JIYO PARSI - Asking Parsis to Have More Kids, in the Most Regressive and Patriarchal Way

So GOI is actually spending 100 millions on encouraging Parsis to have more kids while they want the rest of us to not pop more than two.
Parsis really need to accept interfaith marriages and new converts, specially half-blood parsis to their community. This concept of pure-race is crap and needs to be done away with.

On a lighter note we can always import pure-breed Iranians and beat the hell out them till they convert to Zoroastrianism and voilà Brand New Parsis.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
@vsdoc Parsis can do what ever they want ; after all its a Free country

The numbers will speak for themselves ; so please drop this Holier than thou attitude

And frankly in a country with such a huge population ;
nobody cares if parsis get extinct
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I'm betting in spite of all these hi jinks , the Jarawas of A&N will outlast the Bawas out here .
 
@vsdoc There was a parsi girl named Benafsa in Big Boss 11 hitting on a non parsi guy. How is that prevented in real life?

How long can parsis be remain a closed group without compromising genetic health?
 
Arvind said:
@vsdoc There was a parsi girl named Benafsa in Big Boss 11 hitting on a non parsi guy. How is that prevented in real life?

How long can parsis be remain a closed group without compromising genetic health?
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No one minds the hitting bit.

There is no Parsi guy who goes through life without a non Parsi girlfriend/s either.

But really when it comes to marriage, for a few generations at least, they should marry early (mid 20s) and have at least 5 kids.

Our trusts need to open their pursestrings and build new colonies on the land we hold before the owners die off and non Parsis move in.

Every Parsi couple should have a 2bhk to move into the day they marry.

Kids needs to be taken care of till college. Food, clothing, education, health.

And most importantly, we need to find a way to get young girls and guys to be together.

In a country of 1.25 billion, meeting another Parsi of the opposite sex by chance, both available and looking, the chances of that happening naturally are next to non existent.

Even after all of this, unless Parsi kids today truly understand and appreciate what it means to be a Parsi and the ancient tenets that stress the purity of our bloodlines, all of this would come to nought in the name of "love" and "all humans are equal" libtardism.

And this truly comes from home, your parents, and how you are brought up.

Some religious education and weekend classes on ancient Persian and Zoroastrian history and answers to basic questions about the faith wouldn't hurt either.

As a kid I knew about the Ramayana and Mahabharata before I read the abridged dummies version of the Shahnameh and the life story of Zarathushtra.

Cheers, Doc
 
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vsdoc said:
Even after all of this, unless Parsi kids today truly understand and appreciate what it means to be a Parsi and the ancient tenets that stress the purity of our bloodlines, all of this would come to nought in the name of "love" and "all humans are equal" libtardism.
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This.
 
vsdoc said:
But really when it comes to marriage, for a few generations at least, they should marry early (mid 20s) and have at least 5 kids.

Our trusts need to open their pursestrings and build new colonies on the land we hold before the owners die off and non Parsis move in.

Every Parsi couple should have a 2bhk to move into the day they marry.

Kids needs to be taken care of till college. Food, clothing, education, health.

And most importantly, we need to find a way to get young girls and guys to be together.
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That's like perfect socialism. Which is not possible without the support of govt. You really think Indian govt would dole out such schemes for only 57k Indians?
We already cry minority appeasement over favorable treatment to muzzies, this will be no different.
 
Harry said:
That's like perfect socialism. Which is not possible without the support of govt. You really think Indian govt would dole out such schemes for only 57k Indians?
We already cry minority appeasement over favorable treatment to muzzies, this will be no different.
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Baba, I have already said earlier that Jiyo Parsi is a bit much. We did not ask for it and it came from out if the blue to us.

I suspect a generation earlier would have probably said a polite no thank you too.

But we are increasingly seeing every group in India thinking about iself first and wondering whether it's tome to do the same.

If not ask for something, at least do not refuse if it's offered to you.

