Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

[Ashwin]

Exclusive: Navy Was Assigned Target Packages During Op Sindoor, Almost Hit Pak​

New Delhi:The Indian Navy fleet had been assigned their target packages, and were put on hot-standby to launch land-attack missiles at targets inside Pakistan on more than one occasion during Operation Sindoor.

The final orders to fire ultimately never came with sources telling NDTV, "the Navy stopped short of launching an attack on identified targets. This included Pakistan Navy ships and submarines in harbour and land-based targets." An all-out Naval attack would have marked a significant escalation in the military hostilities during Op Sindoor.

Targets inside Pakistan, including Pak Navy ships at Karachi harbour, would have been attacked with BrahMos missiles and submarine-fired land-attack cruise missiles, believed to be of the Klub series, which are integrated with India's Russian built 'Kilo' Class submarines. "Both warships and submarines were in position to launch anti-ship and land attack missiles."

 

[Defc0n]

they will keep increasing the stake to check to our redlines. Most of the time due economic or internal politics , we dont respond strongly.

They will always maintain the bluff & bluster , even if we grind them to the ground. Its their bread & butter, if they dont they will be eaten by their own proxies. Current ceasefire looks like a tacit unwritten understanding not to escalate further for the time being, it gives them a lot breathing space to replenish & get support from allies. Iran factor does seem to be pretty strong here as well, israel & US would have planned it long time back.

Iran was a factor for sure! The part that I am not entirely convinced by is the “time to replenish” given the amount of damage that was dealt. Can China provide them the goodies so fast where they are in a position to think about the next round already?

 

[Rajput Lion]

Guys;

War is no fun, and Pak has big military. 0.5 in India is dangerous. Let there be no war for next 20 years.

Modi also believes, it is not era of war.

India isn't a country that craves for war but when someone tries to mess with us, we know how to dismantle them. India vs Pak isn't just a war between two countries, rather a war between two cultures & two ideologies. It will continue until the whole subcontinent either turns green or saffron. It's a bitter truth, but a fact nonetheless. Slowly, our mindset is turning from defensive to offensive and frankly I like it.

 

[Shan]

At this point why not just list the salient aspects of the operation in a paper and publish it yourself. Leaks will do little to showcase the extent of preparation and execution of plans. They will not help create the narrative that India needs to present to the world as well as to its own citizens. I guess we will only see official takes when the operation itself ends (which can only be announced by MoD itself).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1938484977232158776

 

[RationalGuy]

Well well well, @Hellfire has spoken —

https://twitter.com/x/status/1938136163405156585

Now, I am sure that something’s up!

*Edit* — Added another tweet highlighting the WC handle!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1938190401648914635

Can't read Hindi, what is he saying

 

[redpanda]

Can't read Hindi, what is he saying

"Some cretins don't understand the word of reason, they deserve the language of force. The pot is filling, keep doing your antics, your time of getting beaten is again coming."

"We are preparing. And this time our preparation is heavier than last time."

In short we are expecting them to do something stupid. And are preparing for it.

 

[Herciv]

The main leason of that is that India was able to generate much more tactical stress and surprises by using together mki and rafale than only mki or rafale
We also know now Rafale has also scored 10 kills against pakistani fighters. Have you seen if mki has scored ?
What i like to know is how long could a war continue with only some bhramos or some scalp. Such munitions are very long to manafacture and you need tu use munitions that are much easier to make like bombs or hammer. If a conflict should happen with China having only bhramos or scalp would be dangerous.

 

[babablacksheep]

What i like to know is how long could a war continue with only some bhramos or some scalp

They are to be used against Pakistani high value targets, runways, depots, air defense radars etc at the start of war.
Once Pakistani air defense is significantly destroyed, cheaper weapons will be used.

And our armed forces have combined ~1500 brahmos in different varients.

 

[Herciv]

They are to be used against Pakistani high value targets, runways, depots, air defense radars etc at the start of war.
Once Pakistani air defense is significantly destroyed, cheaper weapons will be used.

And our armed forces have combined ~1500 brahmos in different varients.

Problem is not cheap or not cheap but how many and time to make them vs the same with your opponent. That's the lesson in Ukrain.

 

[babablacksheep]

Problem is not cheap or not cheap but how many and time to make them vs the same with your opponent.

And how is that a problem against pakistan?
Already Said, we have ~1500 brahmos in service, more than enough for pakistan.
Currently have capacity to biuld to ~150 brahmos a year.
Which in war times can easily be scales up to 300+ brahmos a years.
Even 500+ if military requires.

