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A list of protests scheduled for today, 9th December.

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Salim Yadav has a pretty tough itinerary to keep. There's one in Pune too. Hope dickraa graces these & posts selfies of himself picketing.
 
Assam May Ask Centre To Ban PFI Group Over Citizenship Protest Violence

The state government had earlier named PFI and its students wing - the Campus Front of India ( CFI) - as one of the groups behind violent protests.


Written by Ratandip Choudhury, Edited by Ria Saini
Updated: January 03, 2020; 23:53 IST
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Assam Citizenship Protests: Public property was damaged in vandalism following the protests.

Guwahati: The Assam government on Friday indicated that it is planning to write to the centre to ban controversial group Popular Front of India (PFI) if investigations find its role in inciting violence and vandalism the during anti-Citizenship Act protests in the state.

The state government had earlier named PFI and its students wing - the Campus Front of India (CFI) - as one of the groups behind violent protests. Two leaders of the group were also arrested.

Uttar Pradesh - where several people were killed in protests against the Citizenship Act - had also urged the centre to ban the group for allegedly instigating violence in Lucknow.

Assam minister Himanta Biswa Sarma said that the police have found evidence of the group's involvement in violence. "The day we cracked down upon PFI, violent protests and vandalism stopped. The police have got electronic evidence of PFI's involvement. We have given it to the Central Forensic Laboratory in Guwahati for analysis," he told NDTV.

"PFI claims that it is a democratic organization. In a democratic organization, you don't use code language to talk to your colleagues. We have proof that they were using codes. Our experts are trying to decode them. If forensic reports find anything incriminating, the government will immediately ask the centre to ban the organization," he added.

The police have arrested the group's state president Animul Haque and the press secretary of the organisation Muzamil Haque for conspiring, planning and facilitating violence in Assam during the protest in Guwahati last month. PFI had challenged the Assam government to make public the proof it has against the group and its leaders.

PFI, which has a huge base in Kerala and other parts of south India, has been setting up a base in Assam over the past few years. The group is believed to have about 20,000 members in 22 of Assam's 33 districts. PFI is also said to have strong links with the banned Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).

Assam May Ask Centre To Ban PFI Group Over Citizenship Protest Violence
 
Around 1,079 Pakistani Twitter handles being used to spread hate speech around Citizenship Amendment Act

By Sunny Sen
Jan 08, 2020 14:48:11 IST

In the last few weeks, more than 1,079 Twitter accounts were created in Pakistan to spread hate speech around Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), according to a report prepared by cybersecurity company Innefu Labs, which works closely with government and enforcement agencies, including the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The report, which is available exclusively with Tech2, shows that Pakistan is the hotspot and point of origin of hate speech and anti-India narrative aiming to destabilise social harmony and create internal conflict, by calling India a “terror state” and a “Nazi” country.

In fifteen days, ending 23 December, 2019, hashtags, influencers and bots were used to spread anti-national content using social media.

Hashtags like #NaziIndiaRejected, #IndiaDiscriminatesMuslims, #IndiaToEndia are created by Pakistan-based PTI Social media activists and Pak Cyber Force.

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File image of anti-CAA protesters at Shaheen Bagh. PTI

#NaziIndiaRejected was created by @PTI_VF, which has more than 28,000 followers. Other ones such as #IndiaDiscriminatesMuslims was created by Pakistan-based influencer Husnain Baloch on 21 Dec, 2019. The hashtag #ModiTerrorismPolicywas created by F_H_B_PK on 20 Dec, 2019. And some other of the handles that propagated hate speeches are @KranchiKings19s (does not exist now) and @Rayyank077. Some of the other hashtags originating from Pakistan are #caa_nrc_protests, #citizenshipamendmentact, #indiaagainstcaa_nrc, #indiahatemodi, #cabprotests, among others, used for negative propaganda.

Some of the hashtags were used to originate the hate speeches and others were used to post propaganda videos, misinformation, and police brutality.

“They work in two phases — first by creating a hashtag and then using their activists to bring it in the trending list,” said Tarun Wig, co-founder and CTO of Innefu Labs, which used uses data analytics and artificial intelligence solutions to track and flag off cybercrimes.

