People's Liberation Army Air Force : News & Discussions

Indianhawk

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I will be amazed that after indicting mk1a,mwf,rafale ,super sukhoi what fake superiority will porkis have with their 3.5 gen jf17 and older f16. what lame strategy they will make to satisfy their fake ego.

They are dreaming of su35 and j31 and how they will have their own stealth jet. Not to mention overhyping the pl12/pl15 missiles. They are a delusional bunch. No waking them up.
 

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It is part of nasam air defense system which we are going to buy.
Nah but if we want to integrate it on the Tejas the Americans might not have any problem. Since the amraam d is only sold to the bug five the most modern is the c7 and I don't think they will have any problems integrating on the tejas
 

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Dual-Rack Pylons

Won't give it enough range though, the drag will be tremendous. And in our operating environment, operating from Tibet will make it even worse due to the altitude restrictions.

Just a desperate attempt to seem viable so that they can enter the export market, nothing more.
 
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If J 11 are also using an AESA than MKI is in big trouble. J 11 along with J 16, SU 35 will be a headache for IAF if we don't upgrade our SU 30 with an AESA soon.
@Gautam any information regarding Chinese AESA?
 
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Nikhil

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Chinese AESA equipped J 16 Vs SU 35 according to Chinese.
The SU-35 serves as an excellent benchmark for the Chinese military to gauge the effectiveness of their own development vs international standards.
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Su-35 is very maneuverable, possibly the most maneuverable fighter in the PLAAF
.The N035E is an excellent PESA radar. It's pretty much the best PESA radar you can practically develop.
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However, it's substantially weaker than the current generation of Chinese AESAs.
- The N035E radar has some interesting features, for example it is capable of detecting a target at extended ranges (350km) if it's only required to scan a small area (about the size of the HUD). This is not particularly useful without AWACs cueing.
ESM/ECM systems are not as good as the J-16s. If the J16 were to be rated a 10/10, the Su-35 would be an 8.5/10 on ESM and 8/10 on ECM performance.
The IRST is also worse, due to the state of the Russian electronics/optics industry
- The Su-35 has an interesting feature, the "БОСЭС" or "Duel" which, if programmed with the capability of the opposing fighter, can automatically track the enemy in real time and recommend optimized decisions.
It presents a good look into the Russian understanding of air combat modeling - and China may seek to do something similar for their 5th generation fights. (Coupled with advances in Chinese AI technology).
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- The 117S engine is very good. It has 13% more dry thrust than the older AL-31F, which is already superior to the domestic WS-10.
The officer's dream heavy 4.5th generation fighter would be a J-16 with 117S engines.
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- The N035E's look-up range is only slightly more than the J-16 radar's look-down range, and the former is not as effective as the latter in anti-surface mode
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- The '8.5' and '8.0' scores refer to the Su-35's sensing and EW capabilities respectively assuming the J-16's are set at '10' for both
- The weapons package of the Su-35 is not particularly impressive
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- The KS-172, even if imported, wouldn't compare favourably with China's own VLRAAM
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- Strike munitions of the Su-35 deal are upgraded versions of the same munitions procured as part of the Su-30 deals almost twenty years ago and there is limited value in what can learnt from them
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- The Su-35 has the S-108 datalink which allows up to sixteen aircraft to share fire-control data allowing one aircraft to guide the missiles fired by other aircraft similar to CEC
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- The datalink capability was already available for the Su-30 but owing to the relatively weak performance of the N001VE radar, the capability wasn't very useful and the PLA declined to include it
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- Upgrading Su-35s to use domestic systems is more difficult than upgrading Su-27s and Su-30s due to the former's integrated system architecture compared to the latter
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Extensive Russian assistance is necessary to conduct upgrades of systems without screwing everything up, hence the Su-35 deal is called "Sino-Russo Su-35 Cooperation Project" -- it's not just a simple export-import deal
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Aircraft no. 61271 began test flights at Zhukovsky Airfield after handover to the PLA, suggesting those were post-upgrade system integration tests
 

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This Rare Cockpit Video Of Chinese Fighter Pilots Dogfighting Offers Unique Insights
In-cockpit footage of actual air combat training always makes great viewing, however, a new video offers rare insight into Chinese fighter operations making it even more engaging. This intense clip posted online by China’s People’s Daily newspaper shows People’s Liberation Army Air Force pilots turning and burning in Chengdu J-10 multi-role fighters.

The full version of the video can be seen here. Without the overdubbed music, the English communications are easy to hear.






The People’s Daily Twitter post states: “The Northern Theater Command brigade in the video is known for its notable combat record, having shot down or damaged 67 warplanes in the Korean War against the US.”

The full video seems to include some stock footage, but the main in-cockpit sequences appear to have been shot from inside two-seat J-10AS variants, the combat-capable training version of the original J-10A. This would indicate that the aircraft depicted are from the 34th Air Brigade based at Qihe, in Shandong province. This base comes under China’s Northern Theater Command (NTC) and is home to the 34th Air Brigade, which is the only unit equipped with both the J-10A and AS versions within this command.

One of the most interesting aspects of the footage is that it apparently confirms Chinese fighter pilots use English to communicate in these kinds of engagements, unless the words have been overdubbed on the footage. It has long been thought that PLAAF fighter pilots use English, but it has never been officially confirmed.

The pilots in this clip use radio callsigns “Jaeger 1 and 2” and common air combat language, such as “tally,” which means they have made visual contact with the other aircraft, and "Fox 2" which means firing a close-range heat-seeking missile.

Also of note in the video is the overlay of a situational display and head-up display, albeit with some critical information being obscured. In addition, a forward-facing camera has the aircraft’s main console similarly obscured.

All told, even in this short clip, there is plenty of interesting information to be observed, as well as some good old-fashioned air-to-air adrenaline and exuberance as J-10 pilots train together and hone their “dogfighting” skills.


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