Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, So when DOT&E sit at a desk and write a report based on the data given by JPO, Anything negative, according to Herciv is gospel, Yet when something positive is said by JPO it's a "vested interest"

Congratulations @Herciv, you found another hit piece, At least doing this, keeps you busy
Once again, i would appreciate it if you can just answer this, you have been ignoring this question from before.
If that "discoloration" is not a problem why are spending money and time to minimize or eliminate it?
The *Vested interest* seems clear here.
Boeing also tried to show a more rosier picture than reality in their *report*.

Though how much do they pay you for you to suck them this hard?
 
Once again, i would appreciate it if you can just answer this, you have been ignoring this question from before.
If that "discoloration" is not a problem why are spending money and time to minimize or eliminate it?
The *Vested interest* seems clear here.
Boeing also tried to show a more rosier picture than reality in their *report*.

Though how much do they pay you for you to suck them this hard?
Who said it wasn't a problem? It's just not the problem people want it to be, It doesn't affect stealth, or is galvanic corrosion, Read the link Hercive put up, all the details are there and I have quoted from in several posts, that seem to fall on deaf ears

The problem is fixed now, they are applying the new coating, All this is yesterday's news and the article is from months ago

Again every report from DOT&E is from data given by JPO, You can't pick and choose what you want to say is true or false depending on your bias, anything bad it true, anything good is false
 
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India has reportedly rejected the U.S. offer to buy F-35 stealth fighter jets, signaling a clear shift in its defense strategy even as it weighs options to ease tensions sparked by President Donald Trump’s 25% tariff threat.


According to a Bloomberg report, New Delhi conveyed its disinterest in the high-end warplanes during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s February visit to the White House. Trump had pitched the F-35 sale as a key plank in deepening bilateral ties, but India prefers a model focused on joint design and domestic manufacturing over expensive off-the-shelf acquisitions.

The decision comes amid growing uncertainty in U.S.-India trade ties. Trump’s abrupt announcement of a 25% tariff on Indian goods—set to take effect August 7—has caught Indian officials off guard.


While the Modi government has ruled out immediate retaliation, it is actively evaluating ways to narrow its trade surplus with Washington, including ramping up imports of U.S. natural gas, gold, and communication equipment.


But no defense purchases are on the table, officials quoted in the report said, rejecting a key American ask. The F-35, one of the most advanced fighter jets in the world, has been a longstanding offer by the U.S. to India, seen as part of a broader push to counter China’s growing military presence in Asia. BT could not independently verify the claims made in the Bloomberg report.

India’s rejection marks a strategic pause on deep defense alignment. Instead, the focus is shifting toward self-reliance and indigenization under the government’s “Make in India” initiative. Officials say that any future military collaboration must include technology sharing and production within India.


Beyond defense, the broader relationship is under pressure. Trump’s claim that his diplomacy helped end the May ceasefire between India and Pakistan has been flatly denied by New Delhi. However, diplomatic channels remain open, with India still preparing to host the upcoming Quad leaders’ summit alongside the U.S., Japan, and Australia.


Former commerce secretary Ajay Dua told Bloomberg TV that India is in no position to promise major energy imports or outbound investment to the U.S., but added, “We need to be a little more accommodating in the ongoing negotiations.”
 
I'd sit on the fence till Trump is gone and see what replaces him, Having a lunatic and his minions in power isn't good, I still don't think that India will get rid of the S-400 and the closeness to Russian eyes is a thing
 
And I do think that after the UAE, India is a big country that proves that it prefers the Rafale to the F-35.
you are dreaming again, UAE wanted F-35, but didn't want to cut China, as was required, As to India, the Rafael isn't in this, it's wanting to go next gen , FCAS is possible, but unlikely to go ahead, Though the UK/JP 6th gen (my choice) or Sth Korean 5th gen would work
 
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you are dreaming again, UAE wanted F-35, but didn't want to cut China, as was required, As to India, the Rafael isn't in this, it's wanting to go next gen , FCAS is possible, but unlikely to go ahead, Though the UK/JP 6th gen (my choice) or Sth Korean 5th gen would work
It's a bit like saying that Switzerland wanted the Rafale but that US pressure and its threats on the Swiss banking system forced it to take F-35s.:ROFLMAO:

As for what India wants, we'll see what they take, but for now they have taken 62 Rafales and 0 F-35s, it's a good start for the Rafale!
 
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Highly unlikely that the F-35 will be ordered in this Fiscal year as was floated as per RUMINT. News articles and the present trade reset all point towards no major procurements from LM at this point in time. The news from a couple of days ago from California has further raised a few questions.

