Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

Pakistan may not have a high BM count today, but I don't think that will remain the same forever. They have access to cheap Nork and Iranian designs plus the variety of Chinese designs.

I definitely foresee a future where they are lobbing volleys of 100+ crude BMs at Indian cities like Iran is doing to Israel today. The difference being Israel has the US and other nations helping to intercept these BMs along the way. India is a much more target rich environment, will have to do it alone and has less time to react due to distances.

India's air defense worked well now but I'm not sure it can sustain the type of fire we are seeing in the current middle east flare up. Boosting the local IAD network should be priority number 1.
 
Yes, currently for hypersonic missiles in the terminal phase, we may not have defense, and it's difficult; maybe our QRSAM can intercept, not sure... We need to do a few tests with our LRLACM as a test target.

Again, Pakistani BM will be intercepted in midcourse or boost phase itself since Pakistan doesn't have depth or distance from the LOC. But if the numbers are high, we may need to have effective systems in place to counter the number of engagements.
Are we talking about re entry vehicles in a ballistic trajectory at hypersonic speeds or HCMs & HGVs here ?
 
Pakistan may not have a high BM count today, but I don't think that will remain the same forever. They have access to cheap Nork and Iranian designs plus the variety of Chinese designs.

I definitely foresee a future where they are lobbing volleys of 100+ crude BMs at Indian cities like Iran is doing to Israel today. The difference being Israel has the US and other nations helping to intercept these BMs along the way. India is a much more target rich environment, will have to do it alone and has less time to react due to distances.

India's air defense worked well now but I'm not sure it can sustain the type of fire we are seeing in the current middle east flare up. Boosting the local IAD network should be priority number 1.
As you rightly said, India and pak are across each other with no countries in between, but if pakistan lobs 1000+ km missile(which go mach 6+ and are difficult to intercept) like iran we will see it as nuke simply because it is now entering the low MRBM range and overlaps with their nuke capable missiles. So they can use (already used in their Op BuM) only Battlefield level BRBM and SRBMs, like fatah-1(150km) fatah-2(300km) ones, which are significantly slower(mach 3) than the long ranged ones used by iran.

They did not use babur, raad CM in Op BuM while we were using scalps, brahmos etc simply because they use these in strategic role and esp babur where they even use it as poor man's second strike from sub launched version. There is no reason to believe they will switch to using MRBMs in conventional role in numbers like iran suddenly in future because
1) It is not the rational decision because of nukes
2) The CEP in conventional role is still not upto to the mark to target precisely unlike cruise missiles or eo/ir having albms etc.

Though they can upgrade their fatah series to acheive more range ~500km+ like lockheed's PrSM and maybe even increase speed to high supersonic mach 5 that is what we should be preparing for not the 1000+ km BMs for conventional strikes.

Tangentially, apart from missiles themselves see the amount of launchers iranians have courtsey of their civilian auto manufacturing expertise, pakistan has nothing similar, they import their TELs from china or east euros(belarus) mostly and US routinely sanctions those entities also.
Israel is said to have taken out 1/3rd of the launchers but still they have a lot, compared to pakistan if it wants to use same approach in future pak needs similar level auto industry also along with missiles.
 
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Are we talking about re entry vehicles in a ballistic trajectory at hypersonic speeds or HCMs & HGVs here ?
HCM I consider it's a totally different ballgame, and it's a more complex design as a weapon development compared to the other two types. Let's consider HGVs and ballistic trajectory missiles similar to Iranian ones. Both will follow a nearly straight line path in the terminal phase at high mach speed using Earth's gravity.

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Pakistan may not have a high BM count today, but I don't think that will remain the same forever. They have access to cheap Nork and Iranian designs plus the variety of Chinese designs.

I definitely foresee a future where they are lobbing volleys of 100+ crude BMs at Indian cities like Iran is doing to Israel today. The difference being Israel has the US and other nations helping to intercept these BMs along the way. India is a much more target rich environment, will have to do it alone and has less time to react due to distances.

