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The American ego refuses to believe how their Fighting Falcon just got hunted by the Bison. Even Tom Cooper has accepted this. @Innominate ; mate try harder.
U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Foreign Policy said in a report published on Thursday two U.S. defence officials with direct knowledge of the matter said U.S. personnel had done a count of Pakistan’s F-16s and found none missing.U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.
www.reuters.com
IAF Did Not Shoot Down Pak F-16 in Balakot Aftermath, Says US Scholar Christine Fair
Fair, whose work on Pakistan is frequently cited by the Indian side, took on former air chief BS Dhanoa, saying the IAF narrative is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections".Chandigarh: Minutes after retired Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa attacked the Pakistani claim that IAF bombers dropped their payloads in haste and missed their target on February 26 when they bombed a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp in Balakot, Christine Fair – an expert on South Asian political and military affairs – said the IAF story of the operation and its aftermath is based on ‘dubious’ claims.
Fair, a professor of security studies at Georgetown University who has spent many years researching in Pakistan, stirred up a heated debate at the Military Literature Festival in Chandigarh on Saturday when she went on to assert that she did not believe India shot down an F-16 fighter during the dogfight between Indian and Pakistani jets in the aftermath of the Indian airstrikes over Balakot.
“I say this clearly with 100% certitude that there was no F-16 struck down. I do not believe you did. I believe that my bonafides as a critic of Pakistan stand for itself,” she said before a stunned audience. But Fair added that she and many others in the Pentagon actually wished that the IAF had indeed shot down the F-16, because India had “a right to bomb Pakistan” in retaliation for the Pulwama attack.
She, however, questioned the IAF’s narrative about the incident, saying that it is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections…. The world outside of India does not see things the way they were said here today. Though, I wish they were true.”
IAF Did Not Shoot Down Pak F-16 in Balakot Aftermath, Says US Scholar Christine Fair
Fair, whose work on Pakistan is frequently cited by the Indian side, took on former air chief BS Dhanoa, saying the IAF narrative is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections
So many other sources too.
I see that now you really are trying harder, lmao. About your facts, well! They're simple face saving exercise, lol. Tom Cooper has already proved you guys wrong. Deal with it.U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Foreign Policy said in a report published on Thursday two U.S. defence officials with direct knowledge of the matter said U.S. personnel had done a count of Pakistan’s F-16s and found none missing.
U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.
IAF Did Not Shoot Down Pak F-16 in Balakot Aftermath, Says US Scholar Christine Fair
Fair, whose work on Pakistan is frequently cited by the Indian side, took on former air chief BS Dhanoa, saying the IAF narrative is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections".
Chandigarh: Minutes after retired Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa attacked the Pakistani claim that IAF bombers dropped their payloads in haste and missed their target on February 26 when they bombed a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp in Balakot, Christine Fair – an expert on South Asian political and military affairs – said the IAF story of the operation and its aftermath is based on ‘dubious’ claims.
Fair, a professor of security studies at Georgetown University who has spent many years researching in Pakistan, stirred up a heated debate at the Military Literature Festival in Chandigarh on Saturday when she went on to assert that she did not believe India shot down an F-16 fighter during the dogfight between Indian and Pakistani jets in the aftermath of the Indian airstrikes over Balakot.
“I say this clearly with 100% certitude that there was no F-16 struck down. I do not believe you did. I believe that my bonafides as a critic of Pakistan stand for itself,” she said before a stunned audience. But Fair added that she and many others in the Pentagon actually wished that the IAF had indeed shot down the F-16, because India had “a right to bomb Pakistan” in retaliation for the Pulwama attack.
She, however, questioned the IAF’s narrative about the incident, saying that it is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections…. The world outside of India does not see things the way they were said here today. Though, I wish they were true.”
IAF Did Not Shoot Down Pak F-16 in Balakot Aftermath, Says US Scholar Christine Fair
Fair, whose work on Pakistan is frequently cited by the Indian side, took on former air chief BS Dhanoa, saying the IAF narrative is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win electionsthewire.in
So many other sources too.