The same goes for the SU-57. It will not be happening this fiscal year. NATO collectively has stepped up sanctions etc. against the Russian Federation.

The ultimate winner in terms of getting a contract this year was definitely DA which closed a deal in April with IN.
 
It's a bit like saying that Switzerland wanted the Rafale but that US pressure and its threats on the Swiss banking system forced it to take F-35s.:ROFLMAO:

As for what India wants, we'll see what they take, but for now they have taken 62 Rafales and 0 F-35s, it's a good start for the Rafale!
Where have I ever said, India should buy the F-35? from my point of view , it's not a good idea
 
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The refueling of the F-35​
 
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It's a bit like saying that Switzerland wanted the Rafale but that US pressure and its threats on the Swiss banking system forced it to take F-35s.:ROFLMAO:

As for what India wants, we'll see what they take, but for now they have taken 62 Rafales and 0 F-35s, it's a good start for the Rafale!
Bad analogy but then again it is coming from a delusional person. Swiss never made a deal to buy Rafale they wanted a competition and when competition was over the report said Rafale was lacking just like the French report from French fighter pilot. Rafail finished behind the F-18E. Lol.

UAE had no competition they went all in on F-35 making deal with Trump, then sleepy Joe mucked it up which forced UAE to settle for sloppy seconds.

I know this is hard for you to accept but you need to put on your big boy pants and face reality.
 
Bad analogy but then again it is coming from a delusional person. Swiss never made a deal to buy Rafale they wanted a competition and when competition was over the report said Rafale was lacking just like the French report from French fighter pilot. Rafail finished behind the F-18E. Lol.

UAE had no competition they went all in on F-35 making deal with Trump, then sleepy Joe mucked it up which forced UAE to settle for sloppy seconds.

I know this is hard for you to accept but you need to put on your big boy pants and face reality.
So i just read about it in another forum.
If pakistan were to get j-35, how interested US would be in taking a sniff ?
Like electronic signature at the minimum?
 
So i just read about it in another forum.
If pakistan were to get j-35, how interested US would be in taking a sniff ?
Like electronic signature at the minimum?
About the same as Russia on the F-35, if it was sold to India
Bad analogy but then again it is coming from a delusional person. Swiss never made a deal to buy Rafale they wanted a competition and when competition was over the report said Rafale was lacking just like the French report from French fighter pilot. Rafail finished behind the F-18E. Lol.

UAE had no competition they went all in on F-35 making deal with Trump, then sleepy Joe mucked it up which forced UAE to settle for sloppy seconds.

I know this is hard for you to accept but you need to put on your big boy pants and face reality.
Half of the french air defense forum, was put on suicide watch, after they lost the swiss comp, It sounds like some are still having trouble
 
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Bad analogy but then again it is coming from a delusional person. Swiss never made a deal to buy Rafale they wanted a competition and when competition was over the report said Rafale was lacking just like the French report from French fighter pilot. Rafail finished behind the F-18E. Lol.

UAE had no competition they went all in on F-35 making deal with Trump, then sleepy Joe mucked it up which forced UAE to settle for sloppy seconds.

I know this is hard for you to accept but you need to put on your big boy pants and face reality.
The reality is that the F-35 lost 80 + 62 = 142 sales because neither the UAE nor India wanted an aircraft that is highly overvalued by L.M., the JPO and the American media and which costs 3 times more to run than what is promised.
 
The reality is that the F-35 lost 80 + 62 = 142 sales because neither the UAE nor India wanted an aircraft that is highly overvalued by L.M., the JPO and the American media and which costs 3 times more to run than what is promised.
Lol. Delusional as always. Let me slap and remind you with reality....

key points in the report:
  • Lack of stealth (VLO) is a key handicap. French forces may be relegated to a supporting role in coalitions, relying on allies with stealth fighters.
  • The Rafale struggles against 5th-gen stealth fighters in exercises; its sensors are insufficient for parity
  • only ~30 of ~ 200 Rafales would be available for sustained high-intensity combat

Rafale remains a capable multirole fighter, but it is not optimized for modern stealth-dominated warfare. It requires heavy modernization and integration into a networked, multi-platform force to remain viable against 5th-gen adversaries and contested airspace.

Here's more reality...

Selling a fifth-generation stealth fighter to the UAE only became a possibility following the signature of the Abraham Accords – a peace agreement between the Middle East state and Israel – just two months earlier. Brokered via the USA, the pact normalised relations between the nations, enabling direct commercial flights and the development of new trade links.

While the UAE has long been interested in the F-35A, which made its first Dubai flying display appearance two years ago, getting to this point took many twists.