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The list of Pakistani Twitter handles investigated by Innefu Labs

The accounts’ and the bots’ objective is to increase negative sentiment and radicalise Muslims against the bill. The accounts projected the CAA as communal law. The report also said that attempts were made, using these accounts and bots, to start countrywide protests. These accounts were also used to share a series of videos and posts against police brutality.

“There is a gradual rise in the use of the internet by Pakistani outfits,” said Wig. “They have become very active with an increase in their workforce by outfits like Social Media activist or SM activist, and PCF (Pak Cyber Force).”

Though it is difficult to find out which are the organisations behind these accounts and bots, Wig has witnessed a gradual rise of such groups on the internet.

“Initially Pakistan Cyber Force was very active apart from JiD cyber army, but now multiple other groups seem to have been started by them for the same thing,” said Wig.

Around 1,079 Pakistani Twitter handles being used to spread hate speech around Citizenship Amendment Act - Firstpost
 
Why Indian Universities are witnessing violence

Delhi
Jan 08, 2020, 01.45 PM(IST)
Written By: Arun Anand
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Police gather outside a gate of the Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) following clashes between student groups in New Delhi on January 5, 2020.Photograph:(AFP)

Story highlights : The violence which we are witnessing in university campuses is actually a manifestation of the push back from radical elements against the present establishment.

The violent clashes that took place in internationally acclaimed Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) in the Capital of India on January 5, was a part of the chain of well-planned events. A few weeks ago, similar violence was unleashed by groups of students asking rollback of the Citizenship Amendment Act in Jamia Millia Islamia University in Delhi. The Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) has also witnessed similar incidents.

The reason for this backlash is simple. The Left and the Islamic fundamentalists have been marginalised electorally, politically and institutionally in India. This started with Narendra Modi-led government coming to power in 2014. Modi government ensured that the Left and the Islamic fundamentalists should stop feeding on state’s resources, so they gradually made to move them out of the government’s institutions where they had been well entrenched for decades.

The resounding victory of Modi and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in 2019 general elections sounded a final death knell for the ecosystem built by the radical elements through government resources. University campuses are the only space where the Left and the Islamic fundamentalists still remain entrenched. Thus the violence which we are witnessing in the university campuses is actually a manifestation of the push back from this nexus of radical elements against the present establishment.

To understand the grand design or the big picture of these radical elements, one needs to go through a strategy blueprint titled ‘Urban Perspective’. Prepared in 2004, by CPI (Maoist), the banned ultra-left outfit in India, this document gives threadbare details of the plan to use urban spaces, especially university campuses to create a strong base for ‘Urban Naxals’. The ultimate aim is to create chaos so that the Naxals can take over the Indian state. This document came into light in 2018 when Pune Police arrested a group of ‘Urban Naxals’ from five different cities.

The new strategy of this nexus focuses on a six-stage approach called SAARRC – survey, awareness, agitation, recruitment, resistance and control. The first stage of this strategy was completed by identifying the target groups, potential areas of discontent and flash-points in urban areas.

The second and third stage is currently under progress. That is why we are witnessing violent incidents in the University campuses. In a detailed article in Mainstream Weekly titled ’Metastasis of Naxal Network in Urban India’ author Sudhansu Bhandari details Naxal urban strategy. He writes:

“This is achieved through the creation of the following types of frontal organisations":

(1) Secret revolutionary mass organisations, (2) Open and semi-open revolutionary mass organisations, and (3) Open legal mass organisations, which are not directly linked to the party. Urban work within the third type of organisations can further be subdivided into three broad categories: (a) fractional work, (b) partly-formed cover organisations, and (c) legal democratic organisations.”

To understand further, one needs to look at the historical context also. As an ideology wherever Left has been influential, there has been unabated violence. ‘The Balck Book of Communism: Crime, Terror, Repression’ provides a detailed account of the macabre tactics of the left:

“Many archives and witnesses prove conclusively that terror has always been one of the basic ingredients of modern Communism. Let us abandon once and for all the idea that the execution of hostages by firing squads, the slaughter of rebellious workers, and the forced starvation of the peasantry were only short-term “accidents” peculiar to a specific country or era. Our approach will encompass all geographic areas and focus on crime as a defining characteristic of the Communist system throughout its existence”

It further gives details of the number of people killed by the Communist regimes globally.