Instead of quoting anonymous sources & some trailer park expert how about furnishing us with a statement from concerned authorities on the event & the number of F-16s in the inventory of the PAF , like the State Department , the DoD , the Trump or Irish Joe administration , the House of Representatives or the Senate or any one of the various committees responsible for foreign military sales & their upkeep or the ones responsible for monitoring foreign policies & their outcomes .U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Foreign Policy said in a report published on Thursday two U.S. defence officials with direct knowledge of the matter said U.S. personnel had done a count of Pakistan’s F-16s and found none missing.
U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.
IAF Did Not Shoot Down Pak F-16 in Balakot Aftermath, Says US Scholar Christine Fair
Fair, whose work on Pakistan is frequently cited by the Indian side, took on former air chief BS Dhanoa, saying the IAF narrative is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections".
Chandigarh: Minutes after retired Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa attacked the Pakistani claim that IAF bombers dropped their payloads in haste and missed their target on February 26 when they bombed a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp in Balakot, Christine Fair – an expert on South Asian political and military affairs – said the IAF story of the operation and its aftermath is based on ‘dubious’ claims.
Fair, a professor of security studies at Georgetown University who has spent many years researching in Pakistan, stirred up a heated debate at the Military Literature Festival in Chandigarh on Saturday when she went on to assert that she did not believe India shot down an F-16 fighter during the dogfight between Indian and Pakistani jets in the aftermath of the Indian airstrikes over Balakot.
“I say this clearly with 100% certitude that there was no F-16 struck down. I do not believe you did. I believe that my bonafides as a critic of Pakistan stand for itself,” she said before a stunned audience. But Fair added that she and many others in the Pentagon actually wished that the IAF had indeed shot down the F-16, because India had “a right to bomb Pakistan” in retaliation for the Pulwama attack.
She, however, questioned the IAF’s narrative about the incident, saying that it is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections…. The world outside of India does not see things the way they were said here today. Though, I wish they were true.”
IAF Did Not Shoot Down Pak F-16 in Balakot Aftermath, Says US Scholar Christine Fair
Fair, whose work on Pakistan is frequently cited by the Indian side, took on former air chief BS Dhanoa, saying the IAF narrative is not based on an empirical body of facts but dictated more by “things deployed by politicians to win elections
So many other sources too.
I remember asking you this when you first raised the issue more than a year ago & you've yet to come up with the details pretty much like those details about the E virus like Stuxnet which are still awaited.
I'm of the opinion that there are quite a few guys here who're badly in need of therapy . However , You sweetie , desperately needs an exorcism .
Lol. Tom Cooper? Who dafuq is Tom Cooper and why do you Indians keep using him as if he is in the know? Get dafuq out of here with Tom Cooper and try again!
Listen kiddo... I and the US don't care IF a Pakistani F-16 did get shot down the problem to "YOU PEOPLE" is that it didn't happen. You gotta stop living in this lie your government made up to make you dopes feel better and back to reality. For F's sake so a Pakistani F-16 got the best of the IAF that day MOVE ON and stop lying to yourselves. Do better the next encounter... if IAF is able.
Fine we'd move on if you produce a statement from the concerned authorities namely the DoD, the State Department, the Biden or Trump administration, the Congress or any of it's various committees to the effect that PAF never lost an F-16 on Feb 27 2019 & that the inventory of the F-16s taken after that date reflects the same .
Come on, that shouldn't be hard. Bring out such a statement, link it here & we'd shut up for good else you shut up & move on .
Ja , sweetie?
So, apparently R-73 not only made the tail of F-16 burn, but it caused much more tail(*censored*) burn than given credit for, lol.
@Innominate
Keep trying hard, we know that your F-16 along with American pride were blown by the Indian Bison.
@Innominate
Keep trying hard, we know that your F-16 along with American pride were blown by the Indian Bison.
No Pakistani F-16 got shot down that is just a fact only your dopey media and government is making that claim. If an F-16 did got shot down the world media would have reported it to make US plane look bad but it didn't happen and you need to get over your a$$ hurting that Pakistan got the best of you.
