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That was a sackable interview by CDS.
If the interview was not approved by GoI he should actually be sacked.
This has really been a huge *censored*up media wise from the start.
We should not have allowed to get this put of hand. We should have just released we lost x aircraft casually.
This stance that we dont want to release number as this provides advantage to Pak is absurd.

In media domain *censored*up at many many levels.
 
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The people who are most upset are the ones who believed their own lies.

It was far too obvious that we lost a few aircraft, but some just blindly believe there can be no wrong by "our" airforce.

And another tent came up with an even more innovative approach. What's the point of counting crashes?! as if they are irrelevant details.

This information warfare and stuff are relevant when missiles are flying, not after both teams are celebrating victory. It's time to analyze what went wrong and fix issues for the future.
 
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Tatvamasi said:
. It's time to analyze what went wrong and fix issues for the future.
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As long as bureaucratic babufied military leadership continue indulging in virtue signaling and pushing Gandhian ahimsa ideology like some kind of vishwaguru churan down everyone’s throat, nothing will fundamentally change. SEAD/DEAD operations should have been executed from the outset. While we did manage to hit our target successfully, it likely came at the cost of losing a ₹2,300 crore frontline fighter jet. But at least we got to witness a display of Nari Shokti empowerment at the MEA briefing following the successful Operation.
 
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Shan said:
The Foreign Affairs ministry should have sent someone to help navigate and manage the media interaction especially with state broadcasters and intl. media outlets that were outright hostile. If even that cannot be done, then hire a pvt. firm to do so. I assume nobody in India would have complained about the expense.
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This is the ADGPI's job. Why was the cds involved? Was the air chief involved before doing this interview? Absolute mismanagement.
 
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He repeats twice" "what is important is why they went down". This is India's highest military commander speaking at a high profile international event to an international outlet with known anti-India bias. He wants everyone to ask what the tactical error he and Indian Air Force is talking about.

It's deliberate.

What's his (and therefore, India's) plan here?
 
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He repeats twice" "what is important is why they went down". This is India's highest military commander speaking at a high profile international event to an international outlet with known anti-India bias. He wants everyone to ask what the tactical error he and Indian Air Force is talking about.

It's deliberate.

What's his (and therefore, India's) plan here?
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Thats not an issue here. Issue is commenting on this matter at all. Issue is taking this interview in Singapore. Those are the issues.
 
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14 ships, one mole: How a young engineer exposed Indian naval warships' locations to Pakistani operatives

A junior engineer from Thane, Maharashtra, has been arrested for allegedly leaking restricted information about 14 Indian Navy warships and submarines to Pakistani Intelligence Operatives. Ravi Verma, 27, reportedly shared the data through sketches, audio notes, and chats, after being...
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This is a recurring theme... I have one solution to this... For all the army personnels and defence contractors, we need to create massive number of fake accounts controlled by AI which acts and chats and talks like an Indian, even video can be generated and fed. Let Pakistani agents wade through this mass cloud of BS to reach actual employees.

Also all defence contractors and personnels should be forced to delete and recreate their facebooks and other SM accounts.

It is my belief that IAF should have communicated losses on May 12th itself. Also Modi should distance himself from USA and Trump for coming 4 years. Let him put trade tariffs etc, hit them elsewhere. Charge them very high fee for using our ports for port calls, stop supplying them pharama and diversify elsewhere. Also ban every American social media in India for the time being.
 
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Gentlemen ,I was thinking that there is some kind of Tensions going on in the Security Establishment

First Air chief ranted against DPSUs and MOD

And Now CDS goes on about Tactical Mistakes

It appears that CDS is blaming Rules of Engagement framed by
NSA or Defence Secretary or PMO

Some body must have Blamed IAF for Losses and and IAF wanted CDS to defend them

I remember LONG back ie in
Man Mohan Singh's time
IAF lost a C 130 while practicing low level flying in Hills and Valleys for commando operations
and PMO and MOD said
IAF was " Frittering Away Precious Assets "

That had led to a lot of heartburn
 
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Tatvamasi said:
The people who are most upset are the ones who believed their own lies.

It was far too obvious that we lost a few aircraft, but some just blindly believe there can be no wrong by "our" airforce.

And another tent came up with an even more innovative approach. What's the point of counting crashes?! as if they are irrelevant details.

This information warfare and stuff are relevant when missiles are flying, not after both teams are celebrating victory. It's time to analyze what went wrong and fix issues for the future.
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I was one who said counting crashes was irrelevant in the larger scheme of things (achieving our objective of hitting terror infrastructure and
responding to Pak's reaction). We lost 3 aircraft in Kargil, all due to tactical errors. Were they relevant ?
We also lost 21 fighter aircraft between Balakot and Pahalgam, to peacetime crashes.

However, I have also said (in my blog) that the IAF would have gone into the operation with the expectation that there would be losses.
Probable losses would be at a level where the political leadership approved the operation. Pak's assumption was that their air defences would deer us from mounting this Op.
There is no country that reveals hardware losses during an operation, unless the enemy is certain what they are. We should have discussed if we achieved the objectives and what the human cost was (which we did). That should have been the line taken by DGMO & CDS.