“The following rough approximation, based on unofficial estimates, gives some sense of the scale and gravity of these crimes":

USSR: 20 million deaths
China: 65 million deaths
Vietnam: 1 million deaths
North Korea: 2 million deaths
Cambodia: 2 million deaths
Eastern Europe: 1 million deaths
Latin America: 150,000 deaths
Africa: 1.7 million deaths
Afghanistan: 1.5 million deaths
The international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power: about 10,000 deaths
The total approaches 100 million people killed.”

One look at the above numbers reveals the reason behind violence on campuses unleashed by the Left. It has become even more lethal than ever before because now they have a nexus with the Islamic fundamentalists also. Together they are unleashing violence on campuses of Indian universities. The sooner this nexus is broken, the better it would be for Indian universities as well as society.

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Particular point like checking plumbing?

Ok I maybe wasting my time here but I will still try to see if intellectuals can understand basic process.

-Illegal immigrants are not qualified for citizenship, ever, PERIOD.
-Truck load of any people claiming whatever won't get citizenship by mere claims.
-Process which largely deals with citizenship is 'Naturalisation'. A mere one time reading of it will tell you that you don't get citizenship by virtue of religion and none is denied on basis of religion (the lie you tried to spread before).


Now how immigrants get citizenship of India by Naturalisation (refugees and others).

- Reside in India for 11 years (continuously or in part) + 12 months continuously from application. So total 12years.

- Muslims or Hindus from any country (except Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan) needs to follow same procedure i.e. reside in India for 12years for citizenship.

- Six communities (Sikh, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, Parsi and Christians) from three 'Islamic' states namely Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan will get citizenship in 6years (5+1) instead of 12 (11+1).

- Every other religion or person will still get it in same time as before, no change at all. Muslims from these three 'Islamic' states will get it via normal way as they were used to get it before CAA.

Now coming to you truck load of Muslims claiming Hindus entering India. They will be required to show the papers like always, in every single country of world. If they entered legally they can register for naturalization, stay in India for requisite period of time, produce the documents and become Indian citizens.

If they entered illegally they will be jailed, again like every other country, prosecuted and deported.

This is the set process, every country follow it, Indian genius who strip themselves naked for mere Visa of other country, submit even bank statement are somehow amazed that how can you ask for identity of a person.

Hypocrites or too dumb?

How difficult is it for lungis to get Hindu papers? In Bangladesh. When they get Aadhaar, ration and voter ID in India?

Stop being a theoretical intellectual.

The brilliance of your intellect is dazzxling me on the dusty streets I scrounge on.

Cheers, Doc

Refugees will be banned from going back to these three countries again.
 
Given a chance, I'd love to forego STEM studies for a dint in JNU Or TISS. Apparently, you can pursue your PhD on courses like multiple genders for years till you're in your late 30's & earn a substantial stipend while availing of subsidized hostel & mess facilities besides conducting experiments like how ppl with hairy arses can wear minis & consider themselves of non binary gender or genderless. Pls note @Guynextdoor


According to Makrand Paranjpe, there exists a certain incestous relationship there between such PhD aspirants & JNU for a good number of them go on to become professors & live out their lives in the campus thus.


Meenakshi Sharan (@meenakshisharan) Tweeted:
इसके पिताश्री ने भी यही हाल बनाया होता तो ये पैदा ही नहीं होता.. ख़ैर, इन जैसों की आबादी घटाने के लिए, ये भी अच्छा है!
Worthless #JNU 🤦‍♀️ Meenakshi Sharan on Twitter ( )

In the event, I wasn't exaggerating. Truth, in JNU, is stranger than fiction.

