has happened to food in India?

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[Ashwin]

I do not think I am wrong in saying that, while we are discussing here, what has happened to food in India?

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Nope, stick to the topic. We are discussing Mao's china. Dont quote propaganda sources when it suites you.

Mao Zedong guaranteed that every peasant had his own land, which was unique in Chinese history.

This statement true or not?

 

[LX1111]

So, we should take your word on all "Data"?

Just as I am not obligated to tell you how many fighter jets China has, I am not obligated to convince you, you have to believe me, after all, at this moment, 200 million people are struggling for food, while you are here arguing for the so-called national honor of India with a country that produces twice as many as you

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Nope, stick to the topic. We are discussing Mao's china. Dont quote propaganda sources when it suites you

I think I've made it clear that you don't have to be unreasonable here to distract people from the focus of hunger in India, China leads India in food production because of the Mao-era agricultural-rural system and massive agricultural infrastructure

 

[Ashwin]

Just as I am not obligated to tell you how many fighter jets China has, I am not obligated to convince you, you have to believe me

So, basically. Even for history you dont have anything to back your claims. One can understand why military related things can be secretive but man never questioned your own history? You just believe everything that party told you. Thats just pathetic way to cope.