India's air defense worked well now but I'm not sure it can sustain the type of fire we are seeing in the current middle east flare up. Boosting the local IAD network should be priority number 1.
Why aren't we producing Noko and Iranian copies of BM's when they can be easily procured and produced en-masse. Why aren't we producing the Geran 2's from Russia.
 
Why aren't we producing Noko and Iranian copies of BM's when they can be easily procured and produced en-masse. Why aren't we producing the Geran 2's from Russia.
Because the likes of noko & Iranian don't have have good CEP, you can launch as many missile if it's not hitting the desired targets then it holds no value, also these missiles follows the parabolic path, which again will be easier job's for the SAM's to intercept, these types of missiles are venerable to interception, cause lack of maneuverability
With regards to india, india has moved away from these missile long back, our BM doctrine is to avoid the SAM and less CEP, we focus more on the survival and hitting the target with precision not just shoot & pray,
Even the prithivi series have the good maneuverability capabilities,
Well we are, harpy is now being made by Adani, NAL is making Thier own long range loitering drone, newspace have sheshnag which has ranges from 1000km to 15km, solar with nagastra 3, L&T now will make abhyas with warhead,
 
What we cannot intercept are HGV & HCM,
MARV will give us hard time,
Current Aakash variants don't have the capabilities to intercept High speed ballastic missiles, akash NG have the capabilities to intercept SRBM but it's not Full proff solutions,

If we want to intercept them at large numbers Then we have to scale up of BMD defence unit's, we have to increase the number, and scattered it around all western sectors,
For HGV we need space assets, for early detection and tracking them
 
Why aren't we producing Noko and Iranian copies of BM's when they can be easily procured and produced en-masse. Why aren't we producing the Geran 2's from Russia.
Because India's military strategy doesn't require masses of low precision BMs, they need more accurate munitions. India's military also doesn't control the nation unlike Pakistan. In Pakistan they will do whatever it takes to keep up with India militarily at the cost of their society. That won't work in India.

As you rightly said, India and pak are across each other with no countries in between, but if pakistan lobs 1000+ km missile(which go mach 6+ and are difficult to intercept) like iran we will see it as nuke simply because it is now entering the low MRBM range and overlaps with their nuke capable missiles. So they can use (already used in their Op BuM) only Battlefield level BRBM and SRBMs, like fatah-1(150km) fatah-2(300km) ones, which are significantly slower(mach 3) than the long ranged ones used by iran.

They did not use babur, raad CM in Op BuM while we were using scalps, brahmos etc simply because they use these in strategic role and esp babur where they even use it as poor man's second strike from sub launched version. There is no reason to believe they will switch to using MRBMs in conventional role in numbers like iran suddenly in future because
1) It is not the rational decision because of nukes
2) The CEP in conventional role is still not upto to the mark to target precisely unlike cruise missiles or eo/ir having albms etc.

Though they can upgrade their fatah series to acheive more range ~500km+ like lockheed's PrSM and maybe even increase speed to high supersonic mach 5 that is what we should be preparing for not the 1000+ km BMs for conventional strikes.
I agree that their current stockpiles aren't sufficient but in my future scenario they have much more volume and have improved the flight dynamics enough to make interception tricky.

I think that in a future standoff the escalation ladder could easily reach the point where Pakistan is lobbing MRBMs with conventional warheads. I expect to see them unveil a model with 500-750km range tailor made for India in the upcoming years. Like an smaller/cheaper Shaheen variant.

If it gets to the point where barrages of conventional SRBMs are not achieving anything, and Indian planners know that munitions thus far have been conventional, I don't think it is out of realm that Pakistan would start lobbing MRBMs. We'll have to see what response India has at that time.


Tangentially, apart from missiles themselves see the amount of launchers iranians have courtsey of their civilian auto manufacturing expertise, pakistan has nothing similar, they import their TELs from china or east euros(belarus) mostly and US routinely sanctions those entities also.
Israel is said to have taken out 1/3rd of the launchers but still they have a lot, compared to pakistan if it wants to use same approach in future pak needs similar level auto industry also along with missiles.
This is a really good point and is entirely fair. My counter point would be that the IAF will almost certainly lack the ability to target TELs in Pakistan like Israel is doing in Iran. The gap between Israel and Iran in the air is incomparable to India/Pakistan. In fact, this calculus will move more in Pakistan's favor as they bring 5th generator fighters and better SAM/radar batteries online in the upcoming years.

