Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

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randomradio

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Any news to conclude "so as expected" ?

Expected, but not as per what he believes.

If SH wins IN's tender, it's gonna be based on merit, more specifically because we may be looking at a single vendor situation. Hellfire believes an American choice will be political. So he's applied that to MRFA as well.
 

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For anti ship missiles you have the brahmos it seems?

Brahmos-M will be common for both anyway. I was referring to the subsonic component, where India doesn't yet have an equivalent, whereas the LRASM is the clear winner between itself and the Exocet.

But the main advantage lies elsewhere. LRASM can take cues from non-Indian sensors. An American/Australian missile can be fired from an American/Australian aircraft and passed off as Indian as well. It extends to anything related to the SH actually. The Chinese do not need to know the specifics. 20 SHs from the Vikrant can magically turn into 60 SHs, and the Chinese will be very impressed by the "sortie rate". ;)
 

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I see new heights of optimism scaled every day or night as is the case here ever since 2022 began. Somehow, I had an inkling we were in for it. How come you ask? It's infectious. If everyone is indulging in it, how can I be immune?!

Apparently US & Australia of all nations are going to join India in fighting the Chinese in the Indo Pacific seas in the event of an Indo China war & uniformity in platforms is why we're going in for the F-18s.

But by the same logic India won't be part of a US led campaign to defend Taiwan.
 

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Er... Yes.

That's one of the main points of the interoperability exercises we have been doing since 2008.

The entire point of signing CISMOA (COMCASA) was to integrate the two forces. This includes integrating India's underwater sensors with US-Japan's SOSUS network.


COMCASA has given us direct access to CENTRIXS.

It's been designed in such a way that any American designed asset can use USN networks regardless of ownership. A USN admiral in the Nimitz and an Indian admiral in the Vikrant will have a common battlefield picture. This will allow all parties involved to help each other in a clandestine manner without having to go for a no holds barred alliance. It's a common sense approach where the US is in a position to help India fight a war with China without reciprocation when things go bad.
 

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Er... Yes.

That's one of the main points of the interoperability exercises we have been doing since 2008.

The entire point of signing CISMOA (COMCASA) was to integrate the two forces. This includes integrating India's underwater sensors with US-Japan's SOSUS network.


COMCASA has given us direct access to CENTRIXS.

It's been designed in such a way that any American designed asset can use USN networks regardless of ownership. A USN admiral in the Nimitz and an Indian admiral in the Vikrant will have a common battlefield picture. This will allow all parties involved to help each other in a clandestine manner without having to go for a no holds barred alliance. It's a common sense approach where the US is in a position to help India fight a war with China without reciprocation when things go bad.
top-secret ? then how did NDTV come to know about it? Looks like more of a james bond movie.
 

randomradio

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top-secret ? then how did NDTV come to know about it? Looks like more of a james bond movie.

There should be a limit to how retarded a post can get. A simple Google search would have helped.

CENTRIXS:
This paper discusses the continued development and operation of coalition networks in support of U.S. Pacific Command’s initiative to provide classified, permanent network service for bilateral and multilateral communities of interest for combined and coalition operations. The Combined Operations Wide Area Networks (COWAN) project, headed by SSC San Diego personnel, continued to grow and has recently been consolidated with the Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange System (CENTRIXS) program, originally designed to support U.S. Central Command requirements.

There exists a closed off network for the Five Eyes. And Japan and India tap into this network through a server dedicated for our needs. This was originally made for Japan, and now we are part of it.

Earlier, we were plugged in to CENTRIXS during exercises, and these were removed after. But post-COMCASA, the devices will be installed permanently.

The governments of the United States and India should deepen intelligence cooperation focused on the Indian Ocean. There is a need to overcome existing bottlenecks and develop an effective mechanism that can leverage the CENTRIX system loaned to the Indian Navy and used by the combined maritime forces within the Fifth Fleet, or the Asia-Pacific Intelligence Network that facilitates the exchange of finished intelligence products.

Both India and U.S. are also cooperating in encrypted communications between their navies after the two countries signed a loan agreement in March 2019, and installed two Pacific-fleet-provided CENTRIXS (Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange System) kits at the Indian Navy headquarters.
 

