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Yet still better than Rafale availability. Life is a mystery.
Rafale availability 50%
Full mission capability for Rafale SEAD/DEAD ...........0%

Then there is the chronic issue with the Rafale engine, that is singled out by the gov as an issue.
 
Yet still better than Rafale availability. Life is a mystery.
Rafale availability 50%
French air force Rafale, yes. But it's a financial choice.
The smaller Rafale M fleet has an incredible servicability rate, in the 90% rate.
Yet still better than Rafale availability. Life is a mystery.
Full mission capability for Rafale SEAD/DEAD ...........0%
NO. Hammer guided bomb/missile ans SCALP missile are able to make such mission.
I agree it's not the best weapons to do that.
so 0% ====> 50% ?
 
Since @Optimist is so obsessed about Frogs in general and Kermit in particular, thought I should post this video here for everyone's entertainment. As I was saying in my last post in this thread, China has caught up with US tech wise and the gap is narrowing every year. A very nice video by Euro Think-Tank @Binkov regarding US vs China air power:


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The frogs have an AESA radar too. Do you think they all have the same capability?
however china is already a peer threat and will only get better. they shouldn't be discounted.

I hope you don't mind that I didn't watch the video. It would have run along the similar lines of other 'euros are the best' US is schit
 
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The frogs have an AESA radar too. Do you think they all have the same capability?
however china is already a peer threat and will only get better. they shouldn't be discounted.

I hope you don't mind that I didn't watch the video. It would have run along the similar lines of other 'euros are the best' US is schit
No, no...no. Binkov is very balanced in his approach. In fact, having followed him for last several years, he is covertly pro-US(IMO).

Just give it a try, then form your opinion. Just because he is in form of a frog, don't discount him, lol.
 
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To bad for aussies. I think none of their f-35 will be deliver directly with TR3. Since first serial TR3 delivery will begin in 2024 (then not in LRIP15).
I recommend the whole article reading. It's a firework from the head of the JPO.
 
If we really cared, we would defer them. Here is something from the hearing. That I'm sure you won't be posting.

24:10 Wittman : I want to unequivocally state. That the f-35 will be the most advanced tactical aircraft, that the USA has ever built.


 
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Innominate What is really funny. Is that frogs think they are going to go, from the equivalent of a 1980's legacy hornet with AESA. To the FCAS, which they hope will be similar to the NGAD, in a single leap without any issues. They think it will be simple. 5th gen is hard, wait till they try 6th gen. Without any foundation to build on.
The Rafale program is over 40 years old and still substandard for a 4.5 gen.
 
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Innominate What is really funny. Is that frogs think they are going to go, from the equivalent of a 1980's legacy hornet with AESA. To the FCAS, which they hope will be similar to the NGAD, in a single leap without any issues. They think it will be simple. 5th gen is hard, wait till they try 6th gen. Without any foundation to build on.
The Rafale program is over 40 years old and still substandard for a 4.5 gen.
It's never going to happen. Their FCAS is nothing but a false hope same with India's AMCA which are in a worse position than Le Ribbits. It won't be long before India swallows its pride and ask the US for F-35's. It happened to Greece they got into Rafales bought just a handful and then said we want F-35's.

And I love the chutzpa of they will only take the F-35 if they have full autonomy to use it as they wish when these knuckle heads forget their cute Tejas fighter uses US engines and some components which carry a restriction on how they can be used. Restriction is all paperwork and the Pakistanis showed the world that by using their Vipers and shooting down an IAF Mig.............................. and possibly an MKI. :p
 
It's never going to happen. Their FCAS is nothing but a false hope same with India's AMCA which are in a worse position than Le Ribbits. It won't be long before India swallows its pride and ask the US for F-35's. It happened to Greece they got into Rafales bought just a handful and then said we want F-35's.

I personally think the Rafales can whoop the backsides of all your < 5th Gen FA which includes the F-15 series , the F-18 series & ofcourse the F-16.

And I love the chutzpa of they will only take the F-35 if they have full autonomy to use it as they wish when these knuckle heads forget their cute Tejas fighter uses US engines and some components which carry a restriction on how they can be used. Restriction is all paperwork and the Pakistanis showed the world that by using their Vipers and shooting down an IAF Mig.............................. and possibly an MKI. :p

No restrictions on the usage of any US made components in the Tejas else we'd have booted out the US long ago . If I were you I'd focus on how to defend Taiwan with the least loss to my assets sweetie for the way things are panning out looks like you're about to get into an existential war with the Chinese. No prizes for second place & you've had it even if you win.

