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You counted 300k graduates from Madrasahs in the previous post. One made it as a property developer anecdotally. What do the rest do? With the current amount of Fatwa givers, Do you think there would ever be any agreement and Peace?
The actual numbers of Madressah graduates in Pakistan is over a million per year and yes we do need them. Most continue with normal jobs or businesses while serving Islam. Others become Madressah teachers or Imam masjid. Since we attend mosque five times a day every day, we do need dedicated and qualified people to lead our prayers. it's not like Christianity where Sunday attendance is enough or Hinduism where a porcelain figurine at home is enough.
About university graduates Pakistan produces about 3 million graduates each year and rising.
So Madressah graduates are still a third of university graduates.
 
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Wow Stephen going back to a forum that thrives on spreading hatred using multiple IDs and insinuating it’s something to be proud of shows me an insight to your character.
You make sweeping statements telling us all Pakistani are bla bla bla - then why the frig do you go and support their forum? Your funny friend 😀

I joined PDF to understand pakistani thinking

When I realised that their attitude towards is one of Irreconcilable Hatred towards India;
it became a free for all slugfest

I dont go to support them ; I would go to Rub in their Problems ; Failures and Disasters

You do know that your country is heading towards some serious problems this year

So in future when your PDF guys are demoralised ; it would be very nice to rub it in

By proud ; I meant that Indians who are banned ; re join Only to fight with PDF pakistanis
 
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Agree friend - that’s whats even more puzzling. The hatred anger frustration is on a different level.
Maybe you will one day fathom it out. I for one can’t tolerate the hypocrisy and will always call a spade a spade.
Sometimes the truth hurts but denying it simply isn’t me.

Surprisingly the Pakistanis who appear on your national TV channels are quite Level headed

Similarly those who comment on News sites are also Good people

PDF is an exception
 
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But no one can be that blind to their surroundings or that deluded.

They are neither Blind nor deluded

They know that Indians are reading their Posts

So they HAVE to appear Big ; strong ; powerful and Show that they are on top of all their problems
 
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I joined PDF to understand pakistani thinking

When I realised that their attitude towards is one of Irreconcilable Hatred towards India;
it became a free for all slugfest

I dont go to support them ; I would go to Rub in their Problems ; Failures and Disasters

You do know that your country is heading towards some serious problems this year

So in future when your PDF guys are demoralised ; it would be very nice to rub it in

By proud ; I meant that Indians who are banned ; re join Only to fight with PDF pakistanis

I’m proud of only myself and my achievements. In the forum world I have realised there is good and bad in all countries - your obsession with issues is Pakistan is eye catching - are you blinded by India’s issues? I personally don’t mind accepting Pakistans issues and potential issues - it won’t affect me or my lifestyle.
Now friend I will repeat not all Pakistani people are the same - accept and do move on
 
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They are neither Blind nor deluded

They know that Indians are reading their Posts

So they HAVE to appear Big ; strong ; powerful and Show that they are on top of all their problems
Then why do you give them oxygen? FFS don’t respond or bite and they’ll drown in their own puke
 
I don't understand why Indians are still posting there.

It is a psychological battle

And the Best part is that though they have banned all the Senior Guys

The Newcomers are also giving it back nice and hard to them

And since Pakistan on the whole is on a free fall ; A Few Indian Members are enough to
make them CRINGE :LOL:
 
It is a psychological battle

And the Best part is that though they have banned all the Senior Guys

The Newcomers are also giving it back nice and hard to them

And since Pakistan on the whole is on a free fall ; A Few Indian Members are enough to
make them CRINGE :LOL:

They've realised they screwed up.

They are not banning people for 10 times the stuff I would get banned every second day for.

Cheers, Doc
 
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I’m proud of only myself and my achievements. In the forum world I have realised there is good and bad in all countries - your obsession with issues is Pakistan is eye catching - are you blinded by India’s issues? I personally don’t mind accepting Pakistans issues and potential issues - it won’t affect me or my lifestyle.
Now friend I will repeat not all Pakistani people are the same - accept and do move on

I am only talking of PDF pakistanis ; not all Pakistanis

You are conflating various issues

However If you think that what UK Pakistanis do will Not affect your country's name and image ; you are wrong
 
Then why do you give them oxygen? FFS don’t respond or bite and they’ll drown in their own puke

It is the Thrill of the Chase ; that is why ; the idea is to make them " accept " their sorry state of affairs ; which earlier they did nt do so

Slowly they are getting demoralised by What is Happening
in the real world

They still like to put up a Brave face knowing that Indians are reading their posts
But ultimately even the Tough Guys do start crying
 
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Pakistan: a Chinese colony?
There are many who are critical of CPEC, arguing that it is China’s plan to colonise Pakistan

Dr Ejaz Hussain
APRIL 8, 2018

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China-Pakistan relations are simple and complicated at the same time. Though Pakistan became the first country to recognise communist China, the latter was more interested in India in the 1950s. It was the 1962 Indo-China war that brought China closer to Pakistan in terms of settling the border. Moreover, the 1965 India-Pakistan war brought Pakistan even closer to China. Pakistan got weapons from Beijing and the latter benefited economically. Noticeably, during the 1965, 1971 and 1999 wars, China did not come forth to side with Pakistan militarily but did diplomatically.