Plus it's not just brahmos, other cruise missiles, guided rockets, ballistic missiles etc are also there.

 

[Herciv]

And our armed forces have combined ~1500 brahmos in different varients.

Yes but how many can be used with Mki.

And how is that a problem against pakistan?

Pakistan isn't your single problem.

 

[Rajput Lion]

The main leason of that is that India was able to generate much more tactical stress and surprises by using together mki and rafale than only mki or rafale
We also know now Rafale has also scored 10 kills against pakistani fighters. Have you seen if mki has scored ?
What i like to know is how long could a war continue with only some bhramos or some scalp. Such munitions are very long to manafacture and you need tu use munitions that are much easier to make like bombs or hammer. If a conflict should happen with China having only bhramos or scalp would be dangerous.

10 air-to-air kills? At best only two. Yes, MKI also got air-to-air kills but kill count is not known.

 

[babablacksheep]

Yes but how many can be used with Mki.

Pakistan isn't your single problem.

Already told you these are for high value targets.


For china, we ain't matching them.
If your looking for a solution, then solution is bigger economy.

In a high low mix, missiles like brahmos, scalp, pralay, etc will be used against high value targets, based on how many we have and can afford to manufacture in wartime.
While rockets, drones will be mass used weapons.

 

[Herciv]

Already told you these are for high value targets.

Of course they are. But that's not the point. The point is that during a war you have to be versatile tu be able to adapt every time your opponent adpat himself.
If MKI depend only from Bhramos to be efficient in air to ground operation, after only several month it would be no more used. Then it will have to take much more risk to go closer to the target for example with spice.

 

[redpanda]

Of course they are. But that's not the point. The point is that during a war you have to be versatile tu be able to adapt every time your opponent adpat himself.
If MKI depend only from Bhramos to be efficient in air to ground operation, after only several month it would be no more used. Then it will have to take much more risk to go closer to the target for example with spice.

The assumption of war lasting for several months against Pakistan is not a reality for now. But even then we have other options aside from Brahmos. Not everything has to be launched from aircrafts. We have a decent inventory of spice, scalp and hammer. Aside from that we also have our own glide bombs like Khagantak, SAAW etc.

 

[Herciv]

10 air-to-air kills? At best only two. Yes, MKI also got air-to-air kills but kill count is not known.

10 are the figure that's circulate here in France among high rank military.
Don't know if it's true or not.

 

[Herciv]

The assumption of war lasting for several months against Pakistan is not a reality for now. But even then we have other options aside from Brahmos. Not everything has to be launched from aircrafts. We have a decent inventory of spice, scalp and hammer. Aside from that we also have our own glide bombs like Khagantak, SAAW etc.

I'm Ok with that but what IAF has to deal with are Pakistan and China. IAF has to be prepared to be able to fight both in the same time.
What I mean is that inventory is one thing and production capacity an other.
The more each plaform are versatile and can adapt to several weapons and way to make war the more usable they are during a long and hight intensity war.

By having both platform like SU-30 MKI and rafale IAF can increased its number of suppliers even with shortage on one or an other munition.

 

[babablacksheep]

Of course they are. But that's not the point. The point is that during a war you have to be versatile tu be able to adapt every time your opponent adpat himself.
If MKI depend only from Bhramos to be efficient in air to ground operation, after only several month it would be no more used. Then it will have to take much more risk to go closer to the target for example with spice.

We a developing, rudram2, rudram 3.
Which will be relatively more cheap.

And future rudram 4

 

[Herciv]

We a developing, rudram2, rudram 3.
Which will be relatively more cheap.

And future rudram 4

Once again problem is not to be cheap or not. Problem is how many every day : to give solutions to the IAF every day during a long high intensity war. To be able to make enough munitions. 300 bhramos a year are only one brahmos a day. How can you help every day your trooper without weapon for that. The same for Bhramos or scalp or meteor or mica or rudram.

 

[Herciv]

Once again problem is not to be cheap or not. Problem is how many every day : to give solutions to the IAF every day during a long high intensity war. To be able to make enough munitions. 300 bhramos a year are only one brahmos a day. How can you help every day your trooper without weapon for that. The same for Bhramos or scalp or meteor or mica or rudram.

What I mean Is that MKI or rafale have to be able to carry very simple munitions very close to the combat line or from time to time deeply in the enemy theater.