Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

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I have no qualms about articulation. I feel the entire thing was unnecessary especially when the IAF itself is keeping mum on operational details. He got taken for a ride and nobody stopped it. That's the problem.
Maybe he just took a spur of the moment decision and cocked it up. That said, as India's top man in uniform, he should have been more careful.

Can't imagine why someone from MEA didn't intervene/review the footage. Their people are especially trained in handling situations like these.

For example, press secretaries (like America's Caroline Levitt, for example) can effortlessly talk a lot without really answering the question at all. The CDS could have been briefed/coached beforehand imo.
 
On the alternatives to 7th May that armchair critics have been suggesting,

A Scalp missile fired from a `safe' distance of 150km from the target, travelling at Mach 0.8 will take almost 10 mins to reach the target.
That is enough time for Pak to calculate the likely target, empty it and attempt to intercept the missile.
Russia shoots down or spoofs around 80% of Storm shadow/Scalp missiles fired by Ukraine, because Ukraine fires from extreme range,
unwilling to risk the loss of aircraft. We accepted the trade-off of probably losing X aircraft for Y terrorists.
War is a series of such cold blooded calculations.

SEAD: It's not as if you can press a button and lo and behold SEAD is done. The moment you attempt it, it is an act of war and the enemy
knows you are going to try something. We did SEAD on the 8th and 9th, but even then, none of our aircraft could risk crossing the border.
We were only able to degrade Pak air defences enough to get some missiles and drones to hit fixed locations.
Russia has not been able to supress Ukrainian air defences after 3 years. Pak, trying saturation attacks on a local area, was similarly unable
to achieve SEAD.
 
I'm trying to figure out why CDS spoke to the media - giving him and the govt the benefit of doubt.

The Pak CDS equivalent was also at the meet. So were 4 star generals from important countries. All of them by now, know who lost what.
Rather than avoid the media and hand the floor unopposed to the Pak general, he spoke. Imagine the media coverage if he didn't-
`India's CDS refused to take questions/ admit the truth, while Pak was open' ). Or a NATO general saying we lost aircraft.

I think in the context of the event's participants, CDS had to come across as a professional soldier, looking at losses the way any commander
would. In the context, of my previous post, he's saying to the world `We knew there will be losses, we accepted that as part of the mission
and learnt from mistakes, making the mission and its aftermath a success'. I have not heard the Pak general's interview but in the sound-byte
he was unprofessional, to say the least - next time the escalation will be much more is the last thing the International community wants to hear.
CDS was talking to his peers. His Pak counterpart, to his countrymen.
 
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Very rarely in India does anyone in higher positions face consequences due to what they say & how they say it in public. Rest assured, there will be no sacking of the CDS.

More so in this case, because any such action will distract from the fact that we obtained absolute escalation dominance in the conflict, and will play into the Pak narrative that they 'won', cuz victorious military leaders aren't sacked, defeated ones do (unless they happen to be the de-facto head of state, in which case they get promoted to Field Marshall).

What is likely to happen to Gen. Chauhan is that there will be no extension to his tenure, under any circumstance. That's about it.
 
On the alternatives to 7th May that armchair critics have been suggesting,

A Scalp missile fired from a `safe' distance of 150km from the target, travelling at Mach 0.8 will take almost 10 mins to reach the target.
That is enough time for Pak to calculate the likely target, empty it and attempt to intercept the missile.
Russia shoots down or spoofs around 80% of Storm shadow/Scalp missiles fired by Ukraine, because Ukraine fires from extreme range,
unwilling to risk the loss of aircraft. We accepted the trade-off of probably losing X aircraft for Y terrorists.
War is a series of such cold blooded calculations.

SEAD: It's not as if you can press a button and lo and behold SEAD is done. The moment you attempt it, it is an act of war and the enemy
knows you are going to try something. We did SEAD on the 8th and 9th, but even then, none of our aircraft could risk crossing the border.
We were only able to degrade Pak air defences enough to get some missiles and drones to hit fixed locations.
Russia has not been able to supress Ukrainian air defences after 3 years. Pak, trying saturation attacks on a local area, was similarly unable
to achieve SEAD.

Russia failed to develop modern standoff air-launched SEAD/DEAD capabilities in time. We had the same sort of holes in the MKI, but was corrected with Israeli tech. The Russian SEAD/DEAD plan was based on using the Su-34 from close range, sadly for them, radar tech had caught up much earlier than that. Their next gen SEAD/DEAD was meant to come in with the Su-57 + drone family, but that was delayed by 5 years, just not in time for Ukraine.

We were in the same boat as the Russians between 2010 and 2015, awaiting upgrades for the M2000 and MKI while Jaguar was delayed.

As for the Americans, ironically, overreliance on stealth has made it a single point of failure, so they are in the same boat as the Russians today. So they have gone back to the drawing board. They are now sticking whatever they can on the F-35, even if externally, for SEAD/DEAD, while awaiting the deployment of the NGAD. Those using American tech without stealth, like the Saudis, are struggling against even modest ADS like in Yemen. Even the Americans have somewhat struggled in Yemen, their bombing campaign failed too.

The British have effectively abandoned the SEAD/DEAD mission to the Americans when it comes to joint ops.

And the French currently do not possess SEAD at all, although they have focused on DEAD.

Funny to note that the only countries with reliable SEAD/DEAD today are Israel and India (thanks to Israeli weapons). And maybe China, though unproven.

