Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

Look at my 2023 post; I said the failure of the SCAF (Future Combat Air System) would be announced at the end of Phase 1B, and that's exactly what happened. Macron dragged out the final decision because it was his pet project, and he'd had a lot of setbacks lately, but it wasn't Dassault's intention to launch a Phase 2 in cooperation with Airbus, which wasn't up to their standards. As for the Rafale A prototype, Dassault was nine months ahead of schedule. I'm not worried about the deadlines; Dassault has 9 billion in cash. They're working on their own funds, without saying so, but they present their projects as if they hadn't worked at all, which means the project is still being paid for by the state. Dassault simply advanced the money to avoid wasting time. Regarding the engine, the joint venture is continuing for now, but in my opinion, Safran will break off the partnership and develop the engine on its own.

I recently heard that Trappier wanted Phase 1 and 2 signed right from the beginning so they could get the TD funded instead of the German way of negotiating for each phase.

As for funding, yeah, HAL did the same for Mk1A and later billed it to the IAF. I think it's common.
 

Pentagon Wants Major F-35 Plus Up, Block 4 Acceleration


The Pentagon’s fiscal 2027 budget request includes a major increase in F-35 procurement and spares after last year’s reduction, and the department is betting the funding can speed up fielding the long-awaited Block 4 upgrade.

The request seeks to procure 85 of the Lockheed Martin fighters—38 F-35As, 37 F-35Cs and 10 F-35Bs—for a total cost of $21.4 billion.

The request also makes procuring spares and funding the upgrades a major priority.

“F-35s have been underfunded in the past as part of the budget,” Jules Hurst, who is performing the duties of the Pentagon’s comptroller, said April 21. “We’re increasing F-35 spare parts funding. We’re going to move the [mission capable] rate up.”


Much of the funding is in the Pentagon’s request for a mandatory reconciliation package, in addition to the $1.15 trillion topline.

Included in the breakout of the reconciliation request is $324 million to accelerate the purchase of 200 Block 4 upgrade kits. This, the Pentagon says, will accelerate installations on the aircraft and shift the first fleet delivery to 2030 from 2031. The major Block 4 upgrade package has long been delayed, with the Joint Program Office shifting its requirements and fielding plan to try to bring it on more quickly. The Government Accountability Office in September 2025 announced the 2031 date, a five-year delay from the original timeline.

More than half of the F-35s to be procured are in the mandatory rather than the base request, with $6.7 billion total for procurement. Other funding lines include $1.3 billion more for Block 4 and Power Thermal Management Upgrades, $260 million for the Engine Core Upgrade and a $759 million plus up that “fully funds aircraft quantities to the annual cost estimate 2025 cost position.”

The Department of the Navy’s request for 47 F-35s for both the Navy and Marine Corps is a doubling of its procurement, plus a $1.8 billion investment for sustainment to meet its mission readiness needs, says Rear Adm. Ben Reynolds, the deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for budget. The Air Force, meanwhile, is requesting 38 F-35As, plus $1.4 billion for initial spares in fiscal 2027.
 
The DOT&E report was released in March 2026, and the F-35 program is covered on pages 30–36.


Here is a slightly shorter analysis than the report itself:

The DOT&E report paints a picture of a program that is not merely behind schedule, but has become bogged down in a disconnect between production, software development, testing, and operational validation. We continue to produce aircraft, deliver them, modify them, and pile on interim standards, but without succeeding in transforming this industrial flow into a clearly validated combat capability. That, in essence, is the central problem. The F-35 is no longer in a situation where a one-off delay would temporarily prevent the arrival of a mature version; it is in a situation where the very way the program operates perpetuates the delay.

Where do we stand today? The harshest reality is that, by the end of FY25, no new combat capability had actually been put into service. The latest TR-2 version, 30R08, which was supposed to properly conclude this cycle, was unsuitable for a dedicated operational test for most of the year. As for TR-3, which was initially intended primarily as a hardware foundation to support Block 4, it failed to achieve a sufficient level of stability. We are therefore in a paradoxical situation: the old standard is not properly finalized, the transitional standard is not truly mature, and the future standard—Block 4 in the full sense—is not progressing at the necessary pace because the program’s energy is being absorbed by the stabilization of the transition itself.

