Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

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In case we go to war with China, and it lasts a long time, what we need from the US (and Japan and other allies) is diplomatic support, intelligence, material aid/logistics support, financial aid and large scale investments. Nothing else.

Diplomatic and intelligence goes without saying. Material aid and logistics support are needed to alleviate stress from our own industry in order to counter accidents, delays etc. Financial aid is needed in order to support our forex, which will be needed to import equipment, without stressing out our regular forex income. Large scale investments are needed to counter the diversion of domestic investment towards the war effort in order to keep our economy going.

With the exception of diplomatic and intelligence support, the need for which is perpetual even for the strongest countries, we need support in the areas I mentioned until we become as rich as China is today.

Material aid/logistics support and financial aid comes at a cost to the US and allies, but investment is for mutual benefit. But if you consider we are fighting China, it would mean other countries are less stressed elsewhere, so paying us for the effort in order to keep it going is also in their favour.

We most definitely do not need American troops on our soil, never mind the fact that they won't send any in the first place.
You think our defense budget will increase in the coming years? The way things are bjp might spend what ever it can get its hands on the economy than defense.
 

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The problem is that Indian army is "sissy bitches". Problem is that Indian leadership trios do not want to fight at all on their own even if the opponent is a flock of pigeons. If you include Americans in equation, things change.
Half the war is lost even before it is begun if a war is started when enemy wants it and we are not ready for it. So dont expect any war for next 2-3 months militarily and a year or two economically. We are simply not there. If at all we fight a war that has to be very short one a week or two at the most. For the time being it will be a waiting game where both sides will size up each other.
 
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In case we go to war with China, and it lasts a long time, what we need from the US (and Japan and other allies) is diplomatic support, intelligence, material aid/logistics support, financial aid and large scale investments. Nothing else.
I am very much sure US will bargain for a better trade deal with china and then throw India under the bus. Last time we decided not to join the RCEP ,reason given that our industries might get swamped by china but most importantly we were looking to US for a trade deal. The trade deal with US fizzled out and US went on to have deal with china. India was not only left out in cold but also looked very stupid. India is just a counter weight not an ally. Some thing which can be used to extort more from china. Only problem for western powers is India's beneficial sloth behavior which neither fights nor loses but simply keeps popping up in the equation every now & then.
 

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We are the only country in the world to have bombed the sovereign territory of another nuclear power.
I can reply to this and it will go in a tangent that is not on topic.
To remain on topic, lets keep this discussion with respect to China standoff and possible India China hostilities only.
 
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There's an annual summit of the CCP at a retreat in China scheduled for this August - a regular calendar event in the history of the CCP. You can expect hostilities to break out soon after that if things don't go well for Xi.
 

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You think our defense budget will increase in the coming years? The way things are bjp might spend what ever it can get its hands on the economy than defense.

If the economy goes back on track to increasing as usual, then so will the military budget see a comparable rise. Even at 1.56% of GDP, the defence budget in 2025 could very well be $78B for a $5T economy, which is $33B more than it's today, or $62B for a $4T economy. With greater focus on indigenisation, the quality of the expenditure will also improve. Only if things go as normal.

The problem is we either spend a lot on defence now and screw up our future with respect to the economy. Or we take care of security now and then deal with the economy later.

Right now we definitely need a larger budget than normal. Whether that happens or not, we will only know next year.
 

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I am very much sure US will bargain for a better trade deal with china and then throw India under the bus. Last time we decided not to join the RCEP ,reason given that our industries might get swamped by china but most importantly we were looking to US for a trade deal. The trade deal with US fizzled out and US went on to have deal with china. India was not only left out in cold but also looked very stupid. India is just a counter weight not an ally. Some thing which can be used to extort more from china. Only problem for western powers is India's beneficial sloth behavior which neither fights nor loses but simply keeps popping up in the equation every now & then.

All this mainly applies during peacetime. During war, the dynamics change a lot.
I can reply to this and it will go in a tangent that is not on topic.
To remain on topic, lets keep this discussion with respect to China standoff and possible India China hostilities only.

You were questioning whether India will make a military decision over China, so I gave my answer.
 

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If the economy goes back on track to increasing as usual, then so will the military budget see a comparable rise. Even at 1.56% of GDP, the defence budget in 2025 could very well be $78B for a $5T economy, which is $33B more than it's today, or $62B for a $4T economy. With greater focus on indigenisation, the quality of the expenditure will also improve. Only if things go as normal.