To think you created the Frankenstein in the first place which brings me to a very interesting & little studied phenomenon - the presence of Trailer park tramps in the upper echelons of policy research & framing just like in your armed forces.
 
If we really cared, we would defer them. Here is something from the hearing. That I'm sure you won't be posting.

24:10 Wittman : I want to unequivocally state. That the f-35 will be the most advanced tactical aircraft, that the USA has ever built.


The most interesting is "will be"... and "tactical aircraft"
=> The bird is not mature, and far from. With the money spent on it, I hope it will be the most advanced...
=> He don't use the word fighter, but "tactical aircraft". I agree : it will never be a proper fighter, but an average tactical fighter to replace F16 in CAS and A10.
 

F-35 Engine Running Too Hot Due To ‘Under-Speccing,’ Upgrade Now Vital​

The F-35’s engine is having to work harder to cool and power the aircraft’s systems, leading to a logistical mess.
BYJOSEPH TREVITHICK|PUBLISHED MAR 30, 2023 5:41 PM EDT

The U.S. military sees planned engine upgrades for all the variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter as critical because the Pratt & Whitney F135 engines that power all of the aircraft have been "under spec since the beginning," according to the top officer in charge of the program. This means the engines have to routinely operate at higher-than-expected temperatures, which has led to costly increased maintenance and logistics requirements and hurt the F-35's overall readiness rates.

Senior U.S. military officials stressed the F135 engine's limitations while defending a plan to pursue an Engine Core Upgrade (ECU) effort before members of a subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee yesterday.

The Pentagon's Fiscal Year 2024 budget proposal, released earlier this month, revealed that the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps had decided not to seek an all-new engine for their F-35s, building on the Advanced Engine Transition Program (AETP), due high expected costs and technical hurdles. The Air Force has said that work done under AETP will feed into its follow-on Next Generation Adaptive Propulsion (NGAP) program.

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They also highlighted the importance of power and thermal management system (PTMS) improvements for the jets. This is essential for meeting the additional electrical power and cooling needs that the Technology Refresh-3 (TR-3) and Block 4 upgrade programs – both of which continue to suffer delays – will require.
"We compared these engines [options for the F-35], the AETP engine, the current engine, [and] modernization of the current engine," Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Schmidt, the current head of the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO), explained. He said his office also had done work on "identifying a significant power and thermal management system requirement, and we evaluated numerous options of power and thermal management systems to get us to various levels of cooling and power that is required."
"We have been eating into the life of this engine since the beginning of the program, because we did under-spec the engine and its requirements," he continued. "We are building costs into this program by eating into the life of this engine with additional overhauls that are expected over the life of the program."

The video below is of the complete hearing from yesterday. Lt. Gen. Michael Schmidt's comments about under-speccing start at around 1:02:00 mark in the runtime.


In his written testimony, the head of the F-35 JPO provided additional details on exactly what this means.
"The original program engine specification allocated 15 kW [kilowatts] of bleed air extraction to support system cooling requirements, and the F135 engine was designed, tested, and qualified to this specification with a level of margin available for future growth," Schmidt wrote. "During the final stages of initial aircraft development, air vehicle cooling requirements grew to exceed planned bleed air extraction."
"To provide the necessary bleed air, the engine is required to run hotter, and the program is realizing the effects of this through an increase in operating temperature, and a decrease in engine life, which is driving earlier depot inductions and an increase in lifecycle cost," the written testimony adds.

So, "I also have a derived requirement for power and thermal management, because I'm running out of power at the end of Block 4," Schmidt added when actually speaking during the hearing.

"Without upgrades, the addition of Block 4 capabilities will further degrade engine life and increase program lifecycle costs, because while the current TR-2 and TR-3 aircraft have sufficient cooling and power (while impacting the engine life as stated above), capabilities in Block 4 and beyond will increase cooling and power demands beyond current capabilities of the air system," he elaborated in his written remarks.
The three main F-35 variants are each powered by a different F135 sub-variant. The F135-PW-400 on the carrier-based F-35C differs from the F135-PW-100 in the F-35A primarily in its use of corrosion-resistant materials that are better suited to operations at sea. The short and vertical takeoff and landing-capable F-35B uses the F135-PW-600, which features an articulating exhaust nozzle and other features necessary to connect it to the large lift fan in the forward fuselage on that version.