This is the key point to understand: TR-3 appears, in theory, relatively minor when compared to the overall ambition of Block 4. On the software side, it is largely a rehost, and thus not a doctrinal or functional leap of the same magnitude as the Block 4 capabilities themselves. On the hardware side, the focus is on infrastructure: new computers, memory, displays, and then, looking ahead, the more complex issue of the ECU/PTMU and power generation. In other words, TR-3 is supposed to prepare the groundwork, not yet to truly expand it. Yet the program is already stalling on this groundwork. This means that the real difficulty of Block 4 is still partly obscured. As long as we’re struggling to stabilize the foundation, we don’t yet fully see the difficulty that will arise in integrating the more ambitious capabilities themselves. This is why the situation is more serious than a simple transition delay: the program hasn’t yet hit the main mountain, but is already stumbling on the access path.

How did we get here? First, through a clear underestimation of the complexity of integration. For a long time, the program seemed to operate under the assumption that one could maintain an agile development approach within a system extraordinarily burdened by cross-dependencies: mission software, hardware architecture, sensors, data fusion, simulation, flight testing, weapons integration, cybersecurity, and logistical support. In such a system, a modification that seems reasonable in isolation can trigger a cascade of side effects. The report’s data is highly revealing: the number of iterations is skyrocketing, deadlines are slipping, and even capabilities that previously functioned correctly sometimes cease to work properly in later versions. This is a sign of a poorly managed system in decline, and thus of a development architecture that fails to contain its own complexity.

Furthermore, the program committed what has almost become a classic sin of major Western programs: it allowed production and the political-industrial logic to outpace actual technical maturity. We accept aircraft, we organize temporary solutions, we stockpile, we retrofit, we trim capabilities to make the situation manageable in the short term, but this does not reduce overall complexity; it merely shifts it over time and often increases it. The TR-3 delivered with truncated software speaks volumes. It is a way to avoid a sudden halt, but it is also a way of implicitly acknowledging that we do not yet fully understand the system we are producing.

There is also a second layer of the problem: the test facilities themselves are inadequate or behind schedule. A program this complex cannot be turned around if its testing infrastructure is inadequate. Yet this is precisely what DOT&E states: a lack of properly configured OT aircraft, insufficient instrumentation, a fragmented schedule, an immature JSE, an insufficient number of FIABs, incomplete cyber tests, and dynamic RCS measurements that have not been carried out. This means that the program is not only struggling to produce a stable version; it is also struggling to quickly and clearly determine what actually works, under what conditions, and at what level of robustness. This leads to a vicious cycle: unstable development, delayed testing, late discovery of defects, late fixes, new regressions, and new iterations.

What should have been done? Ideally, a much stricter discipline should have been adopted earlier regarding production, hardware transition, and ramp-up. In short: freeze more, sequence more, and reject for longer the fiction that everything could progress simultaneously. TR-3 should have been treated as a genuine platform stabilization program, with strict release criteria, rather than as a mere technical milestone assumed to be quickly surmountable. The program should also have been equipped earlier with testing resources commensurate with its ambition: more OT aircraft, a JSE/FIAB architecture designed as a central pillar rather than an add-on, better tools for monitoring real-world operational instabilities, and above all, an absolute priority given to software robustness before piling on new features.

More fundamentally, it should have been acknowledged that an aircraft already extremely ambitious in its initial version is not a platform that can be extended indefinitely without increasing complexity costs. The program’s implicit dream was to combine mass production, continuous software evolution, hardware transition, weapons integration, engine modernization, and mission expansion—all under the banner of agility. This was likely too ambitious. A more realistic approach would have been to accept clearer milestones, with genuine technical milestones before moving on to a new phase.

What can be done now? First, we must likely abandon any illusion of a quick and clean catch-up. The program will not recover through mere extra effort or a few better-targeted patches. It must be viewed as engaged in a phase of structural recovery, not just incremental correction. This requires refocusing priorities. The top priority must be the genuine stabilization of a usable, instrumented, testable, and sustainable standard, even if this means temporarily setting aside some of the rhetoric about the speed of delivery for future capabilities. Until the foundation is stabilized, Block 4 will remain, in part, a catalog of promises rather than a credible roadmap.

Next, the various projects likely need to be more clearly separated. The program would be wise to mentally and industrially distinguish at least four issues: the stability of the mission software, OT/JSE validation, the TR-3 hardware transition, and the more extensive energy and propulsion modernization, particularly regarding the ECU/PTMU and power generation. As long as these issues remain politically lumped together under a single narrative of continuous progress, each masks the difficulty of the other. In particular, on one essential point: as long as TR-3 is not stabilized, the real difficulty of Block 4 remains partially hidden; and as long as the fundamental power and thermal issues are not properly resolved, the long-term hardware ambitions also remain underestimated.