The steps I outlined are not new. Multiple prominent Parsis have been speaking about it for years. Our trusts in Mumbai have more money than many small nation's on Earth.

I was speaking about using that for our survival.

Cheers, Doc
 
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The steps I outlined are not new. Multiple prominent Parsis have been speaking about it for years. Our trusts in Mumbai have more money than many small nation's on Earth.
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Rich people ONLY care about their own money and own family

They would never distribute their wealth to poor parsis

I believe that what happened in case of parsis is this:

The women got educated and empowered and started rejecting unsuitable parsi men
and chose non parsi men

But the Men were Too proud to get married to non parsi women

Instead parsi men decided stay single and then
throw out those parsi women for marrying outside the
community

parsi men should also start marrying Non parsi women
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Rich people ONLY care about their own money and own family

They would never distribute their wealth to poor parsis

I believe that what happened in case of parsis is this:

The women got educated and empowered and started rejecting unsuitable parsi men
and chose non parsi men

But the Men were Too proud to get married to non parsi women

Instead parsi men decided stay single and then
throw out those parsi women for marrying outside the
community

parsi men should also start marrying Non parsi women
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You seem to be an expert on Parsis my man.

Did you develop this interest when it dawned on you where you came from?

As many Parsi guys marry non Parsi girls as the obverse.

They do not get excommunicated though so it does not make as much human interest news.

Plus it always makes an alien people feel nicer to marry the girls of someone else than it does to have their girls married by someone else.

Which explains the "narrative" among Hindu and Muslim "experts".

Also, these trusts are perpetual trusts. The wealth has far outlived the founding families who have long since gone. The trusts are managed and run by ordinary Parsis here. Our Punchayets. Elected trustees.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
Imagine a khap panchayat in rural Haryana – a kangaroo court of village elders – launching a slick ad campaign encouraging members of their caste to marry (each other) and rapidly multiply to increase their dwindling numbers. Imagine that many members of this caste are zamindars with large plots of land. And now, if you can stretch your imagination just a tad further, imagine this ad campaign calling out to middle-aged, unmarried, childless zamindars, warning of the perils of staying single, as this would mean their cattle and farmland would be inherited by some low-caste, petty farm labourer.
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How does one sound progressive? Throw in Khap Pancayat in Italics in your argument no matter whether if it fits in there or not. This arthmatically challanged Parsi producing Bong Brahmin needs to check her/his upper caste privilage and take a stronk dose of STFU.

How to further their generations must be left with Parsis and their elders to decide. Same goes for every group of people.
 
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Because the Persians there are oftentimes mixed with Arab blood, which is like a slam dunk for us ....
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What do you mean by slam dunk? A slam dunk or home run (both sports phrases) is usually a really good thing, for some reason that's not the underlying message I picked up from that sentence.

vsdoc said:
With the Indians there is also the issue that like us, Hinduism too has strict bloodline laws. There has always been an unspoken hands-off agreement between the two communities, which is seen to this day.
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It did once upon a time, but nowadays in the urban setting (which is where you're most likely to encounter Parsis) that's not so much of an issue. And I don't think modern, urban Hindus would really mind either; I can't really say how Parsis as a group would feel about a change in that rule now, but you guys definitely have some people in the community that still go out and marry Hindus anyways.

vsdoc said:
That and the fact that one of the conditions accepted by us when we came here was not to convert. I agree a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then, and we are a really small community now that can hardly threaten Hindus like say the Christian and Muslim conversions do.
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As you said, more than the word-by-word agreement back then, what matters is the intent behind the agreement; it's not like you people are here to harvest souls by the thousands or millions. I don't think Parsis marrying Hindus and having half Parsi children would violate the spirit of the agreement.
 