The development of the F135, which was derived from the F119 engine that powers the F-22 Raptor stealth fighter, dates back to the late 1980s. The original plan was to develop an alternative engine for the F-35 family – the General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136 – but this was canceled in 2011 as a cost-cutting measure very late in its development process. With the benefit of hindsight, now including the revelation yesterday that the F135 has been under-specced the entire time, this has increasingly appeared to have been a short-sighted decision.
The F135-PW-100 and F135-PW-400 both have a stated maximum thrust rating, at full afterburner, of 43,000 pounds, according to Pratt & Whitney. The F135-PW-600 has a slightly lower maximum thrust rating of 41,000 pounds.

Issues with the F135 engine have already been increasingly apparent in recent years. A massive maintenance backlog emerged two years ago, which was blamed on a broad combination of factors, including the heat-protective coatings on the turbine blades in the engines wearing out sooner than expected.

Just between December and February 2023, deliveries of new F135s were halted amid the investigation into the causes of a dramatic accident involving an F-35B at Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth in Texas. The aircraft in question had been hovering during a test flight ahead of delivery to the U.S. Marine Corps when it dropped quality, hitting the ground hard and prompting the pilot to eject, as you can read more about here.

At yesterday's hearing, Lt. Gen. Schmidt confirmed previous reports that the primary cause of the December incident was traced to a "resonance issue between the main fuel throttle valve and the tube." He explained that a fix involving a modified "orifice" was subsequently developed and implemented.

Issues with the F135 have been further exacerbated by problems in securing adequate supplies of spare parts and a shortage of qualified maintainers, as you can read more about here. Bloomberg reported today that the readiness rate for all F-35s in U.S. service, collectively, is around 53.1 percent, more than ten percent lower than the target rate. It's unclear whether this is the full mission capable rate or if it reflects available jets with any degree of partial mission capability.

This is also notably substantially lower than the target of 80 percent that the Pentagon under Secretary of Defense James Mattis had attempted to set for all tactical combat jets starting in 2018.

However, U.S. government officials do not appear to have explicitly stated before that the engine itself is under-specced and has been the whole time.

Underscoring this point, in the course of the hearing yesterday, Donald Norcross, a Democratic Representative from New Jersey, mentioned a "cutting down to 1,600 hours" with regard to the F135. This would appear to be in reference to the target time between major scheduled maintenance on those engines, which has been said to be approximately 2,000 flight hours in the past. If this is indeed what Norcoss' figure refers to and it is accurate, this would mean that the U.S. military is only getting just over 75 percent of the expected life out of these engines before significant work has to be done.

U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Michael Cederholm, the Deputy Commandant for Aviation, also offered up additional details about the benefits of the ECU for the F135.

"On the Marine Corps perspective, what this engine core upgrade does is it gives us greater bring back capability to the boat. What does that mean? We can bring back 1,000 pounds more to the boat, which gives us life," he explained. "Fuel is life. Time on station is life for us. So that's why we are excited about the ECU and PTMS upgrades."

For Navy and Marine Corps F-35B and C pilots operating from the decks of aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships, having additional fuel reserves at the end of a sortie can be an extremely valuable extra margin of safety given the potential lack of alternative places to land. As Lt. Gen. Cederholm noted, that extra gas would allow the aircraft to have more time on station while conducting the missions, too. It could also help extend their operational range, another long-standing issue for F-35s.

It is also worth remembering here that the Marines are the only branch of the U.S. military to operate the F-35B, which uses the F135-PW-600 with its lower maximum thrust rating. Serious safety concerns about the F-35B's ability to maintain sufficient power to sustain vertical flight at high temperatures had previously emerged in 2019. The aircraft's manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, said at the time that it would implement a fix to the aircraft's flight software to address these issues.

