JF-17 Thunder & PAF : Updates & Discussions

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Are you sure long range missiles are guided by AWACS? If I am not wrong till date AWACS don't provide any type of guidance to AAMs especially the ones Pakistan have, their job is provide early warning of presence of enemy fighters and not guidance.
The technology for missile guidance from AWACS is nascent and is being developed now and only a few are capable and Pakistan doesn't have one...

The main issue is the linking of a Swedish AWACS with a Chinese missile. It's not likely for these two to be integrated.
 
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Are you sure long range missiles are guided by AWACS? If I am not wrong till date AWACS don't provide any type of guidance to AAMs especially the ones Pakistan have, their job is provide early warning of presence of enemy fighters and not guidance.
The technology for missile guidance from AWACS is nascent and is being developed now and only a few are capable and Pakistan doesn't have one...
Its a different approach, and widely used.
True that the missile is mated to the Fire control radar of the aircraft which fired it, and the missile only accepts Mid course guidance data from that particular aircraft. It is a security feature.
But that data can originate from AWACS and fed into the missile via the Aircraft that fired it.
 

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Its a different approach, and widely used.
True that the missile is mated to the Fire control radar of the aircraft which fired it, and the missile only accepts Mid course guidance data from that particular aircraft. It is a security feature.
But that data can originate from AWACS and fed into the missile via the Aircraft that fired it.
It needs 2 way links and long range aesa fire control radars and missiles with aesa seekers. All very contemporary technologies. Now tell me How many missiles with aesa seekers does Pakistan have and the range of JF-17 Block-3 and F16 block 52 to cue the missile.
I don't think Pakistan has any of the above..☺️
 
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Dont blabber this much, 200 km range for rafe and firing meteor at that range to get kill shot both will not happen.
Rafale AESA radar on a fighter size target is in the 200km range. twice the PESA range.
Meteor official range is >> 100km (and more probably > 150km) when NEZ is >> 60km.
So do the maths.
 
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Rafale AESA radar on a fighter size target is in the 200km range.
Meteor official range is >> 100km (and more probably > 150km) when NEZ is >> 60km.
So do the maths.
Even mighty & monstrous Bars radar wont get a lock at that range, and the OEM advertise around 150 km fir meteor. Now use logic and commonsense, your projected figure is achievable only if french have contacted alien civilization for technology transfer.
 

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Even mighty & monstrous Bars radar wont get a lock at that range, and the OEM advertise around 150 km fir meteor. Now use logic and commonsense, your projected figure is achievable only if french have contacted alien civilization for technology transfer.
BARS is russian (harsh electronic), it is PESA, it is not impressive in term of peak output power.

so.... nothing impressive.
 

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BARS is russian (harsh electronic), it is PESA, it is not impressive in term of peak output power.

so.... nothing impressive.
Rafale is an aesa radar, its an impressive radar against comparing to jamming, and a versatile radar like most of the aesa radar. But like all aesa radar, its having that inherent problem of range compares to pesa radar with same power output.
If f15's ridiculously large aesa cannot lock on target at 200km, and if f22's AESA cannot do that there is no way rafale doing it. FYI 200 km target acquisition can be achieved, but those all are either land based radars oe ship based radar.
 

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Rafale is an aesa radar, its an impressive radar against comparing to jamming, and a versatile radar like most of the aesa radar. But like all aesa radar, its having that inherent problem of range compares to pesa radar with same power output.
If f15's ridiculously large aesa cannot lock on target at 200km, and if f22's AESA cannot do that there is no way rafale doing it. FYI 200 km target acquisition can be achieved, but those all are either land based radars oe ship based radar.
RBE2 PESA has a 100km range (when RDY2 is in the 120km).
BRE2 AA (the prototyp, made with US "average in quality" modules) has 30 to 40% improvement to PESA. This is this radar that justified the UAE request of a more powerfull radar (from 9.6Kw to 13 or 14Kw).
RBE2 AESA (with european top quality modules) demonstrates a 100% improvement on PESA. ie 200 km more or less.

Size of the antenna is one thing (important for sure). Quality of the components another (as shown by the AA radar). Electronic reatment refinements another also.
 

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Google now showing impact Point of PAF H-4 bomb near Narian military headquarters
 

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The bomb seems to have built a road for us as well, and also perfectly cleared the land of all vegeration for new construction. Chinese tech sure is amazing.
This chinese tech can make a boundary wall also while dropping a bomb. In Paxtan they use it to make tennis courts also.
 

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yes. it will be great because i have seen rumors of j-10c. bad news for iaf. i hope this time they will face paf.
Bet you, during actual war PAF won't be able to fly even in Pakistani air space let alone crossing the border, while IAF will be shooting down Pak fighters from within our own borders. Apart from that IAF will be destroying any Pak ground targets with stand off ammunition and missiles again from within our own borders....😊😊

If at all IAF crosses the border entire Pak ground tracking and radars will silenced with electronic warfare as you have already seen during Balakot when PAF was completely blinded and reacted only after IAF left Pak borders.....😀😀
 

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PA is very smart when it comes to manipulating local Abduls.

Do song and dance for 27th Feb and fuel nationalism & sense of victory while sign a ceasefire agreement couple of days before to suppress any criticism of selling out "oppressed" Kashmiris to Kafirs. Timing was precise!
Lost every war they started and they still rule the country. What can we expect.
 
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