Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Saaho

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They are sitting pretty. The way they see things, they can choose where to cause the next problem. India will be reactionary. Their positions are much safer post the Kailash range decision. Why will they go soft now?
India can go on offensive too. Simply allow Taiwan to open an embassy next to China. Also allow USA to host fighters in Kashmir to open a second front against China if hostilities occur.
 
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Welcome back.

We spend our budget well though. But it's the army that suffers the most due to their size. A downsizing plan is well underway though. About 100-200k reduction in the tail.

Army suffers because of some careless and incapable officers among the gold who constantly inflict mismanagement in the hierarchy down due to their greedy nature and arrogant attitude. If they really want to reduce then reduce the officer ranks not the ORs.
 

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Army suffers because of some careless and incapable officers among the gold who constantly inflict mismanagement in the hierarchy down due to their greedy nature and arrogant attitude. If they really want to reduce then reduce the officer ranks not the ORs.

If requirements were equal to resources then even JCOs can run the army. But it's not the case, hence the need for officers.
 

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0. "Offensive" diplomatically, not militarily.
1. China has already initiated.

S . Jaishankar is a US puppet with a Japanese wife and has already sat in the lap of US. He is formulating US diplomacy in India not the otherway round. Your Foreign Ministry has many moles. Top to bottom.

If requirements were equal to resources then even JCOs can run the army. But it's not the case, hence the need for officers.


Officers are required and even the ORs are required. If you are not using your military adequately this doesn't mean the adversary won't use it either.

Please understand that during Kargil you were confident of wining the hills back only due to manpower. Thats why the men were sent from the front. If you reduce manpower then it doesn't match your foreign policy of going by the book.

In Kargil 2.0 ( Chinese incursion of Ladakh) you were confident because of your man power. It is the manpower which worked there.

If you reduce your manpower you have to play bad like Pakistan and China. Which I don't think would happen in near future.
 

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The warfare in any domain is still captive to Lenchesters Laws. We won kargil for the same reasons as explained in those laws. And any future conflict with China will also need good application of those laws. The move by China to hire Tibettans in the ranks will backfire majorly when SFF alongwith IA goes into offensive with Tibettan Flag flying high.
Recall how Bangladesi Officers and ranks within Pak Army reacted in 1971? same fait awaits PLA in Tibet.
 

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The warfare in any domain is still captive to Lenchesters Laws. We won kargil for the same reasons as explained in those laws. And any future conflict with China will also need good application of those laws. The move by China to hire Tibettans in the ranks will backfire majorly when SFF alongwith IA goes into offensive with Tibettan Flag flying high.
Recall how Bangladesi Officers and ranks within Pak Army reacted in 1971? same fait awaits PLA in Tibet.
Not necessarily. The hostage theory comes into play here . All those Tibetan soldiers have family members back home . Any untoward behaviour by those Tibetan soldiers would have grave repercussions on those families . I'd say China's played this very well .

They've killed 2 birds with 1 Stone. OTOH they've got local people naturally acclimatized to such conditions to serve as their soldiers . OTOH they'd make good cannon fodder much like the Mujahid Force mainly drawn from Gilgit Baltistan & comprising mainly of Ismaili Shias. Both these categories are considered expendable by their respective goverments & armed forces.

Publicizing SFF deployment along the LAC especially the Tibetan component of it should've been avoided given that they're special forces tasked for a different set of Operations with different skill sets . Btw hope IA is taking note of it & increasing recruitment of locals viz Tibetans Ladakhis , Himachalis Kumaonis Garhwalis Sikkimese & locals from AP to counter balance these developments.
 
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Not necessarily. The hostage theory comes into play here . All those Tibetan soldiers have family members back home . Any untoward behaviour by those Tibetan soldiers would have grave repercussions on those families . I'd say China's played this very well .

They've killed 2 birds with 1 Stone. OTOH they've got local people naturally acclimatized to such conditions to serve as their soldiers . OTOH they'd make good cannon fodder much like the Mujahid Force mainly drawn from Gilgit Baltistan & comprising mainly of Ismaili Shias. Both these categories are considered expendable by their respective goverments & armed forces.

Publicizing SFF especially the Tibetan component of it should've been avoided.

The Chinese would never be Certain about the Loyalties of the Tibetan soldiers , a few can be expected to revolt

So they will push them at the Front of any Assault or Attack

If war breaks out , only then these Tibetan soldiers would be useful

But what happens after their 2 or 3 year conscription ends
 

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The warfare in any domain is still captive to Lenchesters Laws. We won kargil for the same reasons as explained in those laws. And any future conflict with China will also need good application of those laws. The move by China to hire Tibettans in the ranks will backfire majorly when SFF alongwith IA goes into offensive with Tibettan Flag flying high.
Recall how Bangladesi Officers and ranks within Pak Army reacted in 1971? same fait awaits PLA in Tibet.

When it came to BD, we conquered the entire nation. So it made sense for them to go against their occupiers. But when it comes to Tibet, we currently have no such plans. Our interest, as of today, is only LAC. It's unlikely the average Tibetan soldier will turn against their occupiers for the LAC. It's also unlikely for Tibetans to hold officer positions either.
 
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Ending the stalemate in border talks that lasted nearly six months, India and China have agreed in principle to disengage at a key patrol point in eastern Ladakh even though other friction areas remain in the region, government sources said.

The agreement on PP17A was reached during the 12th round of Corps Commander-level talks Saturday. The meeting, which was part of a series of measures to resolve the 15-month standoff in Ladakh, was held on the Indian side of the Chushul-Moldo border.
 

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It's unlikely the average Tibetan soldier will turn against their occupiers for the LAC. It's also unlikely for Tibetans to hold officer positions either.

In Bangladesh when Tikka khan ordered molestation of Bangladeshi women under op searchlight that triggered the sentiments and anger.PLA is not a saint.
 

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Ending the stalemate in border talks that lasted nearly six months, India and China have agreed in principle to disengage at a key patrol point in eastern Ladakh even though other friction areas remain in the region, government sources said.

The agreement on PP17A was reached during the 12th round of Corps Commander-level talks Saturday. The meeting, which was part of a series of measures to resolve the 15-month standoff in Ladakh, was held on the Indian side of the Chushul-Moldo border.

Before Winter Sets in , we can expect more such " Agreements "

They are slowly realising the futility if their deployment and mobilisation
 

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In Bangladesh when Tikka khan ordered molestation of Bangladeshi women under op searchlight that triggered the sentiments and anger.PLA is not a saint.
tibet does not have enuf native population to sustain a fightback against chinese.
Before Winter Sets in , we can expect more such " Agreements "

They are slowly realising the futility if their deployment and mobilisation
You are drawing hasty conclusion, chinese are doing this for the last 5 decades not for a day or two.