Shortsighted, As I mentioned, faiths are specified to establish a reasonable classification.
Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry
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I will. I'm not jihadi so I won't go around burning people as first recourse. Or even second. I'll expect my govt to do it for me. I expect my govt to bring forth all the powers I've vested in it as a citizen and make sure these jihadis are razed to the ground. If they still won't do that, I'll do it myself. Because there's no other choice.
Here's the difference. The rioters had recourses left. They could have gone to court, their political parties were opposing BJP. And the trains they burnt? The didn't contain just people voted for BJP. What was their fault? They're fighting people who didn't even vote BJP to power in their own state.
After this week, I've come to believe only disproportionate, overwhelming state action can rein in these jihadis. Right now, our country has been put in stranglehold by politics to pursue such courses of action. Otherwise they'd have been treated the same way the Ram Rahim rioters were treated.
I believe a HR would let us pursue such punitive means towards jihadis.
Buddy, it's against the core ethos of our nation.
All religions are equal.
You cannot allow in people on the basis of religion.
Any religion.
Cheers, Doc
This sanghi vs secular as you put it, is just a news cycle construct.
Buddy, permit me.
We are a supposedly civilized country.
We cannot go around raping, butchering, burning people or private property.
If they do, they should be punished by the state.
You lay the blame at Jihadi Didi's doorstep.
But you vote Jihadi Didi to power term after term.
So now you feel a Hindu Rashtra would-be a good idea coz then Jihadi Didi and her thugs would not exist and Sanghi goons would take their place.
So why not vote BJP to power into your state as at the center within the existing framework?
Why is that missing your Rubicon?
Cheers, Doc
Please explain.
It's a very real and deep and hardened divide here on the ground.
Cheers, Doc
That's what I said. I'll keep voting BJP or any anti-jihad party to change the state govt. That's my first recourse.
I'll pursue and support any laws and measures that propose to control the jihadis and the illegals and damage their ecosystem.
I understand what's driving you completely. Honestly.
Eventually that's what will win.
Primal base personal drivers.
Cheers, Doc
I really don't have a dog in the race.
From the TV debate shows and the Parliament speeches I have seen, the following is my observation.
Bill crafted/ Acts Amended to protect refugees and create a path to Naturalization/Citizenship is not againt Article 14,
CAA doesn't claim one religion is superior to others (doesn't infringe equality), it rather does two things with simplicity:
1> Classification of the groups that have established the precedence of Religious persecution. This is an intelligible differentia that is specific to Islamic countries in the Indian subcontinent. i.e the groups specified are different from the professed state religion of these countries.
2>The Differential that is set by the classification of the groups is to identify the refugees who fled their home country to escape persecution, thus the classification is directly related to the objective of providing status relief to refugees in India.
CAA was aimed to alleviate citizenship requests for individuals who were victims of religious persecution. That is the scope, not Sectarian persecution (Shia, Ahmadi), Political Persecution (Sindhi, Baloch, Kashmiri, Hazara); For such cases the existing frame work for political asylum is still available to these cases.
The only place I see the SC striking down the bill is exclusion of Atheists as a classification group which faces the biggest challenge of the death penalty especially in Pakistan due to its Blasphemy Laws.
Now coming to NRC:
2019 election turnout by EC's own records about 900 million people were eligible to vote, i.e around 900 million people are above the age of 18. My assumption is there should be no problem in establishing their names in the national NRC, especially for the ones who have a PAN card, Aadhar Card, Passport, Voter Id, birth certificate, domicile cert, school LC, etc. I would suggest the government to conduct the NRC on similar lines to KYC for banks and brokerages.
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I don't represent or identify with either of the groups. I have no hatred or love for any ethnic, religious, or geographical classification. And I am not a lone voice, there a many like me.
I do not like administrative policies and rate of reforms of the current government, I do like a slight semblance of backbone in foreign policy by this government.
If this government does UPA like $hit to response to state-sponsored terror, it will be thrown out.
I meant you saying sanghi and secular being only a figment of the media.