As critical as it is, the ECU is still years away from becoming a reality. Lt. Gen. Schmidt said that the F-35 JPO is hoping the upgrades will start to be added to operational jets sometime between 2030 and 2032, but stressed that these dates were still very "notional." At the hearing, Andrew P. Hunter, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics separately said that he expected the development of the upgrade package to take at least between five and six years. The Air Force is the lead service in charge of the ECU program.
Schmidt warned that limitations with the current flight test infrastructure for the F-35 could be a limiting factor, and that this had already contributed to delays in the TR-3 upgrade package. The TR-3 improvements underpin the forthcoming Block 4 upgrades, as you can read more about here.

Development of TR-3 is now not expected to be finished until April 2024, a year later than expected. Lockheed Martin is hoping to be able to finish the work sooner, perhaps by December of this year, according to Schmidt. He further clarified that this goal is defined as being able to support TR-2-equivalent capabilities on a representative TR-3-configured aircraft. The additional Block 4 upgrade package is not currently expected to roll out until 2029.

It's also worth noting that the TR-3 upgrades, as well as the Block 4 improvements, will have to be integrated into older jets, as well as incorporated into new production ones after the development phase is completed. Rob Wittman, a Republican Representative from Virginia who is Vice Chairman of the Armed Services Committee and Chairman of its Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee, raised concerns at the hearing that this part of the lengthy upgrade process could leave F-35 units without sufficient aircraft to perform the missions.

There was a discussion during the hearing about the potential to increase F-35 production to meet this and other demands. However, Frederick “Jay” Stefany, the Acting Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development, and Acquisition and Senior Acquisition Executive for the F-35 Program, said that the main limiting factor for increasing the number of F-35s produced annually is that the center fuselage sections for all three variants currently come from one production line, operated by Northrop Grumman. He said that the F-35 JPO was exploring options for a second supplier for this portion of the aircraft to increase overall production capacity.

It is also worth noting that a formal decision to approve full-rate production of the F-35 has not yet been made, which is dependent on the completion of the Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E) process. The completion of the IOT&E continues to be held up primarily by issues with the new Joint Simulation Environment training tool. Lt. Gen. Schmidt said that the hope now is that the full rate production decision could finally come in December of this year.

All of this together raises questions about when the ECU, PTMS, TR-3, and Block 4 upgrades for the F-35 will ultimately arrive, as well as what the costs may be to fully integrate them onto even a portion of the existing fleets of all three variants. This is particularly important given that the Air Force, in particular, views the Block 4 upgrades as essential for ensuring the F-35A's relevance in future high-end conflicts, such as one against a potential near-peer adversary like China or Russia.

How this may further impact additional concerns about the long-term sustainment costs for these jets, which are already set to be significant, remains to be seen. The ECU and PTMS improvements are certainly intended to address maintenance and logistics issues, as well as performance and capability-related ones.

The F-35 program, as a whole, has made significant efforts to address years of technical and other issues as the aircraft have become increasingly integrated into routine operations across the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps. At the same time, as underscored especially by the disclosure about the F135 engine being under-specced, there is still significant work left to do to address long-standing systemic problems that continue to limit the capabilities and availability of the jets.
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The never ending F35 engine saga...

"the f-35 will be the most advanced tactical aircraft, that the USA has ever built." LOL
Innominate What is really funny. Is that frogs think they are going to go, from the equivalent of a 1980's legacy hornet with AESA. To the FCAS, which they hope will be similar to the NGAD, in a single leap without any issues. They think it will be simple. 5th gen is hard, wait till they try 6th gen. Without any foundation to build on.
The Rafale program is over 40 years old and still substandard for a 4.5 gen.
The legacy french hornet is 40% lighter than the Super Hornet, has a bigger load, a longer range, a better agility.
5th gen is not hard. It is only difficult for the too big to fail LM.
 

Engine woes dominate F-35 hearing, but other issues remain

Just 53.1% of the fighter fleet was found to be mission capable in February 2023, with 29.3 fully mission capable, according to prepared remarks [PDF] delivered by Air Force Lt. Gen. Mike Schmidt, who heads the F-35 program. As of March 1, there were 564 Joint Strike Fighters in the DOD’s inventory, a JPO spokesman told Breaking Defense.

I would remind you that the notion of "Mission Capable" does not exist in France because we consider this concept to be useless, especially for an omnirole aircraft, and that all our availability figures relate to "Fully Mission Capable" aircraft.
 