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Was discussing on the group about the cost. FMS sale for 40 Super Hornets to Kuwait was quoted at 10 billion USD. But then contract only for 28 was signed which may be as low as 2.5 billion USD just for the airframes.

Anyways, let the hornet come here in March. And if they are that much confident, do a sortie on R33 if it's active.
 

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Was discussing on the group about the cost. FMS sale for 40 Super Hornets to Kuwait was quoted at 10 billion USD. But then contract only for 28 was signed which may be as low as 2.5 billion USD just for the airframes.

Anyways, let the hornet come here in March. And if they are that much confident, do a sortie on R33 if it's active.

What works in the IN's favour is the version we need is the same one the USN operates. So it will be cheaper than what Kuwait would need since they don't need wing fold.
 

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@Picdelamirand-oil

According to Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha (Retd), “With Rafale M shore-based demonstrations over the Naval Air Staff should be satisfied that basic requirements of preparation are well on the way.

Naval Test Pilots must be burning the midnight oil to draw graphs to explore the unexplored limits. They need to be ready for Super Hornet trials sometime in March. Not to be left far behind, Boeing may even be contemplating advancing their demonstration.”


The Admiral further noted that his “sense is that ease of fitment in the aircraft carrier lift and economy of scale could tilt the decision. For the government, the outgo is important whereas, for the manufacturer, it is the economy of scale.

It will be prudent from the buyer’s point of view to choose an aircraft for IAF and IN from the same stable to keep the costs, logistics, and life cycle cost within a manageable budget. That is one in hand is better than two in the bush.

"Boeing has developed a capability specifically for the F/A-18 Super Hornet that will allow for the faster movement of the aircraft between the flight deck and hangar deck without having to remove or modify any part of the aircraft," said Surendra Ahuja, managing director, Boeing Defense India.

Ahuja, a former Indian Navy test pilot who retired at the rank of rear admiral, added that the fighter will be able to fit the elevator onboard Indian carriers - a critical requirement for the navy as the current design is suited for smaller aircraft like the MiG 29Ks that are in service. "This capability is compatible with the current elevator configuration aboard Indian aircraft carriers," he said.

The French side has also resolved the problem, with a solution that requires removing a part of the wing of the Rafale before it can fit the carrier elevator.
 

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@Picdelamirand-oil

According to Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha (Retd), “With Rafale M shore-based demonstrations over the Naval Air Staff should be satisfied that basic requirements of preparation are well on the way.

Naval Test Pilots must be burning the midnight oil to draw graphs to explore the unexplored limits. They need to be ready for Super Hornet trials sometime in March. Not to be left far behind, Boeing may even be contemplating advancing their demonstration.”


The Admiral further noted that his “sense is that ease of fitment in the aircraft carrier lift and economy of scale could tilt the decision. For the government, the outgo is important whereas, for the manufacturer, it is the economy of scale.

It will be prudent from the buyer’s point of view to choose an aircraft for IAF and IN from the same stable to keep the costs, logistics, and life cycle cost within a manageable budget. That is one in hand is better than two in the bush.

"Boeing has developed a capability specifically for the F/A-18 Super Hornet that will allow for the faster movement of the aircraft between the flight deck and hangar deck without having to remove or modify any part of the aircraft," said Surendra Ahuja, managing director, Boeing Defense India.

Ahuja, a former Indian Navy test pilot who retired at the rank of rear admiral, added that the fighter will be able to fit the elevator onboard Indian carriers - a critical requirement for the navy as the current design is suited for smaller aircraft like the MiG 29Ks that are in service. "This capability is compatible with the current elevator configuration aboard Indian aircraft carriers," he said.


The French side has also resolved the problem, with a solution that requires removing a part of the wing of the Rafale before it can fit the carrier elevator.
 

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The French side has also resolved the problem, with a solution that requires removing a part of the wing of the Rafale before it can fit the carrier elevator.
The MICA rail will be removed and reassembled in a similar way to a pylon under the wings without taking more time.
The benefit is that the aircraft will be able to pull 11 g instead of 7.5 g.
 
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