We must also accept that part of the problem will not be solved by software alone. The F-35 program has often given the impression that almost any difficulty could be absorbed through software iterations. Yet when we deal with computing power, thermal dissipation, power supply, and equipment growth margins, we leave the realm of elegant fixes. We enter the realm of physical trade-offs. And these trade-offs are slow, costly, industrial, and sometimes doctrinal. The program will not get out of this mess until it explicitly addresses this reality.

When will we get out of this? We need to distinguish between three levels. We can get out of the worst of it—that is, return to a TR-3 standard that is roughly stable and sufficiently testable—relatively soon on the scale of a major program, likely within a few years if priorities are tightened and testing resources actually follow through. On the other hand, getting out of the current gray area—where we’re delivering but without fully validated capabilities—will require more than just a simple transition to 40R03: it will take a coherent sequence of validation, correction, and consolidation. Finally, truly breaking out—that is, having a mature, credible, and sustainably viable Block 4 backed by a stable power/thermal solution—will take significantly longer. The danger lies precisely in declaring that we’ve escaped the mess as soon as an intermediate milestone appears to have been crossed, when in reality the core of the difficulty has simply shifted elsewhere.

In summary, my view is as follows. The F-35 program is not merely facing a version delay; it is in a crisis of technical governance of complexity. TR-3 was supposed to be a transition. It has become a revealing indicator. It shows that the architecture for development, testing, and industrialization is already struggling to absorb a preparatory evolution, which requires us to view the stated ambitions for Block 4 itself with great caution. The program will likely eventually regain some form of stability, because it has considerable industrial, budgetary, and political backing. But it will not quickly regain the credibility of a program that progresses in a linear fashion. The way out of the crisis will come less from an acceleration than from a re-learning of technical discipline: stabilize, test properly, sequence, and only then add.
 
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The AN/APG-85 AESA radar system could enter service by mid-2028—ending a shameful period of aircraft being delivered with ballast in their noses instead of electronics.


The US Air Force expects one of the most important upgrades to the F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter jet to come earlier than anticipated.
According to the Air Force’s Fiscal Year 2027 (FY27) budget, Northrop Grumman is expected to deliver the AN/APG-85 radar in April 2028—nearly a year earlier than had been initially anticipated, though still considerably late overall.

The AN/APG-85 Radar Is Coming Soon

The AN/APG-85 radar—set to replace the Lightning II’s existing AN/APG-81 radar—is expected some nine months earlier than previously planned. “APG-85 just in time advance procurement for long lead materials is required two years in advance due to APG-85 manufacturing timelines and F-35 aircraft lot insertion schedule,” the Air Force wrote in its procurement budget proposal.

The AN/APG-85 is an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system that provides long-range detection and tracking of air targets, including enemy fighter jets, incoming missiles, and unmanned aerial systems. Critically, the radar brings new air-to-ground detection capabilities to the plane, providing the pilot with high-resolution imaging of ground targets. This is intended to improve the F-35 as an intelligence-gathering asset on the battlefield. The new radar, in combination with the F-35’s stealth capabilities and its “Link 16” systems allowing it to easily transmit data to friendly air, ground, and naval units, helps to make the F-35 a “quarterback of the skies.”

The advanced radars are not cheap, coming in at some $9 million each. The Air Force has requested $335 million for 38 of the systems, including two years of advance procurement funding.

However, the radars are not part of an existing F-35 contract, requiring their inclusion in the Air Force’s request for supplemental funding. If the budget is approved by Congress, Northrop Grumman could get a contract for the radar before the year is out.

Even Though the Radars Are Early, They’re Still Late

The AN/APG-85 is part of the Block 4 modernization package for the F-35, which also includes advanced electromagnetic warfare capabilities and expanded weapons integration.

Though the AN/APG-85 radar is coming nine months earlier than anticipated, it is still far behind schedule. Indeed, the new radar has been delayed for a long enough period that the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps began accepting F-35 fighter jets without the radars. These jets have ballast in their noses in place of the missing radar, in order to keep them balanced. The fighter jets can still conduct basic flight operations without their radars, but are limited to solo flight training and cannot participate in combat training or actual operations.

The F-35 Lightning II is one of the most important investments made by the US military in its modern history. Overall, the F-35 program is expected to cost a jaw-dropping $2 trillion over its lifetime, according to the Government Accountability Office.

The immense price tag comes in part because the F-35 contains the capabilities of three different aircraft in the same platform. The stealth fighter jet’s three variants (A, B, and C) are designed for different purposes, but still broadly share performance characteristics and capabilities.
 