The world doesn't give a crap that only you Indians believe such a lie. If believing that IAF shot down a Pakistani F-16 gets "you people" through your miserable lives then all power to you the problem for you in here is I'm here and I'm gonna call out this bull sht claim.
..World media would've reported it .
Is this enough or should I attach more links sweetie ?
Why US May Finally Admit The Loss Of Pakistani F-16 Fighter To MiG-21 Bison As IAF Pilot Gets Gallantry Award?
Indian Air Force Abhinandan Varthaman, who shot down a Pakistani F-16 during the 2019 conflict, was conferred third-highest gallantry award
eurasiantimes.com
Pakistan’s F-16 Jet 'Shot Down' – But Which Fighter Pilot Downed It First – Abhinandan Or Amjad Javed?
New Delhi created ripples in 2019 when Indian Air Force (IAF) claimed that its Soviet-era Mig-21 Bison shot down a Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) F-16 fighter jet with a Russian-origin Vympel R-73 missile. Even though Islamabad quickly rejected the Indian claims, this was not the first time the...
eurasiantimes.com
Enough With The Indian Mig-21 Bison Versus Pakistani F-16 Viper Bullshit
The amount of garbage commentary and skewed analysis on the whole shoot down has been unbelievable. Here's the reality, like it or not.
www.thedrive.com
This here from The Drive is an interesting example of trailer park level analysis like what you indulge in out here , where the author in true trailer park fashion ridicules the notion that an F-16 could be downed by a MiG-21 pooh poohing all the evidence provided yet mysteriously goes on to provide plenty of evidence , UNINTENTIONALLY , on how it can be possible with examples from COPE India though he offers no , nada , zilch evidence to contradict the evidence provided in favour of a bison shooting down the F-16 .
Who Wins When Russia's MiG-21 Takes On the U.S. F-16 Fighter?
An old fighter such as the MiG-21 can be deadly under the right circumstances.
nationalinterest.org
If the world doesn't give a crap why're you venting your spleen here ?
End the BS claims here eh ? Like the way you started out in the F-22 & F-35 thread but are not to be seen there much over the past few months when more information regarding the dysfunctionality of the F-35 has been made public , it's future hinged to the various purported upgrades it's supposed to receive all thru this decade along with the most vital one namely the engine post which it'd achieve FOC in 2030 which in itself isn't a certainty or like you started out with your faggoty terms of endearments when speaking down to people , got it good from me along with your silky smooth backside ridden rough shod & handed over to you which may have secretly delighted you so much that you abandoned usage of those terms completely.
If we leave all the evidences aside, the IAF literally released the AWACS images and have shown how the track of F-16 was lost...World media would've reported it .
Is this enough or should I attach more links sweetie ?
Why US May Finally Admit The Loss Of Pakistani F-16 Fighter To MiG-21 Bison As IAF Pilot Gets Gallantry Award?
Indian Air Force Abhinandan Varthaman, who shot down a Pakistani F-16 during the 2019 conflict, was conferred third-highest gallantry award
Pakistan’s F-16 Jet 'Shot Down' – But Which Fighter Pilot Downed It First – Abhinandan Or Amjad Javed?
New Delhi created ripples in 2019 when Indian Air Force (IAF) claimed that its Soviet-era Mig-21 Bison shot down a Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) F-16 fighter jet with a Russian-origin Vympel R-73 missile. Even though Islamabad quickly rejected the Indian claims, this was not the first time the...
Enough With The Indian Mig-21 Bison Versus Pakistani F-16 Viper Bullshit
The amount of garbage commentary and skewed analysis on the whole shoot down has been unbelievable. Here's the reality, like it or not.
This here from The Drive is an interesting example of trailer park level analysis like what you indulge in out here , where the author in true trailer park fashion ridicules the notion that an F-16 could be downed by a MiG-21 pooh poohing all the evidence provided yet mysteriously goes on to provide plenty of evidence , UNINTENTIONALLY , on how it can be possible with examples from COPE India though he offers no , nada , zilch evidence to contradict the evidence provided in favour of a bison shooting down the F-16 .