I also don't know if India will start striking Chinese shipments to Pakistan in a future conflict. If the skirmish unfolds like Sindoor did, India will almost certainly let Turkish/Chinese shipments go through to avoid drawing them in.
 
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Our Kusha will be capable of intercepting hypersonic threats?

Yes. Earlier projections that it will be a S-400 equivalent, but still fall short of it were false. It's basically an S-500 equivalent as confirmed by Kamat.

I suppose the plan is to have separate civilian BMD and military BMD programs. Or Kusha could be a one-stop shop for all our BMD needs (endo and exo) along with aerodynamic threats at med/long range while Akash NG/MRSAM and below cater to lower ranges and altitudes.

Kamat claims it's S-500 equivalent, but let's see if that's true.
 
Pakistan may not have a high BM count today, but I don't think that will remain the same forever. They have access to cheap Nork and Iranian designs plus the variety of Chinese designs.

I definitely foresee a future where they are lobbing volleys of 100+ crude BMs at Indian cities like Iran is doing to Israel today. The difference being Israel has the US and other nations helping to intercept these BMs along the way. India is a much more target rich environment, will have to do it alone and has less time to react due to distances.

India's air defense worked well now but I'm not sure it can sustain the type of fire we are seeing in the current middle east flare up. Boosting the local IAD network should be priority number 1.

Our IADS as it stands today has been designed to deal with China. We have overkill against Pakistan in terms of interceptors and it's only gonna get better over the next 10 years.

The real threat is a two-front war.
 
Because India's military strategy doesn't require masses of low precision BMs, they need more accurate munitions. India's military also doesn't control the nation unlike Pakistan. In Pakistan they will do whatever it takes to keep up with India militarily at the cost of their society. That won't work in India.


I agree that their current stockpiles aren't sufficient but in my future scenario they have much more volume and have improved the flight dynamics enough to make interception tricky.

I think that in a future standoff the escalation ladder could easily reach the point where Pakistan is lobbing MRBMs with conventional warheads. I expect to see them unveil a model with 500-750km range tailor made for India in the upcoming years. Like an smaller/cheaper Shaheen variant.

If it gets to the point where barrages of conventional SRBMs are not achieving anything, and Indian planners know that munitions thus far have been conventional, I don't think it is out of realm that Pakistan would start lobbing MRBMs. We'll have to see what response India has at that time.



This is a really good point and is entirely fair. My counter point would be that the IAF will almost certainly lack the ability to target TELs in Pakistan like Israel is doing in Iran. The gap between Israel and Iran in the air is incomparable to India/Pakistan. In fact, this calculus will move more in Pakistan's favor as they bring 5th generator fighters and better SAM/radar batteries online in the upcoming years.

I also don't know if India will start striking Chinese shipments to Pakistan in a future conflict. If the skirmish unfolds like Sindoor did, India will almost certainly let Turkish/Chinese shipments go through to avoid drawing them in.
We would let Chinese shipments get through but not Turkish ones. Hitting Turkish shipments will have 0 military consequences for India as Turkey is too far away and too weak compared to us to pose a serious military challenge.
 
Yes. Earlier projections that it will be a S-400 equivalent, but still fall short of it were false. It's basically an S-500 equivalent as confirmed by Kamat.

I suppose the plan is to have separate civilian BMD and military BMD programs. Or Kusha could be a one-stop shop for all our BMD needs (endo and exo) along with aerodynamic threats at med/long range while Akash NG/MRSAM and below cater to lower ranges and altitudes.