The problem is we either spend a lot on defence now and screw up our future with respect to the economy. Or we take care of security now and then deal with the economy later.

Right now we definitely need a larger budget than normal. Whether that happens or not, we will only know next year.
Tbh i feel instead of focusing on increasing budget , we should optimize our current one....like pension reforms , avoiding duplication , reducing red tape , trimming strength and focusing on quality instead...
Our focus should be increasing %capex in given budget
 

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Given that tensions along the LAC will be more or less a permanent feature in the future..do we need 3 Pakistan focussed strike corps? Are there any plans to make any of them China focussed Mountain strike corps.. or multiple mountain warfare IBGs ?
 

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You were questioning whether India will make a military decision over China, so I gave my answer.
My question was "Is banning apps a military option of India against Chinese intrusion and military aggression?". Is this the military reply for PLA intrusion?
 

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My question was "Is banning apps a military option of India against Chinese intrusion and military aggression?". Is this the military reply for PLA intrusion?
It is setting cost for the misadventure. After all Chinese are biggest baniya than us.
 

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I think a perusal of these two videos would make clear why China is quiet at the moment on the LAC, particularly the 1st video. There's an annual retreat of the CCP scheduled in August 2020 - an annual calendar event. If things get hot for Xi, we'd see action as soon as the retreat ends.
 
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My question was "Is banning apps a military option of India against Chinese intrusion and military aggression?". Is this the military reply for PLA intrusion?

I have another question, where are those satellites and all those listening devices and MI people who couldn't find out that Chinese were planning large scale intrusion. I don't believe this level of lethargy and unprofessional attitude. And then there are agreements like don't use AAM, use sticks along LAC.

People say don't question military? Well if military has close to 2.7 million personals and remains unaware of the intrusion that too at multiple places then its pathetic. Does India have guts to do Kargil type intrusion in POJK and China, No! Because they are never prepared.

Either it's the failure of military and other agency or govt to foresee this development. And then when they can't do anything then here some excuses

1) sometimes they lack bullet proof jackets
2) sometimes their Sqdn strength is low
3) sometimes they don't have ammunition
4) sometimes it's the weather,
5) sometimes it's the state leader's visit
6) sometimes it's the economy
7) and when there are no excuses then India have elections

Was Pakistan prepared before doing Kargil. 80% of the armed forces were not aware and still they managed to give bloody nose, and even managed to hold back India from crossing LOC. India was avoiding escalation and keeping monetary cost factor in mind. They were lacking many equipment.
more than 700 Indian soldiers lost their lives and they couldn't even cross LOC. And mark this post, India will follow rules of engagement and will not cross LAC even this time. They aren't crossing Finger 4 isn't it forget the Indian presumed LAC.
What a poor banana republic India has become. Or do Idnians think that enemy will come when India has got all boys toys and fancy stuff from france Russia and europe.
 
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Tbh i feel instead of focusing on increasing budget , we should optimize our current one....like pension reforms , avoiding duplication , reducing red tape , trimming strength and focusing on quality instead...
Our focus should be increasing %capex in given budget

The reogranisation into IBGs will reduce strength and increase technology input. So it will cut down on salaries and increase cost of capital purchases. Whether we can afford that, we need to see.

One of the best moves made was to privatise workshops through the GOCO model. These workshops used to be a shithole of corruption and the end quality was really bad. With the privatisation, things should improve, while at the same time cut down on the army's revenue budget and increase availability.
Given that tensions along the LAC will be more or less a permanent feature in the future..do we need 3 Pakistan focussed strike corps? Are there any plans to make any of them China focussed Mountain strike corps.. or multiple mountain warfare IBGs ?

There's a plan to raise 2 MSCs. One has been half raised, XVII Corps. The other is pending.
 

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My question was "Is banning apps a military option of India against Chinese intrusion and military aggression?". Is this the military reply for PLA intrusion?

The economic aggression is meant as a punishment to China's moves at the border. This is most likely permanent, the way things are going.

Whether a military option will be considered, it will be up to the Chinese. If they withdraw peacefully, then we do not need to opt for a kinetic option. If they don't withdraw, then we will see.
 
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