Fiscal Year 2027 (FY27) is Oct 26 - sept 27
There is going to be about 100 aircraft to fit the new radar to, They are also changing the attachment so either radar will fit
 
Fiscal Year 2027 (FY27) is Oct 26 - sept 27
There is going to be about 100 aircraft to fit the new radar to, They are also changing the attachment so either radar will fit

Does it matter to Australia though? RAAF is stuck with the APG-81 for at least 2 decades.
 
Does it matter to Australia though? RAAF is stuck with the APG-81 for at least 2 decades.
Not really, What makes you think we won't upgrade the radar, when it's released? The only thing that matters to AU is the upgrade, It looks like the block 4 upgrade to our fleet is US$16m, I don't think that includes the new radar @ US$9m, There isn't a lot of detail
 
Not really, What makes you think we won't upgrade the radar, when it's released? The only thing that matters to AU is the upgrade, It looks like the block 4 upgrade to our fleet is US$16m, I don't think that includes the new radar @ US$9m, There isn't a lot of detail

The APG-81 and 85 aren't interchangeable. That's why the Pentagon had to opt for ballasts instead of falling back to the 81.

I don't think RAAF's F-35s will get a new radar until MLU. At best in the 2040s.

A 4th squadron could have come with full B4 capabilties, but RAAF seems to be more interested in the F-47 and B-21 combo instead.

Dunno if you can recall, but I've always said RAAF should have upgraded the Hornets and waited for the F-35 to mature. The Canadians did thatand are likely to reap the benefits of patience.


Now RAAF is gonna upgrade the SH and wait for the F-47 instead.

The alternative is to expand the size of the air force so later block F-35s can come in too.
 
With the new bulkhead in lot 20, They will be interchangeable

RAAF Block 4 upgrade will be early 30's, The new radar will be ready late this year or mid next year

You only show what you don't know, with Canada buying our old hornets being a good idea, They were well worn-out

Though like Canada, USMC have some old Hornets that they upgraded, They were the First aircraft to get GaN radar and other cool stuff

I won't compare it to the Rafale, it wouldn't be fair for a plane of the same era and 3-4 designs ago to be better, it seems delayed to F5 for the new radar

The Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) is upgrading 36 to 38 of its CF-18 Hornet fighters with the Raytheon AN/APG-79(V)4 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. This Gallium Nitride (GaN)-based radar replaces the legacy APG-73, significantly improving target detection, tracking, and reliability. The upgrade is part of a US$862 million package intended to keep the "classic" Hornets operational until they are replaced. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

The USMC is upgrading its legacy F/A-18C/D Hornet fleet with the Raytheon Intelligence & Space (RI&S) AN/APG-79(V)4 radar, an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) system featuring Gallium Nitride (GaN) technology. This upgrade significantly improves detection range and tracking accuracy against enemy aircraft, aiming to sustain Hornet readiness until their 2030 retirement. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Details on the USMC Hornet GaN Radar Program:
  • Radar Model: The AN/APG-79(V)4 is a variant of the APG-79 used on Super Hornets, specifically tailored for the smaller legacy Hornet platform.
  • GaN Technology: The radar uses Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, allowing for increased operating speed, better cooling, and greater detection ranges compared to the legacy APG-73 radar.
  • Flight Testing & Deployment: The radar completed its first flight on a USMC Hornet in early 2022 at Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake. Deliveries began in December 2021.
  • Scope: The USMC plans to upgrade around 80+ legacy Hornets (F/A-18C/D) across multiple squadrons.
  • Contract Status: As of late 2021, the USMC awarded contracts worth over \(\$170\) million (combined total of multiple contracts) for these upgrades.
  • Benefits: This radar provides improved reliability, higher resolution mapping, and better situational awareness, crucial for air-to-air and air-to-surface missions. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
 
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With the new bulkhead in lot 20, They will be interchangeable

RAAF Block 4 upgrade will be early 30's, The new radar will be ready late this year or mid next year

The Lot 20 changes don't impact existing F-35s. While the Lot 16 and below will get retrofits, it meets the timeline I suggested.

The first RAAF F-35 flew in 2014, 20 years later it gets an upgrade. Seems pretty normal to me. Considering the bulk of the pre-Lot 17 fleet was operational by 2024, if retrofits are carried out from 2033 or so onwards alongside the new engine upgrade, it's effectively 15-20 years. It checks out.