Kamat claims it's S-500 equivalent, but let's see if that's true.
Considering our +20 years experience in BMD in the form of our BMD program, I think Kusha will be more than capable of handling any conventional ballistic missiles threat from Pakistan. For HGV and HCM, imo it is imperative to have space assets and as you said sensors across multiple domains. Kusha as a standalone system will have difficulty intercepting hypersonic threats. As such imo we need to also go in full speed with our AD AH program as a sole dedicated anti hypersonic projectile interceptor with a system of systems encompassing long range radars, space based hyperspectral and launch detection satellites, with an interceptor designed solely for nothing but hypersonic threats.
 
Why aren't we producing Noko and Iranian copies of BM's when they can be easily procured and produced en-masse. Why aren't we producing the Geran 2's from Russia.
300km range pinaka is supposed to be that, a cheap ballistic missile.

Also rudram 2, 3 can also be considered cheap ballistic missiles, as because they are to be carried by fighter jets, significant amount of 💰 will be saved by not making a large booster section for each missile.

As for "realtively cheaper" missiles with >500km range, older Agni 1,2,3 will be relatively quite cheap.










As for geran2, Sheshnaag drone is being tested.
 
HCM I consider it's a totally different ballgame, and it's a more complex design as a weapon development compared to the other two types. Let's consider HGVs and ballistic trajectory missiles similar to Iranian ones. Both will follow a nearly straight line path in the terminal phase at high mach speed using Earth's gravity.

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No my question was different. It was stated we lack the ability to target hypersonic missiles . My question was does this pertain to re entry vehicles of missiles in a ballistic trajectory or are we talking HGVs HCMs etc ?

If it is the former what are those AAD-1 & AAD-2 missiles for since one is for exo atmospheric interception & the other for endo atmospheric interception .

Besides don't we have the Barak 8 / MRSAM which was successfully tested against the Brahmos long ago making us one of the few countries in the world which fielded both a supersonic missile & its counter.

Admittedly the MRSAM successfully intercepted a supersonic missile . I'm venturing it can possibly counter a hypersonic missile in low hypersonic speeds not exceeding Mach 6 . So there could be some protection there in the terminal stage as well.

Not sure if Kusha programme has that ability but then there's the AD-AH & AD-AM ( not sure what's this for but literature on the net suggests it is anti hypersonic ) in development.

The issue is all these are 5-10 yrs away from mass production. This leaves us with few choices in the interim except to go in for more regiments of S-400 & S-500 & up the acquisition of the MRSAM or whatever alternative we're cooking ASAP apart from various iterations of the Akash & QRSAM.
 
. My question was does this pertain to re entry vehicles of missiles in a ballistic trajectory or are we talking HGVs HCMs etc ?
Hgv and hcms.
Though we are developing AD-AH for those.
But early warning and guidance system to deal with hgvs and hcm would be a bigger hurdle, though again it is also being developed, including space based assets.


For for ballistic and re entry vehicles.

We have ad1 ready, ad2 almost ready, it's not like they will only be used to intercept nuclear tipped ballistic missiles.
Ad2 specially being endo atmospheric is designed to intercept "re-entry vehicles".

S400, mrsam/barak 8 also have effectiveness against SRBMs and MRBMs , coming at speeds of Mach ~6-7.
Kusha will further increase our anti ballistic shield.


As for ballistic missiles/long range guided artillary rockets, like fatah-1,2 and I would even add cm400.
Any airdefense systems including akash, and even old pechora missiles can be used to intercept them, so all airdefense systems are effective against those.
 
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Considering our +20 years experience in BMD in the form of our BMD program, I think Kusha will be more than capable of handling any conventional ballistic missiles threat from Pakistan. For HGV and HCM, imo it is imperative to have space assets and as you said sensors across multiple domains. Kusha as a standalone system will have difficulty intercepting hypersonic threats. As such imo we need to also go in full speed with our AD AH program as a sole dedicated anti hypersonic projectile interceptor with a system of systems encompassing long range radars, space based hyperspectral and launch detection satellites, with an interceptor designed solely for nothing but hypersonic threats.

There's no point in guessing what Kusha will do. It doesn't follow the interceptor template of the S-500 either.
 
