LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

[kaliputra]

We might see GTA 6 before Tejas Mk1A at this rate...

Incompetence

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Most sane thing if anyone is familiar with enginnering invovled. Even Lockheed will suggest the same, case that USAF will accept, IAF won't. Ie. Delays with TR3

Tejas can fly, IAF is at 29 squadrons, they need platforms to perform basic interception duties for now and most of the time, even in service fighters fly with just what drop tanks.

Should induct them, start training people, that takes time, engineers, pilots, whatever crew.

HAL/SDI/NFTC pilots/CEMILAC should sort out their stuff resp. then push those updates

Having something better than nothing.

But as I said, "Rafale comes first"

 

[spice]

HAL CMD says , GE has opened a new line, and also has put in new automation for increasing the rate of testing. June onwards, we will get more engines. 24 engines in 2026.

5 aircrafts have carried out missile testing , the bombing. Integration of the ew suite and aesa radar also done. Says will talk with IAF to accept these 5 aircraft in the current FY.

GE could deliver 30 engines per year next year onwards.
HAL will have 24 aircrafts ready before the end of this FY.
Engine deliveries will stabilise June onwards.

Super Sukhoi CCS approval in a couple of months. Technical details ironed out, financial details remaining.

 

[Hydra]

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

In Hindi There is a Proverb

Haathi Nikal Gaya , Poonch Reh Gayi ie

The Elephant has passed , only the Tail Remains ...

So this is the Situation with The Tejas MK1A right now

Google Search

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019450242609954925

 

[Rune]

Maybe The Print needs to come clean on its sources and the specifics of the work that's still remaining.
This ambiguity on what's remaining is straight up BS

Why should a journalist tell his source ? Why can't the HAL chief tell the truth for once ? He and his fake timelines have been responsible for all this mess.

 

[Aniruddha]

Why should a journalist tell his source ? Why can't the HAL chief tell the truth for once ? He and his fake timelines have been responsible for all this mess.

That's standard practice, nowhere in the world is defence reporting carried out the manner in which it's carried out in India.
What makes you believe that these supposed unnamed sources that these journalists use for their reporting aren't biased themselves.

 

[CATS @hunter]

Is the IAF planning to send the mk1a to direct forward bases from the day 1 of its induction?

Do the IAF has found magic wand that produces jet immediately,

 

[Sathya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019376336587096315

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019498883819405568

 

[The Abyss Walker]

Does it have the ability to fire any indigenous air-to-surface weapons yet?

 

[CATS @hunter]

Does it have the ability to fire any indigenous air-to-surface weapons yet?

As of now no, SAAW, NGRAM, are not have been fired from Tejas mk1a,

This fault solely lies on HAL

 

[Hydra]

If HAL had agreed & signed the contract with MOD or IAF that they will deliver MK1a with all the specs & weapon integration, then you cannot blame IAF for not accepting the half cooked MK1a.

if a managerl trying to sell you an ambassador car without AC when you had payed money to him for an airconditioned car model and you denied to take the car without AC. Imagine he comes to the public and blame you for that, desi weapon lobby & HAL fan boys are doing that.

Now 36 Rafale delivery, IAF accepted rafale without india spec upgrade because that contract is framed like that. India spec Rafale was supposed to come only 36th piece if i am not wrong.

Had HAL made the contract initially like this, there would not have any such ongoing issue. But HAL didn't, probably due to the fear of not getting the contact made HAL to offer that impossible offer for delivering the fully fledged aircraft.

 

[The Abyss Walker]

If HAL had agreed & signed the contract with MOD or IAF that they will deliver MK1a with all the specs & weapon integration, then you cannot blame IAF for not accepting the half cooked MK1a.

if a managerl trying to sell you an ambassador car without AC when you had payed money to him for an airconditioned car model and you denied to take the car without AC. Imagine he comes to the public and blame you for that, desi weapon lobby & HAL fan boys are doing that.

Now 36 Rafale delivery, IAF accepted rafale without india spec upgrade because that contract is framed like that. India spec Rafale was supposed to come only 36th piece if i am not wrong.

Had HAL made the contract initially like this, there would not have any such ongoing issue. But HAL didn't, probably due to the fear of not getting the contact made HAL to offer that impossible offer for delivering the fully fledged aircraft.