I would remind you that the notion of "Mission Capable" does not exist in France because we consider this concept to be useless, especially for an omnirole aircraft, and that all our availability figures relate to "Fully Mission Capable" aircraft.
Oh gosh, with only about 30% of rafales with AESA. What OSF % ? Do you really want to go down this path? And i'll need a link to your claim. It normally isn't how it works. A lot of the time, not 100% of things work in active aircraft and they fly with known issues.

So there needs an engine update that was known and planned for years. At least from when they canceled the F136. It may have been earlier. Now in hearings asking for money, in the usual way. How many years has this engine story been now? It should be good to 2030
 
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The U.S. Air Force sent F-35s to defend NATO. Here’s what it learned​


HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah — America’s most advanced fighter jet is in its element over Eastern Europe.

As Russia launched its offensive in Ukraine in February 2022, NATO’s eastern flank became an ideal proving ground for the F-35 Lightning II, officials with the 388th Fighter Wing here told Air Force Times during a recent visit.

Members of the active duty 388th FW and the Air Force Reserve’s 419th Fighter Wing became the first American F-35A units to arrive in support of NATO amid the opening volleys of the Russo-Ukrainian War last year. They deployed to Germany’s Spangdahlem Air Base from February to May 2022.

Their mission: Vacuum up as much electronic data as possible from the surface-to-air missiles and aircraft dotting Eastern Europe to build a map to guide NATO operations. And, if the situation spilled into NATO countries, to add some muscle.

“We weren’t crossing the border. We’re not shooting anything or dropping anything,” said 388th Fighter Wing Commander Col. Craig Andrle in a March 20 interview here. “But the jet is always sensing, gathering information. And it was doing that very, very well.”

The mission gave the Air Force a chance to hone its new short-notice approach to deployments. It also illustrated advances in the F-35′s ability to communicate with the joint force and quickly adjust to unrecognized threats. And it offered new insight into what the jets are still missing, as the military warns of future fights with Russia or China.

The 34th Fighter Squadron began awaiting a potential deployment to Europe in October 2021 — their first time leaving home as part of an “immediate response force” that can dispatch units within a week.

Under the new force-generation model, squadrons are supposed to move through four six-month phases: resetting from their most recent travel; training locally as a unit; participating in larger exercises; and going on alert. That approach aims to give units enough time to rest, train and maintain their jets between deployments.

When that final window of peak readiness opens, Andrle said, “We could get a phone call and leave in a matter of days — to an unknown location, for an indeterminate amount of time.”

Waiting for the go signal​

So, airmen practiced. And they waited.

The 388th Fighter Wing picked jets that could fly for at least three months without major repairs. Airmen readied their combat gear and practiced wearing gas masks. They got their medical paperwork in order, studied European rules of engagement, learned about the airfields they might use.

By mid-February, Russia had amassed more than 130,000 troops along the Ukrainian border. Hill’s intelligence team kept the fighter wings updated on the latest predictions for war.

On Friday, Feb. 11, 2022, the 34th Fighter Squadron received its initial warning call. An official go-ahead the next day, Feb. 12, set their plans in motion.

On Sunday, as Super Bowl LVI blared from a television at the squadron bar, airmen plotted the 5,100-mile trek to Germany. The next day — Valentine’s Day — F-35 pilots said goodbye to loved ones and began to deploy. By Wednesday, Feb. 16, the 34th Fighter Squadron was gone.

It was the first deployment for many pilots in the 388th and 419th Fighter Wings, which also sent maintainers and other support staff. And it was the first time their families didn’t have the stability of an assured six-month deployment on the calendar.

Local leaders and about a dozen spouses gathered on a golf course in the middle of the night to watch the jets leave for Germany, 388th Operations Group Commander Col. Brad Bashore recalled.

“Half of those are probably [seeing] the first time their significant other has ever deployed,” he said. “[There] was a finality to all the preparation. … It was emotional, but at the same time, they were all together as a family.”

F-35s are designed to block and destroy air defenses that could down allied aircraft, paving the way for other aircraft to enter enemy territory. They also soak up electronic emissions from nearby radars to compile a picture of friendly and unfriendly forces in the area.

Airmen saw those threats in Ukraine and Kaliningrad, the Russian province wedged between Lithuania and Poland, Andrle said. The F-35s were able to locate and identify surface-to-air missile sites and pass that information to the rest of the coalition.