Opération Sindoor: le succès aérien de l’Inde passé sous silence
Operation Sindoor: India's Overlooked Aerial Success
As the Paris Air Show at Le Bourget opens in Paris, the Rafale will be the talk of the show. The flagship of French manufacturer Dassault Aviation was engaged in combat against Pakistan during Operation Sindoor on May 7. While one of these aircraft was destroyed, the raid led by India appears to have been crowned with success.

In military matters, there is "know-how" and "communicating." It seems that New Delhi has neglected the latter. Since the end of the air raid on May 7, a vast information campaign led by Pakistan, with the support of China, has attempted to impose two ideas: India lost a large number of aircraft during Operation Sindoor, including several Rafales, and the Chinese aircraft equipping the Pakistani Air Force outclassed their adversaries.

However, Western military personnel who have assessed the military outcome of Operation Sindoor have made a completely different assessment: "Sindoor was a total tactical victory and a complete failure in terms of communications, almost a defeat," they say.

One of the largest air operations in decades
Sindoor is one of the largest air operations conducted in South Asia in several decades. More than 60 Indian Air Force aircraft were engaged against some 40 Pakistani aircraft, including Chinese-made J-10s. These Indian airstrikes targeted infrastructure linked to armed groups accused of being responsible for the Pahalgam attack in Indian-held Kashmir on April 22, 2025. "The aircraft engaged each other from a distance, without crossing the border," experts note.

To understand the mechanics of the operation, we must look back and consider the conflict between India and Pakistan in 2019. Again, following attacks by armed groups in Kashmir, India struck Pakistan in retaliation. A lightning and unannounced air attack led to a significant risk of escalation between the two nuclear-armed countries. Here too, India shut down its communications and failed to acknowledge the loss of a Mirage 2000 from one of its fighter squadrons.

For Operation Sindoor, New Delhi wanted to prevent the conflict from escalating. India therefore warned Islamabad that strikes would be carried out. The Pakistani army therefore knew where and when the Indian response would occur. But since 2019, two capability-related factors have intervened: in the meantime, New Delhi has acquired the Rafale and Islamabad has received military support from Beijing.

9 Targets in the Indian Air Force's Crosshairs

On the night of May 6-7, 2025, the Indian Air Force conducted its raid with very ambitious objectives and a deliberate risk-taking that allowed for crew losses. They had nine targets in their sights: armed group training camps, a Pakistani army command and control center, ground-to-air systems, and surveillance radars.

The 60 Indian aircraft involved, including Rafales and Mirage 2000s, had planned three waves of bombing to reach their targets. One strike was enough. "They arrived like a boxing ring, in a very constrained space. They were eagerly awaited by the ground-to-air defense and 40 Pakistani aircraft." Despite this, they hit all the targets!” says an observer very close to the case.

Under the wings of the Indian fighters, they carried Air-to-Air Mica and Météor missiles (from the French missile manufacturer MBDA) for aerial combat, and A2SM bombs and Scalp missiles for ground targets. The Indian crews expected to suffer significant attrition. Yet, in one wave, they achieved all their objectives, some even being hit multiple times, an “overkill” in military jargon. Two factors made the difference, Western military personnel note: “the excellent intelligence they received, which matched their political objectives, and the high level of qualification of the pilots.”

"It must have moved in flight!" emphasizes French Air Force General Bruno Mignot. "60 planes is a big raid indeed. And if they lost 4 or 5 aircraft, it's not much. Especially if they were warned. That means they were sure of themselves, it also means they know that the Pakistani equipment wasn't up to scratch. An air raid works on a lot of things. There's the initial intelligence: Who? Where? How? Then there are target files, it's almost a science, it's targeting. And so targeting consists of choosing the type of munitions to send, the angle of arrival of the bomb on the target, but also the setting of the proximity fuze. Whether the bomb should explode immediately or whether it should be given time to embed itself in the target before it explodes. This requires capabilities that few countries possess."