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Why Indian Universities are witnessing violence

Delhi
Jan 08, 2020, 01.45 PM(IST)
Written By: Arun Anand
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Police gather outside a gate of the Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) following clashes between student groups in New Delhi on January 5, 2020.Photograph:(AFP)

Story highlights : The violence which we are witnessing in university campuses is actually a manifestation of the push back from radical elements against the present establishment.

The violent clashes that took place in internationally acclaimed Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) in the Capital of India on January 5, was a part of the chain of well-planned events. A few weeks ago, similar violence was unleashed by groups of students asking rollback of the Citizenship Amendment Act in Jamia Millia Islamia University in Delhi. The Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) has also witnessed similar incidents.

The reason for this backlash is simple. The Left and the Islamic fundamentalists have been marginalised electorally, politically and institutionally in India. This started with Narendra Modi-led government coming to power in 2014. Modi government ensured that the Left and the Islamic fundamentalists should stop feeding on state’s resources, so they gradually made to move them out of the government’s institutions where they had been well entrenched for decades.

The resounding victory of Modi and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in 2019 general elections sounded a final death knell for the ecosystem built by the radical elements through government resources. University campuses are the only space where the Left and the Islamic fundamentalists still remain entrenched. Thus the violence which we are witnessing in the university campuses is actually a manifestation of the push back from this nexus of radical elements against the present establishment.

To understand the grand design or the big picture of these radical elements, one needs to go through a strategy blueprint titled ‘Urban Perspective’. Prepared in 2004, by CPI (Maoist), the banned ultra-left outfit in India, this document gives threadbare details of the plan to use urban spaces, especially university campuses to create a strong base for ‘Urban Naxals’. The ultimate aim is to create chaos so that the Naxals can take over the Indian state. This document came into light in 2018 when Pune Police arrested a group of ‘Urban Naxals’ from five different cities.

The new strategy of this nexus focuses on a six-stage approach called SAARRC – survey, awareness, agitation, recruitment, resistance and control. The first stage of this strategy was completed by identifying the target groups, potential areas of discontent and flash-points in urban areas.

The second and third stage is currently under progress. That is why we are witnessing violent incidents in the University campuses. In a detailed article in Mainstream Weekly titled ’Metastasis of Naxal Network in Urban India’ author Sudhansu Bhandari details Naxal urban strategy. He writes:

“This is achieved through the creation of the following types of frontal organisations":

(1) Secret revolutionary mass organisations, (2) Open and semi-open revolutionary mass organisations, and (3) Open legal mass organisations, which are not directly linked to the party. Urban work within the third type of organisations can further be subdivided into three broad categories: (a) fractional work, (b) partly-formed cover organisations, and (c) legal democratic organisations.”

To understand further, one needs to look at the historical context also. As an ideology wherever Left has been influential, there has been unabated violence. ‘The Balck Book of Communism: Crime, Terror, Repression’ provides a detailed account of the macabre tactics of the left:

“Many archives and witnesses prove conclusively that terror has always been one of the basic ingredients of modern Communism. Let us abandon once and for all the idea that the execution of hostages by firing squads, the slaughter of rebellious workers, and the forced starvation of the peasantry were only short-term “accidents” peculiar to a specific country or era. Our approach will encompass all geographic areas and focus on crime as a defining characteristic of the Communist system throughout its existence”

It further gives details of the number of people killed by the Communist regimes globally.

“The following rough approximation, based on unofficial estimates, gives some sense of the scale and gravity of these crimes":

USSR: 20 million deaths
China: 65 million deaths
Vietnam: 1 million deaths
North Korea: 2 million deaths
Cambodia: 2 million deaths
Eastern Europe: 1 million deaths
Latin America: 150,000 deaths
Africa: 1.7 million deaths
Afghanistan: 1.5 million deaths
The international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power: about 10,000 deaths
The total approaches 100 million people killed.”

One look at the above numbers reveals the reason behind violence on campuses unleashed by the Left. It has become even more lethal than ever before because now they have a nexus with the Islamic fundamentalists also. Together they are unleashing violence on campuses of Indian universities. The sooner this nexus is broken, the better it would be for Indian universities as well as society.

Why Indian Universities are witnessing violence

Lol

Pushback by radical elements.