vsdoc said:
While children born to Parsi fathers and non-Parsi mothers are accepted within the community, those with Parsi mothers and non-Parsi fathers are not; a delicious cocktail of patriarchy, conservatism and bigotry. Children of the former, and not the latter, are allowed to have a Navjot ceremony, which is an initiation into the faith. (Disclaimer: I had my Navjot when I was nine, despite having a Hindu father.) Meanwhile, I’m still awaiting sound genetic evidence for how a Parsi father is better equipped than a Parsi mother to preserve racial purity.
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vsdoc said:
long, there has been a tussle between the moderate and conservative factions of the community over whether a closed community should open its doors to all those who are interested in the faith. Ironically, both sides are given equal legitimacy in the mainstream media. I’m not sure how racism, elitism, patriarchy and the absence of logic are given the same respect as an opposition to these vices. It’s time the rest of India stopped viewing Parsis as a rare and exotic bird species and subjected them to the very same scrutiny that other communities are subjected to.
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Though I dont agree with all the points made by the author she makes some really good points in the above quotes. If parsis wants to save their faith and their race then they have to open their doors and accept the children with a single parsi parent in to the faith, if they are only interested in saving the purity of there blood then it is a lost battle to begin with. They have to blame no one but themselves for the death of the community. Sad thing is for a community thst did so much to this country we cant do anything to save it from self inflicted wounds.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/206591/persian-heretics-and-heresies

Aa joi lo dickraa @vsdoc

As you see dickraa , your ancestors came up with certain unconventional & practical solutions if somewhat controversial . You ought to read about it , if only for academic interest .( only the first three - four paragraphs are related to the OP)

Perhaps you guys may be interested too.

@RATHORE ; @Notsuperstitious ; @Aravind ; @Bali78
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Interesting lagech.

Pacchi thi.

I'm all ears when sex and Arabs are involved. Not necessarily mutually inclusive.

Cheers, Doc
 
Itachi said:
Though I dont agree with all the points made by the author she makes some really good points in the above quotes. If parsis wants to save their faith and their race then they have to open their doors and accept the children with a single parsi parent in to the faith, if they are only interested in saving the purity of there blood then it is a lost battle to begin with. They have to blame no one but themselves for the death of the community. Sad thing is for a community thst did so much to this country we cant do anything to save it from self inflicted wounds.
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A few random points.

We came to India to save the Holy Atash Padshah.

That has been achieved.

The Parsis dying out of surviving does not matter. The Atash Padshah will be eventually re-established on our ancestral soil. Where it belongs. And which it owns.

Zoroastrians do not intermarry. It does not matter if they are Parsi, Irani, or Iranian. Or those in any other land, be they once Zoroastrian lands or foreign.

Our blood is not separable from our faith. If we are ready to leave our homeland to preserve our faith, it would be stupid to avoid the Arabs and mix with Hindus instead. Both are alien bloodlines.

Parsis dying out does not matter. What matters is that Zoroastrians continue to grow and we pass the preserved heritage back to them while we still can. Wherever Zoroastrianism and its ancient bloodlines continue to grow.

It would be stupid to hold out for 1300 years. Lose our homeland. And at the point when it appears clear that pan Persian nationalism is on the rise in Iran and a movement is building up steam, we the protectors of the faith in India simply say ok its inevitable we are going to die ot, let us now marry who we want and lead our happy (or not) individual lives.

"Opening the gates" means nothing to a Zoroastrian. Parsi/Zoroastrian man or woman, it does not matter, when the other half is not one.

I do not deny it has happened, and I have tried to explain to you how such mixed bloodlines have been neutralized and quarantined from the original bloodlines, both here and in Iran.

There is nothing racist about this. These are ancient Aryan tenets that Vedic Hinduism lost over time once it co-mingled with native Indian bloodlines.

The original Semitic faith directly influenced by Zoroastrianism from the time of Moses has similar tenets.

If we Indians want to save the Parsis, the answer lies not in asking them to accept Hindu blood. But to grow organically. Which is what Jiyo Parsi is about.

Cheers, Doc
 
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