The clue is in the Lot 20. A new bulkhead carrying both radars means they understand they cannot get rid of the APG-81 and jets will need to be compatible with both radars even in the future. This implies not all F-35s will get the APG-85 within any meaningful time even on new-builds.

You only show what you don't know, with Canada buying our old hornets being a good idea, They were well worn-out

It's called life extension. It's done all the time.

Though like Canada, USMC have some old Hornets that they upgraded, They were the First aircraft to get GaN radar and other cool stuff

I won't compare it to the Rafale, it wouldn't be fair for a plane of the same era and 3-4 designs ago to be better, it seems delayed to F5 for the new radar

The Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) is upgrading 36 to 38 of its CF-18 Hornet fighters with the Raytheon AN/APG-79(V)4 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. This Gallium Nitride (GaN)-based radar replaces the legacy APG-73, significantly improving target detection, tracking, and reliability. The upgrade is part of a US$862 million package intended to keep the "classic" Hornets operational until they are replaced. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

The USMC is upgrading its legacy F/A-18C/D Hornet fleet with the Raytheon Intelligence & Space (RI&S) AN/APG-79(V)4 radar, an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) system featuring Gallium Nitride (GaN) technology. This upgrade significantly improves detection range and tracking accuracy against enemy aircraft, aiming to sustain Hornet readiness until their 2030 retirement. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Details on the USMC Hornet GaN Radar Program:
  • Radar Model: The AN/APG-79(V)4 is a variant of the APG-79 used on Super Hornets, specifically tailored for the smaller legacy Hornet platform.
  • GaN Technology: The radar uses Gallium Nitride transmit/receive modules, allowing for increased operating speed, better cooling, and greater detection ranges compared to the legacy APG-73 radar.
  • Flight Testing & Deployment: The radar completed its first flight on a USMC Hornet in early 2022 at Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake. Deliveries began in December 2021.
  • Scope: The USMC plans to upgrade around 80+ legacy Hornets (F/A-18C/D) across multiple squadrons.
  • Contract Status: As of late 2021, the USMC awarded contracts worth over \(\$170\) million (combined total of multiple contracts) for these upgrades.
  • Benefits: This radar provides improved reliability, higher resolution mapping, and better situational awareness, crucial for air-to-air and air-to-surface missions. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]

Had RAAF done this upgrade themselves, they would have bought a few more years and gotten better spec'd F-35s instead.

Considering your primary enemy right now is China, you are quite lax about having a jet that will not be adequate against them in case of a war over Taiwan.

Had you upgraded Hornets and bought just 1 F-35 squadron between 2014 and 2024 and then quickly bought 2 more squadrons in 2025 and 2026, pretty much all your jets would have been China-ready. Now you've got none.

China's the problem. You would have been fine had it been Russia. Even then, Canada and Finland were far more serious by not buying into it so early on. And the bulk of Japan's F-35s, 100+ out of 147, will be the better spec'd versions with all the essential B4 hardware.

Just so you know, the Chinese have had GaN for a decade now. The PAF actually had GaN radars on their J-10Cs when they fought India last year.
 
It's called life extension. It's done all the time.
We already did the life extension, including center barrel replacement, They were just worn out, A few of the twin seat FA-18D were still ok
We monitored the used G hours, in A2A separately from G2G to get max life

Don't get upset, The Rafale will probably get its new radar in F-5, come the mid 30's That will be the same as the old hornet then
Though they may just throw a GaN antenna on the old radar, Like they did with AESA
 
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We already did the life extension, including center barrel replacement, They were just worn out, A few of the twin seat FA-18D were still ok
We monitored the used G hours, in A2A separately from G2G to get max life

Nope. RAAF got their Hornets from 1985-90. RCAF got theirs from 1982-88. Their jets are older and have gone through true life extension. RAAF Hornets exited as their initial life of 6000 hours expired.

RAAF jets left service from 2019-21. RCAF will still keep 2 squadrons operational until 2032.

Patience has allowed them to induct fully capable F-35s with all Block 4+ capabilities while RAAF is stuck with lemons that need retroffting over the next 15 years just to stay on par.

While Rafales will get GaN only in 2030, it's still going to be a lot faster than RAAF.
 
Don't get upset, The Rafale will probably get its new radar in F-5, come the mid 30's That will be the same as the old hornet then
Though they may just throw a GaN antenna on the old radar, Like they did with AESA
The GaN antenna on Rafales will be modular and will be ready by 28-29. It will have options to control uavs inbuilt in it. Spectra also will get an update during the same time based on the new radar. At least what I read online.
 
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