I stopped reading the sanghi shill piece post that line.

Cheers, Doc
Refugees will be banned from going back to these three countries again.

How is this relevant to the discussion me and @BlackOpsIndia were having.

The lungis did not come here to go back.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Meenakshi Sharan (@meenakshisharan) Tweeted:
इसके पिताश्री ने भी यही हाल बनाया होता तो ये पैदा ही नहीं होता.. ख़ैर, इन जैसों की आबादी घटाने के लिए, ये भी अच्छा है!
Worthless #JNU 🤦‍♀️ Meenakshi Sharan on Twitter ( )

In the event, I wasn't exaggerating. Truth, in JNU, is stranger than fiction.

@Milspec ; @Guynextdoor ; @suryakiran ; @randomradio ; @Aravind ; @BlackOpsIndia
I really don't care about the appearence of anyone, especially with very little understanding of Trans people if this is one of them.
What bothers me not just about this one individual but the following about entire protest surrounding this entire Award Wapsi/JNU sedition/CAA/ and now this.

1> Horrible group of spokespersons from the government's side on key issues, while TV spokespersons are masquerading as ministers.
2> Absolute incompetence of Law enforcement across the states giving more fodder to anti-establishment through lynchings, rapes, lawlessness on the streets.
3> Poor media management, where most of bigwigs media are vociferously anti-Modi and will go to any extent to malign him, even if it means portraying India 10 times worse than Syria. Modi might have a big Media section that supports him, but he's got quantity, not quality. Most reporters who are perceived as best in the industry are vehemently and overtly anti-Modi, and he hasn't done anything to either build bridges.
4> Incompetent lower rung leaders chopping the legs of the organization with their crass and mindless comments, and top leadership continually ignoring these discretions.
5> General pliability of Media and how easy it portrays a divided society to the rest of the world. This government doesn't seem to understand the long term damage of a Time magazine article or a WaPo piece or videos of student protests and making enemies in international media. how it defames the country and destroys the great work done across the years.
 
I really don't care about the appearence of anyone, especially with very little understanding of Trans people if this is one of them.
What bothers me not just about this one individual but the following about entire protest surrounding this entire Award Wapsi/JNU sedition/CAA/ and now this.

1> Horrible group of spokespersons from the government's side on key issues, while TV spokespersons are masquerading as ministers.
2> Absolute incompetence of Law enforcement across the states giving more fodder to anti-establishment through lynchings, rapes, lawlessness on the streets.
3> Poor media management, where most of bigwigs media are vociferously anti-Modi and will go to any extent to malign him, even if it means portraying India 10 times worse than Syria. Modi might have a big Media section that supports him, but he's got quantity, not quality. Most reporters who are perceived as best in the industry are vehemently and overtly anti-Modi, and he hasn't done anything to either build bridges.
4> Incompetent lower rung leaders chopping the legs of the organization with their crass and mindless comments, and top leadership continually ignoring these discretions.
5> General pliability of Media and how easy it portrays a divided society to the rest of the world. This government doesn't seem to understand the long term damage of a Time magazine article or a WaPo piece or videos of student protests and making enemies in international media. how it defames the country and destroys the great work done across the years.

Largely agree with most of your points but from the diametric opposite side of the table ... which is I do not trust them or their agenda or their core drivers and motives and I do not see them as benign nationalists working for India and all Indians as a whole.

That apart, the outer manifestations you've described are evident to all.

The economy hatchet job is another thing we agree on. Pure incompetence of those wildly out of their depth. Coz those who are qualified are sidelined as power centers and potential threats to supreme leader and goon in chief duo's hold at the top.

On the media I do disagree though.

The main media houses are bought out. Arnab degenerated into a shill. Nothing more. Which was a tragedy for me as he is my generation and I saw a lot if me in him. For the nation. Till he let his Assamese side take over. I do not grudge him for that. Coz that's the flavour of India this decade. Every man for himself and his little group. That's how I became a hyper Zoroastrian from a hyper Indian.

But the media goes where the people go. Plain n simple. And money comes second. Kyunki viewership par unki dukaan chalti hai.