Who Wins When Russia's MiG-21 Takes On the U.S. F-16 Fighter?
An old fighter such as the MiG-21 can be deadly under the right circumstances.
If the world doesn't give a crap why're you venting your spleen here ?
End the BS claims here eh ? Like the way you started out in the F-22 & F-35 thread but are not to be seen there much over the past few months when more information regarding the dysfunctionality of the F-35 has been made public , it's future hinged to the various purported upgrades it's supposed to receive all thru this decade along with the most vital one namely the engine post which it'd achieve FOC in 2030 which in itself isn't a certainty or like you started out with your faggoty terms of endearments when speaking down to people , got it good from me along with your silky smooth backside ridden rough shod & handed over to you which may have secretly delighted you so much that you abandoned usage of those terms completely.
U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Foreign Policy said in a report published on Thursday two U.S. defence officials with direct knowledge of the matter said U.S. personnel had done a count of Pakistan’s F-16s and found none missing.
U.S. count shows no Pakistan F-16s shot down in Indian battle: report
Pakistan's F-16 combat jets have all been accounted for, U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine said, citing U.S. officials, contradicting an Indian air force assessment that it had shot down one of the jets in February.
Haven't counted Pakistan's F-16s, says Pentagon after US magazine claimed it did
Foreign Policy magazine claimed Pakistan's F-16s were found to be intact after a count by US defence personnel, which goes against India's position that it downed one of the jets on 27 February.
theprint.in
A US defence department spokesman told Hindustan Times in a statement that they, the department, “weren’t aware of any investigation like that”, that was said to have been conducted, according to unidentified defence officials cited in the FP report, and referred this reporter to the Department of State.
Plus eyewitness accounts, even on video, of multiple pilot ejections. Only 1 Indian jet carrying 1 pilot was shot down.
"Not aware" is this what you Indians are holding on to?The United States defence department on Friday said it was “not aware” of any investigation that was conducted to ascertain if Pakistan had lost an F-16 in a dogfight with Indian fighter jets on February 27, contrary to a report by a news publication that had gone on to say, citing unidentified defence officials, the count revealed none was missing.Haven't counted Pakistan's F-16s, says Pentagon after US magazine claimed it did
Foreign Policy magazine claimed Pakistan's F-16s were found to be intact after a count by US defence personnel, which goes against India's position that it downed one of the jets on 27 February.
A US defence department spokesman told Hindustan Times in a statement that they, the department, “weren’t aware of any investigation like that”, that was said to have been conducted, according to unidentified defence officials cited in the FP report, and referred this reporter to the Department of State.
Again ONLY Hindee media is making this BS claim. The "journalist" who claims to have spoken to a DOD spokesman, who SPEAKS to media, forgot to name this spokesperson. How convenient of him, huh? Also a spokes-person is ONLY PRIVY to information DOD wants released to public so when some Indian media fella ask him a question (if it even happened) he has no info about, and his/her answer is "I'm not aware," it means he's not aware. Not aware doesn't mean the count didn't happen it means he's not aware if DOD counted Pakistani F-16's.
Wow the desperation by you folks is pathetic. "Not aware" (which I doubt the Indian "journalist" even spoke to a DOD spokesman or he'd name him) and you folks use that to come to the conclusion a counting of Pakistani F-16s didn't happen. Lulz.
Pakistani F-16 DID NOT get shot down. You people need to get over yourselves already with this claim.
Face saving exercise by American false pride. India doesn't award its pilot for fake kills like your ally Pak. 'Nuff said."Not aware" is this what you Indians are holding on to?
Again ONLY Hindee media is making this BS claim. The "journalist" who claims to have spoken to a DOD spokesman, who SPEAKS to media, forgot to name this spokesperson. How convenient of him, huh? Also a spokes-person is ONLY PRIVY to information DOD wants released to public so when some Indian media fella ask him a question (if it even happened) he has no info about, and his/her answer is "I'm not aware," it means he's not aware. Not aware doesn't mean the count didn't happen it means he's not aware if DOD counted Pakistani F-16's.