Can't the integration be done later?

It has all systems operational, doesn't it? Are there any other issues?

 

[Hydra]

Can't the integration be done later?

Yeas. But the contact is not like that. Why woul IAF accept half cooked aircraft when the contract is signed otgerway.
I don't know about forces, but in any PSU if some GM accept a product that was not meets the spec which was agreed during the order placement, he will face vigilance enquiry. All is post retirement benefits except PF will put in hold. What i want to tell is thete is a sanctity in contractual agreements.

Remember IAF evennplaced order for second lot of 80+ aircraft.

It has all systems operational, doesn't it? Are there any other issues?

I saw some tweets that issue is radar missile integration is yet not streamlined. If true its like a Tank without main gun scenario.

 

[The Abyss Walker]

Yeas. But the contact is not like that. Why woul IAF accept half cooked aircraft when the contract is signed otgerway.
I don't know about forces, but in any PSU if some GM accept a product that was not meets the spec which was agreed during the order placement, he will face vigilance enquiry. All is post retirement benefits except PF will put in hold. What i want to tell is thete is a sanctity in contractual agreements.

Even the JF-17 was delivered with limited features, it was improved iteratively. I think that the IAF should take the deliveries and start working with them in the mean time. It's not like there are hardware issues or even major software bugs.

I saw some tweets that issue is radar missile integration is yet not streamlined. If true its like a Tank without main gun scenario.

Why is Uttam not being used for the first batch? Wouldn't it be easier to integrate Indian systems with Indian missiles?

Anyway, is weapons integration the only issue now?

 

[Professor∆Baaz]

Most sane thing if anyone is familiar with enginnering invovled. Even Lockheed will suggest the same, case that USAF will accept, IAF won't. Ie. Delays with TR3

Tejas can fly, IAF is at 29 squadrons, they need platforms to perform basic interception duties for now and most of the time, even in service fighters fly with just what drop tanks.

Should induct them, start training people, that takes time, engineers, pilots, whatever crew.

HAL/SDI/NFTC pilots/CEMILAC should sort out their stuff resp. then push those updates

Having something better than nothing.

But as I said, "Rafale comes first"

Totally agree, certification is overrated anyway.
Next step - induct the jets before the engine arrives..."Better than nothing" Right ?

Ahh, HAL finally has engines , MK1a isn't ready yet So now it's not GE fault , it's IAF & Rafale fault

IAF ordered 180 mk1a and friend zoned it & enjoying one night stands with Rafale ....LoL

 

[kaliputra]

Next step - induct the jets before the engine

If they can fly it without engines, 100% they should.

IAF ordered 180 Mk1As hmmm did they now

Just like the bought mirages

Like to remind people that IAF flew prototypes of Su30 without even canards

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019610776584221103

But as I said, wait for rafale, tejas will come only then

Committees, sources, narratives everything accordingly.

 

[The Abyss Walker]

Flying without canards isn't the same as flying without engines. Also, he was clearly being facetious.

No one is saying that HAL is guiltless, but now isn't the time for blame games.

 

[kaliputra]

Flying without canards isn't the same as flying without engines. Also, he was clearly being facetious.

No one is saying that HAL is guiltless, but now isn't the time for blame games.

HAL should be 100% blamed for going with israeli radars and wasting flight hours on it instead of getting Uttam onto Mk1A asap.

But there is no book called, "How to integrate missiles for dummies" everything is experimental, sometimes it fails.

Astra integration onto Su30 required all the might of IAF/SDI/ADA/HAL/MSMEs.

And actually in our case what remains is only paperwork, Astra has been fired from Mk1A with one direct hit as far as I can confirm. Paperwork pending...

For the sake of IAF which is at 29 squadrons, some minor software changes shouldn't delay induction, national security over ego.

 

[The Abyss Walker]

HAL should be 100% blamed for going with israeli radars and wasting flight hours on it instead of getting Uttam onto Mk1A asap.

Why did HAL go for Israeli radars anyway? isn't Uttam ready?

Edit:

And actually in our case what remains is only paperwork, Astra has been fired from Mk1A with one direct hit as far as I can confirm. Paperwork pending...

Astra-I or II?