A balance sheet largely in India's favor
Sindoor was one of the largest air battles since World War II. It ended in an Indian victory that led to a very rapid de-escalation between the two belligerents. "They demonstrated the weakness of Pakistan's defenses," military sources indicate. "They only lost a few aircraft, while Pakistan lost more than ten."

While it is confirmed that a Rafale aircraft was destroyed, doubts remain about the cause of its destruction. The aircraft may have been the victim of friendly fire.

A Chinese information maneuver
As soon as the operations ended, Pakistan launched a formidable information campaign, amplified by China, to discredit the Dassault Aviation Rafale.

In its confrontation with India, Pakistan's tactic was to turn its strategic failure into an informational victory.

Accounts linked to Islamabad spread the narrative that several Indian Rafales had crashed as a result of Pakistani fire. These posts were echoed in statements by the Pakistani armed forces claiming the destruction of five enemy aircraft, including three Rafales, during nighttime combat between May 6 and 7.

This information was accompanied by a series of fake images circulated on social media.

In addition to the Rafale, this maneuver, intended to highlight India's failure, also aimed to denigrate French industry, undermine the Franco-Indian partnership, and promote equipment from competing Chinese and Russian industries.

Despite great frustration on the French side, Paris reportedly requested clarification before the Paris Air Show, India has not changed its habits and has not commented on Operation Sindoor.

In the hours following the confrontation between the IAF and the Pakistani Air Force, and even before the first raid of Operation Sindoor, numerous narratives intended to discredit the French aircraft spread on social media. Accounts claiming to be those of military experts immediately focused on the loss, real or supposed, of one or more Rafale fighter jets, almost completely omitting the destruction of Russian-made MIGs and Sukhoi fighters.

Even as some internet users sought to cross-reference open-source videos to try to establish as much as possible the death toll, other accounts, mainly Pakistani and Chinese, immediately shifted the focus to the commercial aspects of this confrontation, boasting the supposed superiority of the Chinese equipment used by the Pakistani army.

Fake news circulated regarding the cancellation of a Rafale order by Indonesia, while Paris and Jakarta further strengthened their defense partnership during President Emmanuel Macron's visit to the country. Other comments cast doubt on the UAE's Rafale order, as was already the case in the summer of 2024.

It should be noted that at the time the posts denigrating the French aircraft's performance were published, no one really had a clear idea of the circumstances surrounding the losses on either side.

It was only the next day that India held a belated press conference detailing the strikes, while Pakistan announced the loss of several Indian aircraft, including Rafales, from the very beginning of the fighting. This statement was echoed in particular by Turkish accounts, while neighboring Greece is fielding French-made Rafale fighter jets.

Parody accounts, close to the Chinese nationalist sphere, also sought to ridicule the Indian military, pointing out the ineffectiveness of its expensive equipment.

In the United States, conspiracy accounts touted the capabilities of Pakistani aircraft. Finally, in Paris, CNN claimed that a French military source had confirmed the loss of an aircraft, while the French military declined to comment.
 
Our IADS as it stands today has been designed to deal with China. We have overkill against Pakistan in terms of interceptors and it's only gonna get better over the next 10 years.
My biggest issue is the ability to churn out more interceptors. I know that Akash is supposed to have a pretty high percentage of local components, but I do not know how many India has in their stockpile. I've seen estimates from 1200 to over 20,000 interceptors with between 30-250 launchers. It's role for BMD defense is murky.

For other missiles currently deployed there are those that have limited deployment ( QR-SAM/Akash-NG), are highly reliant on imports (Sypder), or both (MR-SAM).

Numbers of PAD / PDV / AD-1/ AD-2 are obviously classified but going by US production rates of THAAD + SM3 production (around 150-180 interceptors per year), I'd be surprised if India could scale up production faster than the Pakistanis can get their hands on BMs.

The real threat is a two-front war.
This deficiency is supposed to be addressed with a combination of Kusha + BMD programme for long range, Akash NG for intermediate and VLSRSAM for close in range, right? This layering of is much more comfortable since it is all local and is what I mean by IADs being number one priority. I feel that India needs to be bristling with AD