They've always wanted it but was not made available so they flirted with other fighters until the F-35 was made available for UAE and when that happened they gave no second thought to other fighters including your 4th gen french fighter. They needed no competition flyoff like the Swiss and Fins they knew which one was the best. So keep living in your delusional world where the UAE had a competition between F-35 and Rafal and chose the frenchies, no sweat off my back if some french guy lives in la la land.
 
Lol. Delusional as always. Let me slap and remind you with reality....
What is crazy is the nonsense you talk and the worst thing is that you believe it because you are so immersed in an ocean of propaganda that is constantly refuted by serious studies and then by findings a few years later.

key points in the report:
  • Lack of stealth (VLO) is a key handicap. French forces may be relegated to a supporting role in coalitions, relying on allies with stealth fighters.
  • The Rafale struggles against 5th-gen stealth fighters in exercises; its sensors are insufficient for parity
  • only ~30 of ~ 200 Rafales would be available for sustained high-intensity combat
The Rafale is LO in form and VLO thanks to Spectra; it has nothing to envy the F-35 from this point of view: electronic stealth is far superior to form stealth because electronics evolve much faster than metalwork, and form stealth attenuates the radar return signal in only one direction, that of the transmitter, whereas electronic stealth can do so in all directions, thus defeating multistatic radars, while form stealth cannot. The contemporary Rafale is therefore on par with the F-35 in terms of stealth, and the Rafale F5 will have a considerable advantage over the F-35 Block 4 in this respect, even if we assume that the American dreams regarding the Block 4 ever come true.

The rest of your statements are pure lies; they come from too low a level to be noted. For example, from an availability point of view, a Rafale can replace up to 17 F-35s if both aircraft are in "Surge" mode.

Rafale remains a capable multirole fighter, but it is not optimized for modern stealth-dominated warfare. It requires heavy modernization and integration into a networked, multi-platform force to remain viable against 5th-gen adversaries and contested airspace.
The IFRI has no expertise in aeronautical technology, they only parrot the disinformation of the Anglo-Saxon media, which are the most influential media in the world. Contrary to what they say, the Rafale was a pioneer in data fusion and computer architectures that allow the advanced developments we need today and therefore does not have the considerable development difficulties experienced by the F-35, which always promises but never delivers. The Rafale development plan has been remarkable, giving us the aircraft we needed at every moment for a development cost 10 times lower than that of the F-35, and it will be capable of everything the F-35 promised long before it.
Here's more reality...

Selling a fifth-generation stealth fighter to the UAE only became a possibility following the signature of the Abraham Accords – a peace agreement between the Middle East state and Israel – just two months earlier. Brokered via the USA, the pact normalised relations between the nations, enabling direct commercial flights and the development of new trade links.

While the UAE has long been interested in the F-35A, which made its first Dubai flying display appearance two years ago, getting to this point took many twists.

They've always wanted it but was not made available so they flirted with other fighters until the F-35 was made available for UAE and when that happened they gave no second thought to other fighters including your 4th gen french fighter. They needed no competition flyoff like the Swiss and Fins they knew which one was the best. So keep living in your delusional world where the UAE had a competition between F-35 and Rafal and chose the frenchies, no sweat off my back if some french guy lives in la la land.
Of course they didn't organize a competition, who said that? But they realized that they weren't going to be able to use your plane as they would have liked and that its supposed performance wasn't up to scratch, so they took a more serious option. There was no competition, but there was a comparison, be sure of that.
 
I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, So when DOT&E sit at a desk and write a report based on the data given by JPO, Anything negative, according to Herciv is gospel, Yet when something positive is said by JPO it's a "vested interest"

Congratulations @Herciv, you found another hit piece, At least doing this, keeps you busy
I'm only a messenger. The one who are doing these hit pieces are F-35 by its own value. The only problem with me is that I consider scenario for F-35 that seems not valuble to you but become real few years later.

My main point point is that F-35 is not able to go at war. I'm considering real war not one or two weeks engagment due to its very bad sustainment chain considering its very bad conception (for example priority above all on passive stealth are by far a very bad choice that degrade a lot all other parameters).

Rafale can go at war not F-35.
 
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You have no point Herciv, just wishful thinking, Ask Iran what they think of the F-35, when Israel took them out
French horse drawn carts are so much better than automobiles, 😂
 
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You have no point Herciv, just wishful thinking, Ask Iran what they think of the F-35, when Israel took them out
French horse drawn carts are so much better than automobiles, 😂
Remember Nevatim hit by iranian missiles ? You dont't have to fight F-35 in air you just have to wait them grounded since they are not able to fly more than 15 hours per month.
 
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