Btw...
We were only able to degrade Pak air defences enough to get some missiles and drones to hit fixed locations.

That's a lot harder to achieve. We demonstrated the ability to conduct SEAD/DEAD with surgical precision instead of saturating defenses like the Americans and British, or the Russians.
 
Very rarely in India does anyone in higher positions face consequences due to what they say & how they say it in public. Rest assured, there will be no sacking of the CDS.

More so in this case, because any such action will distract from the fact that we obtained absolute escalation dominance in the conflict, and will play into the Pak narrative that they 'won', cuz victorious military leaders aren't sacked, defeated ones do (unless they happen to be the de-facto head of state, in which case they get promoted to Field Marshall).

What is likely to happen to Gen. Chauhan is that there will be no extension to his tenure, under any circumstance. That's about it.
I feel there is some reason why CDS make those statements in that manner. I mean why should we glorify Rafale and France when they refuse to share their source code with us? This is a multidimensional game .
 

Pakistan is rattled and their military can't digest what has happened. As their PM has said that Pakistan was to launch a preemptive strike on India but rather surprised by India with Brahmos, from this language I would conclude that next time timing will be crucial. They want to do what India did to them.

Cold start is real now. India has to get it's assets built at home and deployed for quick replacement in case of damage. This jet engine issue is a very serious issue. Other than that expansion of production line is very important. One must not rely only on one vendor.
 

Narrative war is always lost in long term. No one remembers the short term news. In long term every one will come to know how Pakistan was lying to it's population and world. This will not only degrade Pakistan's legitimacy but also trouble them in future when they go for FDI and other investments. Nothing can be trusted what their leaders say or what they show to the world.

MNCs must be very cautious before investing in Pakistan.
 
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Wonder if there is a Place for a Growlerski or a Growfale Dedicated EW platform given this will be the norm going forward? @randomradio ?

As a dedicated unit, not on fighters but on bigger jets; more antennas, more processing, more power, more crew, more persistence. We are interested in 7 SIGINT jets with 5 for SIGINT + jamming. The other 2 are for NTRO.

Our EW requirements are similar to the USAF's Compass Call. Their new one's on Gulfstream G550 called EA-37B, 5 out of 10 delivered. Ours will be on A321s.

As for tactical fighters, the MKI carries the centerline SAP-14 L band jammer, although it may have been compromised in Ukraine. There's a new Israeli Scorpius SJ jammer, we bought the self-protection version for LCA Mk1A, so let's see if SJ will join our fleet too, if not already. It's unclear if we have an indigenous program for a pod yet, DRDO has the tech though, considering the SIGINT program.

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The IAF is also looking to equip the C-130J with standalone jammer pods, which might be transferrable with our future MTA program.

Escort jamming at higher bands is provided by the SPJs themselves.

IN lacks dedicated jamming aircraft. It's ship-based along with a new Belarussian SPJ on Mig-29K.
 
I feel there is some reason why CDS make those statements in that manner. I mean why should we glorify Rafale and France when they refuse to share their source code with us? This is a multidimensional game .

Not the place for it, but this source codes thing for Rafales is exaggerated. The order size is too small for independent integration of Indian weapons. I doubt it was even pursued seriously durign MRCBF negotiations.

Right now, Astra Mk1 and SAAW are being integrated on the aircraft, both began last year. So the source code request is a long term objective. If there's a second stopgap deal in the works, they could push for it then.
 
The IAF is also looking to equip the C-130J with standalone jammer pods, which might be transferrable with our future MTA program.
Under DTTI, there were plans to jointly develop a roll-on, roll-off Elint system for IAF C-130Js + an unspecified type of air-launched UAV. Probably scrapped like many other initiatives, including 2 Raytheon ISTAR/AGS. We now have IDDM progs for all of these.
 
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Not the place for it, but this source codes thing for Rafales is exaggerated. The order size is too small for independent integration of Indian weapons. I doubt it was even pursued seriously durign MRCBF negotiations.

It is not exaggerated, Kota Harinarayan who was the chief designer of LCA Tejas has already mentioned that the source code issue is genuine. And not just source code, during negotiations when India talks about ToT, the counterpart discourages it and offers total outsource instead of indigenous development in India.
 
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My biggest question , has Pakistani generals never tested Chinese weapon? Has not found any glitch. Or its organizational corruption? What will happen to their missile inventory , full replacement? Also Pakistan has to display precision with their hit. Precision parameter of Pakistani weapons still in water. No one knows.
Well, they do, but the thing is that do they have options? Whenever they see a better option, they go for it. For example, they saw that a full-on Infantry battle would not take place in the near future, so they delayed their Attack helicopter to wait for the Turkish copter rather than adopting the Chinese option. The same goes for all the Projects where they had options.
 
Not the place for it, but this source codes thing for Rafales is exaggerated. The order size is too small for independent integration of Indian weapons. I doubt it was even pursued seriously durign MRCBF negotiations.

Right now, Astra Mk1 and SAAW are being integrated on the aircraft, both began last year. So the source code request is a long term objective. If there's a second stopgap deal in the works, they could push for it then.
If news about the IN initially requesting for Uttam on Rafale-Ms is true, source code negotiations have likely been at a fairly advanced stage already. But France has always been uneasy about integrating local/third-party systems to its hardware. For eg, DA wasn't happy when we chose to fit Litening over Damocles LDP to M2000 during Kargil.
 
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