Wow the desperation by you folks is pathetic. "Not aware" (which I doubt the Indian "journalist" even spoke to a DOD spokesman or he'd name him) and you folks use that to come to the conclusion a counting of Pakistani F-16s didn't happen. Lulz.
Pakistani F-16 DID get shot down. You (people)need to get over yourself(ves) already with this FACT.
So as per the autistic analysis of the situation Foreign Affairs magazine quoting "unnamed sources" who " claimed " to have done a count of the F-16s in PAFs inventory certifying no FA was lost in combat is kosher but this drivel isn't kosher -"Not aware" is this what you Indians are holding on to?
Again ONLY Hindee media is making this BS claim. The "journalist" who claims to have spoken to a DOD spokesman, who SPEAKS to media, forgot to name this spokesperson. How convenient of him, huh? Also a spokes-person is ONLY PRIVY to information DOD wants released to public so when some Indian media fella ask him a question (if it even happened) he has no info about, and his/her answer is "I'm not aware," it means he's not aware. Not aware doesn't mean the count didn't happen it means he's not aware if DOD counted Pakistani F-16's.
Wow the desperation by you folks is pathetic. "Not aware" (which I doubt the Indian "journalist" even spoke to a DOD spokesman or he'd name him) and you folks use that to come to the conclusion a counting of Pakistani F-16s didn't happen. Lulz.
Pakistani F-16 DID NOT get shot down. You people need to get over yourselves already with this claim.
"The "journalist" who claims to have spoken to a DOD spokesman, who SPEAKS to media, forgot to name this spokesperson. How convenient of him, huh? Also a spokes-person is ONLY PRIVY to information DOD wants released to public so when some Indian media fella ask him a question (if it even happened) he has no info about, and his/her answer is "I'm not aware," it means he's not aware. Not aware doesn't mean the count didn't happen it means he's not aware if DOD counted Pakistani F-16's."
You know sweetie, Ivt often wondered how sign language is written down . The above
is a good example of it .Ja, sweetie?
"Not aware" is this what you Indians are holding on to?
Again ONLY Hindee media is making this BS claim. The "journalist" who claims to have spoken to a DOD spokesman, who SPEAKS to media, forgot to name this spokesperson. How convenient of him, huh? Also a spokes-person is ONLY PRIVY to information DOD wants released to public so when some Indian media fella ask him a question (if it even happened) he has no info about, and his/her answer is "I'm not aware," it means he's not aware. Not aware doesn't mean the count didn't happen it means he's not aware if DOD counted Pakistani F-16's.
Wow the desperation by you folks is pathetic. "Not aware" (which I doubt the Indian "journalist" even spoke to a DOD spokesman or he'd name him) and you folks use that to come to the conclusion a counting of Pakistani F-16s didn't happen. Lulz.
Pakistani F-16 DID NOT get shot down. You people need to get over yourselves already with this claim.
He was quoted versus your nonsensical claim.
What spokesman was quoted? Please tell me the name which you won't be able because it didn't happen.
The Indian" journalist" should have printed, DOD spokesman (Insert name here) said he was not aware of any count of Pakistani F-16's by his superiors and well get back to me with an answer.
No name... it didn't happen. And stop using eurasiatimes and national interest as source they are as bad as The National Enquire.
However as per autistic logic the same doesn't apply to Foreign Affairs. They can & have quoted "un named sources" from the State department & that's fine as per autistic analysis.
Similar to AV Geek which you quote out here where the writer refers to Delta winged aircraft as triangles which you duly repeat , being none the wiser , till you were schooled out here & insteat of being grateful you bare your fangs.
Actually - since the entire Pak set-up is anti-Modi, they could have easily hit his credibility (during an election year) by arranging to have a bunch of Indian + Foreign journalists validate the F-16 count of Pak. Had they done that, Modi would have a hard time gaining back credibility in an election year.
It is still not too late, they can do the same now too.
PS: Barkha Dutt + Ravish Kumar will be very excited at receiving such invitation. If Pak generals / armymen wants, Barkha may be willing provide something in return to make them happy as well.
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