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STEPHEN COHEN said:
How many times they are going to Move Artillery Guns

And you can use SAAW again and again

The best advantage of SAAW is its range , that means even slow moving aircraft like HAWK with a large Ferry Range can be very useful

For example a Hawk can cover entire border from Punjab to Jammu

All it needs is precise information about Enemy Artillery

During War , they will bring the Artillery to at least 30 KM away from Border

And SAAW with a range of 100 KM can be very useful

Otherwise you have to use PINAKA Or SMERCH
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Mobile units constantly move. Some even fire while moving. Detecting and tracking these units requires you to get very close. Even the Phalcon detects tanks only from 50Km away.
 
Valhalla said:
But the problem with the services is they never target "minimum capabilities". If their perspective could be changed that's eminently desirable. For long we have suffered from brochure driven requirements.

Once you have something, you can work on it to make it better, otherwise nothing would have moved out of the garage or lab stage in this world.
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If you deliver them capabilities that achieve minimum requirements, they will accept it. Our industry couldn't do that for a very long time.

Valhalla said:
We have an even bigger history of not doing it.
IA: INSAS
IAF: Marut (Tejas Mk1 would have also gone the same way with a full stop at 40 if not for the 1A variant)
IN: Type 209 (SoKo incidentally offering us their take on the same via KSS-III for P75I), Scorpenes
.. and on and on and on

Among the quoted examples
Arjun- DOA even though conforming to IA GSQR, 118 Mk1A is nothing but a consolation prize
LCA Mk1- almost died
Pinaka- iterated rather slowly otherwise there should not have been room for a Smerch import into IA
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Arjun and LCA Mk1 did not meet minimum specs, but were still inducted. Their Mk1A forms come somewhere close. Pinaka is OFB's fault, they failed at making the rockets and held the program at ransom for nearly 2 decades, until they allowed the private sector to make the rockets.

Look, all these points are solely to nitpick. If the industry meets SQRs, the forces will line up to buy.

Valhalla said:
That is just a lucky happenstance- probably also the reason for the oft repeated "the two great civilizations never fought a war in many millennia". But there's 1962 & it did not go well for us. All the fancy shpanzy hardware is fine- but China is not Pakistan and since we don't have settled borders there is always chance for a conflagration. Given their deep strength in manufacturing they can take our blows and keep coming back- can't say the same for us.

I was talking from the PoV of MoD and the services who have to plan for defending against China. We will have to match their MIC- no amount of imports even cheap imports from Russia can prepare us against them.
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For the kind of war we are expected to fight, the MIC is largely irrelevant. They need to fight with what they have today, so do we, 'cause it's only going to be fought for a month or two. War has to go on for many, many years for the MIC to come into play, like WW2, Vietnam War etc. And due to nukes, our economies will not be able to sustain such long term wars anyway.
 
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China also had access to GHN45 design and licence produced that gun. Same which Bharat Forge now has.

The same gun found its way on Chinese 155mm SPH. That was improved to fire laser guided rounds and later plc181 or SH15 was conceived.

It's major capability is to fire rocket assisted laser guided Ammunition. Not nuclear devices. Click bait.
 
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