There are no shades of grey such as yourself in India.
Cheers, Doc
Negative. There's no evidence of anyone being sentenced to death or persecuted on the basis of atheism in either of the counties listed in the CAA & if there are they'd be a miniscule minority. The act is designed to take care of them as well except their cases won't be fast tracked as compared to the other non Muslim minorities. The fact of the matter is that the CAA like the rescinding of Article 370 is a work of political genius which stays very much within the boundaries of the Constitution. That's what has the woke crowd so worked up. Besides, everyone from the Communists to the Congress have in the past spoken of the need to amend the CA on order to accommodate the persecuted Hindus from these nations. Besides its incumbent on every GoI to establish a NCR. That none of them have done so till date is telling of the sheer pusillanimous approach of these political parties with respect to the "protecting" the interests of the minorities here or more appropriately their vote bank.
Ok Guys. It's that time of the week again aka the weekend. Time to tune in to the daily ruminations of a tam brahm writhing as opposed to writing for The Caravan
Vidya (@VidyaKrishnan) Tweeted:
I don't understand how this govt has not fallen. What more will it take?
The economy is ruined, children are getting brutalized, women raped, soldiers used as canon fodder for election campaigns, he's threatened our citizenship... What more will it take? ( )
Vidya (@VidyaKrishnan) Tweeted:
I don't understand how this govt has not fallen. What more will it take?
The economy is ruined, children are getting brutalized, women raped, soldiers used as canon fodder for election campaigns, he's threatened our citizenship... What more will it take? ( )
Sure, but Muslims openly identifying as atheist in Pakistan would be an open invitation to violence, considering the state’s blasphemy laws are interpreted to outlaw apostasy, coupled with the National Database and Registration Authority’s (NADRA) refusal to let citizens officially change Islam as their religion.
Pakistan’s War on Atheism
Identifying yourself as Hindu might not bring about immediate legislative discrimination, but identifying yourself as athiest brings about immediate state coercion.
One lesson for Modi-Shah to learn is the Economy and its state is paramount. Everything else is secondary.
And how do you think this government has done on that?
It's pretty telling that someone with no horse in the race hyphenates Modi with Shah
Maun ki baat ...
Cheers, Doc
Just saw DNA on Zee News. Guess what? Indian constituent assembly debated for three years the inclusion of word SECULAR in our constitution and finally rejected it. One of the strongest opponents were Nehru and Ambedkar. In 1977, when 42nd amendment was made to include socialist secular words in the preamble of the constitution, No debate was held as nation was under Emergency and therefore constitution could not have been amended.
Once you insert secular to our constitution, there can be no reservation or religious minority and no laws based on religion can exist. But we are what we are. That is the reason I said that we can either be secular or a Hindu Rashtra. If muslims want their religion to survive in India than India can't be a secular nation. Only under a Hindu Rashtra they can have their religious rights.
Once you insert secular to our constitution, there can be no reservation or religious minority and no laws based on religion can exist. But we are what we are. That is the reason I said that we can either be secular or a Hindu Rashtra. If muslims want their religion to survive in India than India can't be a secular nation. Only under a Hindu Rashtra they can have their religious rights.
And the thakedars of the constitution are biased when Hindus get brutalised day in day out
Women raped - religion Hindu - ignore
Man lynched - religion Hindu - ignore
Mob violence on - religion Hindu - ignore
Attack on faith - religion Hindu - ignore
Propaganda has limits indian constitution was never secular , it was inserted in the 70s
First Indian constitution was written with hindu murals from Ramayan and Mahabharat , so the original constitution writers were dismissive of hindu mainstreaming ?
Don't answer , nobody is interested in BDSM offers
Forget about Hindus , we died , will continue to die at the hands of muzzis and Cristo
You bleatings only makes me wish muzxies and Cristo kill us faster
Technically we don't conform to French secular definitions.
Our form of secularism is technically definitionally (western) pluralism.
There cannot be a Hindu Rashtra in a nation where 300+ million do not identify as Hindu.
Cheers, Doc
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