So the clear shift and swing I'm beginning to notice even in Time Now, as well as increasingly the Times Of India, is a sign of how this mammoth juggernaut called India is beginning to swing.

The hardcore will of course have a million theories and whataboutisms. It does not matter.

I'm old enough canny enough and intelligent enough to read the signs.

And it gels well with what I want for my country and my people. So ...

Accha hai.

Cheers, Doc
 
I really don't care about the appearence of anyone, especially with very little understanding of Trans people if this is one of them.
What bothers me not just about this one individual but the following about entire protest surrounding this entire Award Wapsi/JNU sedition/CAA/ and now this.

1> Horrible group of spokespersons from the government's side on key issues, while TV spokespersons are masquerading as ministers.
2> Absolute incompetence of Law enforcement across the states giving more fodder to anti-establishment through lynchings, rapes, lawlessness on the streets.
3> Poor media management, where most of bigwigs media are vociferously anti-Modi and will go to any extent to malign him, even if it means portraying India 10 times worse than Syria. Modi might have a big Media section that supports him, but he's got quantity, not quality. Most reporters who are perceived as best in the industry are vehemently and overtly anti-Modi, and he hasn't done anything to either build bridges.
4> Incompetent lower rung leaders chopping the legs of the organization with their crass and mindless comments, and top leadership continually ignoring these discretions.
5> General pliability of Media and how easy it portrays a divided society to the rest of the world. This government doesn't seem to understand the long term damage of a Time magazine article or a WaPo piece or videos of student protests and making enemies in international media. how it defames the country and destroys the great work done across the years.
Trans people? It's a sick joke. My nephew showed me his Instagram account a few days ago & the kind of BS being peddled there against the Trans bill. It's a full mob of urban cosmo crowd of late teens up until 25 year olds - men & women who're up in arms. Some of the handles were unbelievable. Trans Ambedkar Periyar Christian Adivasi Liberal Gay Communist is how one of them described himself / herself. I kid you not. Apparently he / she is pursuing his / her PhD from TISS. And this is just one sample, I've come across .There are multitudes of them out there.I've a simple submission to make. Is this what a tax payers / my money is financing ? Are we sowing the seeds of our own destruction by educating such vermin? There's absolutely no talk of conciliation. Just agitation & confrontation with no constructive agenda.

This is also the gang in the forefront of the current protests. Are we to assume this group represents us? This is precisely the woke group that international news organizations are covering and who are using such intl organizations as platforms to unspool their larger agenda. Then, I ask you, is it the credibility of this government or that of these news organizations at stake. Arguably, these are the same news peddlers who're vehemently against Trump & whose collective wisdom dismissed him & his agenda. His becoming President shocked the daylights out of them & since then he's been the target of their unrelenting hostility.He's been crass enough to give as good as he gets. Witness him openly accusing CNN as a fake news peddler in press conferences as he fields questions from them. Modi, by contrast, is more dignified.He simply ignored the eminent press personalities , as you describe them.

Are we to assume this group is representative of middle America who've voted Trump in & whose collective wisdom these organizations claim to represent? They've described Baghdadi as austere religious scholar. I mean what more is left now, since we're reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel .
 
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I just have a feel for the media and the economy and at the outset, I admit that I am not an expert in either of these two areas. My views are just my views with very limited exposure in these areas.


Largely agree with most of your points but from the diametric opposite side of the table ... which is I do not trust them or their agenda or their core drivers and motives and I do not see them as benign nationalists working for India and all Indians as a whole.

That apart, the outer manifestations you've described are evident to all.

The economy hatchet job is another thing we agree on. Pure incompetence of those wildly out of their depth. Coz those who are qualified are sidelined as power centers and potential threats to supreme leader and goon in chief duo's hold at the top.

I don't see economy as bad as the media presents it to be. The best money managers in town, who have made billions for themselves and others are not economists and are positive about this regime, and given the macros do not play out syncretically, changes whether are long term or short term are difficult to decipher. My understanding of economic policies comes as a small investor, and it seems most of the problems that India is encountering today, came from connivance of UPA and ignorance of NDA, thus I see this government's incompetence but not malafide like that of their predecessors.