I agree the CDS interview was poor optics and as he said, we need an information warfare cell in the armed forces.
That said, we should have had a confidential briefing on the operation, for the opposition and select media and announced a review of the whole operation with lessons learnt - before CDS' interview.
 
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Deans_50 said:
I was one who said counting crashes was irrelevant in the larger scheme of things (achieving our objective of hitting terror infrastructure and
responding to Pak's reaction). We lost 3 aircraft in Kargil, all due to tactical errors. Were they relevant ?
We also lost 21 fighter aircraft between Balakot and Pahalgam, to peacetime crashes.

However, I have also said (in my blog) that the IAF would have gone into the operation with the expectation that there would be losses.
Probable losses would be at a level where the political leadership approved the operation. Pak's assumption was that their air defences would deer us from mounting this Op.
There is no country that reveals hardware losses during an operation, unless the enemy is certain what they are. We should have discussed if we achieved the objectives and what the human cost was (which we did). That should have been the line taken by DGMO & CDS.

I agree the CDS interview was poor optics and as he said, we need an information warfare cell in the armed forces.
That said, we should have had a confidential briefing on the operation, for the opposition and select media and announced a review of the whole operation with lessons learnt - before CDS' interview.
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When the country's worst enemy is the Opposition, the govt can't reveal operational details to them. That information will promptly reach the enemy too.

Whether the CDS admitted to the losses or was just misunderstood is irrelevant to the operation as a whole. The issue is the Opposition waiting for the chance to ruin things for the country as usual.

The military needs to understand that the public does not understand strategy and tactics, they only understand things like physical loss in that realm, like what we see in Ukraine. In cricket, Kohli's duck out isn't the end of the world, but that experience has not percolated into strategy. So the simpler, inexperienced mind only views war through material losses.

Not referring to the CDS here, but the govt can't do anything about people infected with foot-in-mouth disease either.
 
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Saaho said:
economictimes.indiatimes.com

14 ships, one mole: How a young engineer exposed Indian naval warships' locations to Pakistani operatives

A junior engineer from Thane, Maharashtra, has been arrested for allegedly leaking restricted information about 14 Indian Navy warships and submarines to Pakistani Intelligence Operatives. Ravi Verma, 27, reportedly shared the data through sketches, audio notes, and chats, after being...
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com

This is a recurring theme... I have one solution to this... For all the army personnels and defence contractors, we need to create massive number of fake accounts controlled by AI which acts and chats and talks like an Indian, even video can be generated and fed. Let Pakistani agents wade through this mass cloud of BS to reach actual employees.

Also all defence contractors and personnels should be forced to delete and recreate their facebooks and other SM accounts.

It is my belief that IAF should have communicated losses on May 12th itself. Also Modi should distance himself from USA and Trump for coming 4 years. Let him put trade tariffs etc, hit them elsewhere. Charge them very high fee for using our ports for port calls, stop supplying them pharama and diversify elsewhere. Also ban every American social media in India for the time being.
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All pvt contractors, and PSU employees working on sensitive national security projects must be put through psych evaluation every few years. They must be vetted by IB/NIA/military intelligence and not just local police.
 
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Deans_50 said:
I was one who said counting crashes was irrelevant in the larger scheme of things (achieving our objective of hitting terror infrastructure and
responding to Pak's reaction). We lost 3 aircraft in Kargil, all due to tactical errors. Were they relevant ?
We also lost 21 fighter aircraft between Balakot and Pahalgam, to peacetime crashes.

However, I have also said (in my blog) that the IAF would have gone into the operation with the expectation that there would be losses.
Probable losses would be at a level where the political leadership approved the operation. Pak's assumption was that their air defences would deer us from mounting this Op.
There is no country that reveals hardware losses during an operation, unless the enemy is certain what they are. We should have discussed if we achieved the objectives and what the human cost was (which we did). That should have been the line taken by DGMO & CDS.

I agree the CDS interview was poor optics and as he said, we need an information warfare cell in the armed forces.
That said, we should have had a confidential briefing on the operation, for the opposition and select media and announced a review of the whole operation with lessons learnt - before CDS' interview.
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To be fair to the CDS, it looks like this was an impromptu or unscripted interview (if there's such as thing as that!). Perhaps he'd have fared better if Bloomberg had given him a list of questions in advance like most media houses usually do for TV interviews. I've watched some of his other interviews. Seems to be quite articulate.
 
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Speedster1 said:
To be fair to the CDS, it looks like this was an impromptu or unscripted interview (if there's such as thing as that!). Perhaps he'd have fared better if Bloomberg had given him a list of questions in advance like most media houses usually do for TV interviews. I've watched some of his other interviews. Seems to be quite articulate.
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I have no qualms about articulation. I feel the entire thing was unnecessary especially when the IAF itself is keeping mum on operational details. He got taken for a ride and nobody stopped it. That's the problem.
 
Shan said:
This one is the best so far. I am surprised that it did not get views/reach on X.
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I read One Tweet on 7 th Morning amongst all the Chaos and excitement of 6th Night ...

that IAF had in 1971 war lost 19 planes on the First day

Yes they carried on hammering the Enemy and the final outcome is known to every one

Today for Pakistanis , Victory is
Just being alive to challenge and Hurt India again in future
 
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