“We had all hoped it was going to work like it’s supposed to, but then to see it actually perform very, very well in that role was great,” Andrle said.

Airmen hopscotched from Spangdahlem to Estonia’s Amari Air Base, Lithuania’s Siauliai Air Base and Romania’s Fetesti Air Base, U.S. Air Forces in Europe said in a press release.

The jet didn’t always recognize objects around it, since assets like air defense systems have digital ways of evading notice.

For instance, Andrle said: “We’re looking at an Sa-20 [NATO’s name for the S-300 surface-to-air missile system]. I know it’s an Sa-20. Intel says there’s an Sa-20 there, but now my jet doesn’t ID it as such, because that Sa-20 is operating, potentially, in a war reserve mode that we haven’t seen before.”

But the F-35 flagged the object for troops who updated and re-uploaded the data into the jet. After that, NATO aircraft knew what they were looking at and how to geolocate it. That makes it harder to take NATO by surprise.

“We don’t have a ton of weapons where we can decimate the entire space,” Bashore said of the F-35. It’s the quarterback: “We’re sharing data and making sure that everybody has awareness — surface-to-air and air-to-air — of what’s out there in the environment.”

Even as Russian troops laid siege to Ukrainian cities next door, Bashore said Hill airmen didn’t see anything provocative during their air policing flights in Eastern Europe. U.S. forces passed Belarussian fighter jets friendly to Moscow, and the military buildup in Kaliningrad.

“They’re doing the same thing that we’re doing,” Bashore said. “We just looked at each other. … No direct interaction and nothing that was unprofessional on either side.”

Taking stock​

The airmen returned to Hill in early May 2022. They’ve since tried to build on the lessons they learned overseas.

“It was the first time that we had rapidly deployed on the [immediate response force],” Bashore said. “We had as much to learn as the combatant command did about how to accept our forces and how to interweave them into their overall scheme of maneuver and operation.”

The jets proved more flexible than expected.

“For a while, there was the view that this jet needs to be connected all the time,” Andrle said. “Anywhere we go, we’re gonna have to take the servers with us. We’re gonna need to get connectivity. … We are realizing and proving that that isn’t necessarily the case.”

That’s a boon for the Air Force’s pivot to “agile combat employment,” or quick-turn combat operations across multiple regions with minimal staffing. That requires more pre-positioned tools in the field and airmen trained in multiple jobs, rather than fully equipped bases with entire units.

“We got some configurations approved to be able to fly with live missiles and a cargo pod on the inside, so we could carry some of the minimum maintenance things that they needed,” Bashore said.

That freed up space on the C-130 cargo planes or trucks that would bring maintainers in, and ensured those crews had the tools they needed at remote airfields.

But leaders realized those skeleton crews shouldn’t be quite so lean. Deploying also helped clarify the skills those airmen need to have — they may not have to drive a Humvee, but they should be able to load bombs, maintenance officials said.

“We had built this fighting team to go forward, not fully knowing how many locations they would be at,” Bashore said. “We probably needed a little bit more personnel to be able to do distributed operations for multiple locations.”

Their pallet of spare parts was too bulky to easily move around the region, Andrle said. That spurred the wing to make its spares packages lighter and modular.

F-35 pilots told Air Force Times they’ve learned to refuel their own jets and inspect engines in a pinch as well. Agile operations have helped pilots think like crew chiefs to catch issues they may not have noticed before, said Lt. Col. Jesse Proctor, a pilot with the 4th Fighter Squadron.

Leaders here also praised the F-35′s connectivity with other NATO aircraft as a “huge win” for the alliance.

F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin has projected that NATO members will have stationed more than 400 of the jets across Europe by 2030. The aircraft is seen as the leader of any future fight in the region.

“No matter what your qualification is — wingman, flight lead, instructor — you will have fourth-gen instructor pilots and flight leads come up to you … to ask you questions about threats, tactics, how we’re going to integrate together,” said Capt. Josh Sturniolo, a pilot with the 4th Fighter Squadron. “They all look to us for the answer.”

Long article but they pretty much say thanks to the F-35 they now have a library of EM spectrum of Russian latest and most advanced IADS.

Only fighter that can do this and I bet the Russians didn't know they were there. I also bet these F-35's "accidently" crossed into Ukraine airspace at night just sniffing Russian EM.
 
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