If the Government wakes up and brings in good minds, not Nobel Laurates but actual Money Managers and Industry leaders, organic restructuring will happen.

In short, I remain Bullish.


On the media I do disagree though.

The main media houses are bought out. Arnab degenerated into a shill. Nothing more. Which was a tragedy for me as he is my generation and I saw a lot if me in him. For the nation. Till he let his Assamese side take over. I do not grudge him for that. Coz that's the flavour of India this decade. Every man for himself and his little group. That's how I became a hyper Zoroastrian from a hyper Indian.

But the media goes where the people go. Plain n simple. And money comes second. Kyunki viewership par unki dukaan chalti hai.

So the clear shift and swing I'm beginning to notice even in Time Now, as well as increasingly the Times Of India, is a sign of how this mammoth juggernaut called India is beginning to swing.

The hardcore will of course have a million theories and whataboutisms. It does not matter.

I'm old enough canny enough and intelligent enough to read the signs.

And it gels well with what I want for my country and my people. So ...

Accha hai.

Cheers, Doc

Arnab, to me, is just a smart media personality, where he understood early that he needs to separate himself from the herd and build his own brand. He chose nationalism + Bill-O-Rielly Fox News, Model, a tried and tested one. It's paying off. Also, remember Arnab comes from a BJP family. Arnab molded Times, and Vineet Jain; and if we have learned anything from Sahu Jain Enterprise, they are ruthless business types. They will flex in the direction they know thier cash flows will be secure for the long term, right now it's the NDA, they are less subtle version of NDTV, but the business model for the news arm is identical.
 
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I just have a feel for the media and the economy and at the outset, I admit that I am not an expert in either of these two areas. My views are just my views with very limited exposure in these areas.




I don't see economy as bad as the media presents it to be. The best money managers in town, who have made billions for themselves and others are not economists and are positive about this regime, and given the macros do not play out syncretically, changes whether are long term or short term are difficult to decipher. My understanding of economic policies comes as a small investor, and it seems most of the problems that India is encountering today, came from connivance of UPA and ignorance of NDA, thus I see this government's incompetence but not malafide like that of their predecessors.

If the Government wakes up and brings in good minds, not Nobel Laurates but actual Money Managers and Industry leaders, organic restructuring will happen.

In short, I remain Bullish.




Arnab, to me, is just a smart media personality, where he understood early that he needs to separate himself from the herd and build his own brand. He chose nationalism + Bill-O-Rielly Fox News, Model, a tried and tested one. It's paying off. Also, remember Arnab comes from a BJP family. Arnab molded Times, and Vineet Jain; and if we have learned anything from Sahu Jain Enterprise, they are ruthless business types. They will flex in the direction they know thier cash flows will be secure for the long term, right now it's the NDA, they are less subtle version of NDTV, but the business model for the news arm is identical.

Most upper class/caste super educated upper crust Hindu families are BJP loyalists.

There is no surprise in that.

But they are as impactful at the polls as Congress loyalist upper crust Parsi families are.

The game lies in the trenches.

Cheers, Doc
 
But they are as impactful at the polls as Congress loyalist upper crust Parsi families are.

Modi, Trump, Putin and Xi bloc. Right now these four are running the world and supporting eachother. The political and oppistion parties in US and India can't see this happening as their levrage over the elite is gone.

I will recal when Natwar Singh mentioned that, Sonia used to take dictates from US before appointing a particularity portfolio in cabinet ministers. This is one reason, why Pranab Mukherjee couldn't be the PM. This was due to the old under the table deals done during 50 years of rule, with foreign powers.
Modi is some one which has changed all this and now he has tapped all the influential people and made them his good friends.

