Monsoon has limited impact in Rajasthan and Kashmir.
This isn’t Bangladesh full of rivers and swamps.
Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan
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This isn’t Bangladesh full of rivers and swamps.
I wanted to say more but this comes as a surprise.
"...Operations are still ongoing..."
My guess is, they remain in a heightened alert state and ISR assets are still at work to check for more possible ceasefire violations after India retaliated with drone strikes for last night's CFV.
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Anyway, just to get our thoughts in order as we begin the phase of analyzing how the air operations unfolded, I think one of the aspects that we need to pay particular attention to is the use of AESA-based seekers on the PL-15s, and how they must have affected the equation with SPECTRA's ability to jam/spoof incoming active-guidance threats.
We know that evading AIM-120C-5s with regular pulse-doppler seekers was not a problem for our aircraft even back in 2019, thanks in part to externally carried jammers like EL/L-8222. The internally carried SPECTRA suite was meant to provide a similar capability to the Rafale - but the advent of AESA seekers make matters complicated, as I had previously predicted:
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"...But even that will become difficult as missiles with 60+ TRM AESA seekers will become commonplace in the next decade. Unlike FCRs where the TRMs have to conduct multiple roles, an AAM seeker has only one job: maintain lock on the target no matter what. So they will be tailored with ECCMs of such frequency-agility that it becomes impossible to spoof them with a smaller transmitter with fewer TRMs (meaning less frequency-agility of your own, even if you somehow figure out their algorithm).
At that point, a lot of current-gen integrated SPJs (including Rafale's emitters) will become obsolete and aircraft that rely on them for self-protection will no longer be considered survivable as frontline fighters unless flying inside the bubble of a podded escort jammer. The key will be to evade detection entirely and obtain look-first/shoot-first so that the problem of dealing with these next-gen AAMs is for the enemy to figure out..."
Admittedly, at the time I was writing that, I had no idea that the PL-15 already had an AESA seeker. I thought the Chinese were yet to operationalize that technology. So I was off the mark on that part - they won't become a problem next decade, they've already become a problem NOW.
Now we need to see how this informs IAF decisions going forward. First, let's see what they disclose after winding up the operation.
PL-15 uses a GaN seeker. It was already known since 2017 or so.
It's very difficult for GaAs systems to defeat GaN.
Astra Mk2 will comfortably match PL-15. 160 km is the objective, like 80 km was for Astra Mk1.
At the distance involved, if we are talking about the Bathinda site, the Rafale likely crashed.
I think you are gonna be in for a surprise too.
To be fair, it was done with the assumption that the IAF will buy 72 more MKIs. But Brahmos NG ruined that plan. So don't fall for these feel-good narratives.
It seems there might be possible radiation leaks from Nur Khan and/or Kirana Hills storage sites.
This conflict is historic. Missile attacks on nuclear weapon storage sites!
Seems it'll be months if not years before the full picture emerges as to what happened.
Fun fact: Western defense experts for years said that IAF and PAF are equal powers. Even expert analysts on the Internet said any PAF vs IAF fight will see heavy losses on both sides.
Reality: This equal power with equal technologies thoroughly destroyed that equal power in just 48 hours.
The operation we conducted is going to be a must-study for all air warriors globally. It's going to be passed down in the history books of all military academies.
Too expensive for single-use purposes for now, it's still an emerging exotic tech.
welll I understand they clinically took out radars of PAF airbases to convey a message but maybe we should have gone higher on the threshold- there was no indication Pak was going to be reasonable.
@Hydra
You've been trashing Su-30MKI and other Russian wares since ages, but once again MKI proved itself as the ultimate Eagle of the sky and btw, did you hear IAF officially praising both Pechoras & SAMAR(R-27/R-73) for their stellar performance?
Suck it dude. MKI ROCKS!
Exactly. You can be sure you will see glowing praises for the Rafale once the IAF reveals all details.
The Rafale has consistently been flying without being detected over Pakistan.
Give me the kill count of mki
Most likely a condition put by Pak but a mistake IMO
The MKI's new EW suite is more modern than what's on the Rafale F3R/F4.
It'd be interesting to see if those MKIs were using SAP-518 or DRDO HBJ pods though. The Russian SAPs would have weighed down the already heavily-laden ac lugging the giant Brahmos-A. I'm guessing it might have been the latter.
I was banned from PDF because I said Muridke was going to be hit.
It was hit one day later......
2016 - kick the can down the road
2019 - kick the can down the road
2025 - kick the can down the road
Each time the threshold for violence comes down.
Besides “sending a message” no tangible outcome has been secured.
If the nuclear factor forced the US and India held back as a mature power “having made its point” what will be the outcome in future conflicts?
IWT is still suspended. If Leaderji does walk the talk and stops the water from Pak rivers as per IWT allocation. What happens then?
Sindoor was India putting down a rabid pet belonging to a hostile neighbour. Pak went apeshit in the escalation ladder.
Water will be an existential crisis for them. If Leaderji manages to not fold under pressure again we will again see conflict soon. The same script will play again. Pak gets belt treatment. Pak talks nukes. Do we let US step in and save Pak once more?
There were spectacular successes on the military front. But now diplomatic side (all the way to Leaderji) need to pull their weight.