Shor to machega hi ab kyunki chal nahi rahi kisi or ki. ;)
 
Trans people? It's a sick joke. My nephew showed me his Instagram account a few days ago & the kind of BS being peddled there against the Trans bill. It's a full mob of urban cosmo crowd of late teens up until 25 year olds - men & women who're up in arms. Some of the handles were unbelievable. Trans Ambedkar Periyar Christian Adivasi Liberal Gay Communist is how one of them described himself / herself. I kid you not. Apparently he / she is pursuing his / her PhD from TISS. And this is just one sample, I've come across .There are multitudes of them out there.I've a simple submission to make. Is this what a tax payers / my money is financing ? Are we sowing the seeds of our own destruction by educating such vermin? There's absolutely no talk of conciliation. Just agitation & confrontation with no constructive agenda.
Again as I said, I have no problem with anyone's appearance and very little understanding of Trans issues, and I apologize for my ignorance. The closest I can understand is the serious plight of hijras and their exploitation. So any bill that helps them out, I am all for it and NDA's manifesto has that as a key item.

Now the woke crowd in JNU and others, they are from a different planet and my views are clear on these.

Taxpayers money and it's the utilization; It's unfortunate but true that we do not have any say in it. Just like I cant that my money is used to finance buying Junk WZT's from Poland, you cant control it subsidizing students learning Ethiopian literature for 15 years in these esteemed colleges.
This is also the gang in the forefront of the current protests. Are we to assume this group represents us? This is precisely the woke group that international news organizations are covering and who are using such intl organizations as platforms to unspool their larger agenda. Then, I ask you, is it the credibility of this government or that of these news organizations at stake. Arguably, these are the same news peddlers who're vehemently against Trump & whose collective wisdom dismissed him & his agenda. His becoming President shocked the daylights out of them & since then he's been the target of their unrelenting hostility.He's been crass enough to give as good as he gets. Witness him openly accusing CNN as a fake news peddler in press conferences as he fields questions from them. Modi, by contrast, is more dignified.He simply ignored the eminent press personalities , as you describe them.

Are we to assume this group is representative of middle America who've voted Trump in & whose collective wisdom these organizations claim to represent? They've described Baghdadi as austere religious scholar. I mean what more is left now, since we're reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel .

American Politics And Indian politics, in my opinion, are miles apart. Indian electorate is much more politically engaged and conscious and I would like to believe the Collective intelligence of the electorate is far superior. The Woke group want's to draw parallels and fit hate trump narrative to Hate Modi canvas, but it's water and oil apart. Modi is a far superior politician, BJP is a far superior political organization, India is a far complicated country, and priorities of the respective electorates is light-years apart.

I saw the Wapo piece side by side, and these faux paus, will be forgotten, the general sentiment of Modi will remain. Remember a shitbag like bagdadi or gaddafi, will die and will be forgotten, Modi is here to stay for another 8.
 
Modi, Trump, Putin and Xi bloc. Right now these four are running the world and supporting eachother. The political and oppistion parties in US and India can't see this happening as their levrage over the elite is gone.

I will recal when Natwar Singh mentioned that, Sonia used to take dictates from US before appointing a particularity portfolio in cabinet ministers. This is one reason, why Pranab Mukherjee couldn't be the PM. This was due to the old under the table deals done during 50 years of rule, with foreign powers.
Modi is some one which has changed all this and now he has tapped all the influential people and made them his good friends.

Shor to machega hi ab kyunki chal nahi rahi kisi or ki. ;)

You confuse me man.

I cannot make out which side you roll with.

Problem straddling two boats lies in the eventual inelasticity of the perineum.

Cheers, Doc
 
Most upper class/caste super educated upper crust Hindu families are BJP loyalists.

There is no surprise in that.

But they are as impactful at the polls as Congress loyalist upper crust Parsi families are.

The game lies in the trenches.

Cheers, Doc

That's just a generalization.
 
That's just a generalization.

Largely true.

Of course there are many hypereducated upper crust Hindu families that are sangh haters as well.

Just like you have sanghi Parsi mavericks spreading toxicity in Congress traditionalist families.

But in the absence of hard numbers I deal in trends.

And the trend is Muslim, Christian and Sikh families vote Congress at the center, like Parsi families.

Hindu families vote BJP more than they do Congress. The difference or split usually along either class and caste lines within a region, and of course northern and southern lines pan India.

Cheers, Doc
 
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