Indeed, Beijing never remained in a position nor was it willing to fight Pakistan’s wars. Nevertheless, Pakistan’s fractured relations with the United States enhanced its military, and now it is very dependent on China. With abject poverty and socio-economic instability emanating from our flawed policies, it makes sense to find investment and business opportunities that could prevent economic downfall. The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) falls in the foregoing category. In my earlier research, I tried to assess, based on primary data, the structural and strategic sustainability of CPEC. I was convinced that CPEC is a wonderful opportunity that the Pakistani authorities should deliberate comprehensively. Issues related to its transparency and terms and conditions, such as rate of return, must be negotiated meaningfully.

Nevertheless, as predicted in one of my academic articles, CPEC is now in its second phase where industrial zones have been proposed and the work on infrastructure is ongoing. With intensification of infrastructural development such as construction of motorways in parts of Pakistan, the security aspect of the Corridor has assumed added significance. In this respect, the provincial and federal government have raised ‘special forces’ from among the police and the army. Given the incidence of intermittent terrorism, Pakistan seems very protective of the Chinese workforce. The Chinese state, on its part, also seems overprotective of its nationals working in various capacities in this country. In the wake of the killing of two Chinese missionaries near Quetta in 2017 and the death of another in Karachi early this year, the Chinese embassy in Islamabad issued a security alert for all its citizens residing and working in Pakistan.

Since then the Pakistani side has taken measures to prevent such incidents in the future. In addition, as per investigation, the Chinese couple killed in Quetta moved on its own and that too in a ubiquities manner in a highly sensitive area. The one who got killed in Karachi was reportedly involved in bank theft. Indeed, certain Chinese nationals were caught red-handed in an ATM theft in Karachi and Islamabad. In addition, there are cases of Chinese nationals, including women scuffling, for example, with Pakistani shopkeepers. A simple Google or YouTube search will prove this.

To add insult to injury, the other day, a number of Chinese workers were filmed while assaulting certain personnel of the police that were stationed there in Noor Pur camp (Khanewal, Punjab) to provide security to these Chinese nationals. The video of this shameful incident went viral on social media. At one point during the scuffle with the police, the country project manager, Xu Libing, stood arrogantly on the bonnet of the police van with the Pakistani flag visible beside his joggers and shorts. Personally, I felt bad, humiliated and infuriated since we, as a nation, have acknowledged our brotherly friendship with China as being ‘higher than mountains’.

All Chinese nationals who fail to respect Pakistani law and government employees need to be taken to task

Alas, it fell deep down into the canyon of egoistic arrogance and anger of the aforementioned Chinese workers. Noticeably, this is the second such incident in the same region. Furthermore, these Chinese workers have been found to be in violation of various Pakistani laws according to police reports. The police high-ups have termed five Chinese workers as ‘persona non grata’ and recommended their expulsion from Pakistan. Reportedly, the incident occurred due to the non-compliance of the Chinese workers who, reportedly, wanted to be on their own so they could rendezvous with local prostitutes.

This incident has been widely cited by CPEC sceptics, who argue that it is China’s plan to colonise Pakistan. Indeed, many in my circle viewed the project negatively. One of my students said, “The party has just started. See what comes next.” Another shared on my Facebook page that “Pakistan’s sovereignty lies under the feet of the [Chinese] guy who sternly stood on the [police] van”. Then there were those who felt jubilant over the fate of the police as the latter, in their view, is corrupt and serves as tool for a landed feudals and politicians. In my conversation on a We Chat Chinese-Pakistani group, a Chinese scholar on Pakistan blamed the (social) media, India and the US for exploiting the incident. In his view, such police-civilian scuffle is a routine in China. I tend to disagree with all these opinions. First, not every Pakistani policeman is corrupt. Indeed, the police is an integral part of law enforcement and state institutions. Its role cannot be demoted. Secondly, the police’s interaction with civilians can get messy in any country. The point is, how many times has a Pakistani beat the Chinese police in China? Thirdly, it is not the first such incident.

In order to put an end to such insulting and humiliating incidents, it is urgently necessary on the part of Pakistan to expel individuals who do not respect Pakistani law or the uniforms of state employees. If Pakistan does not take due measures today, this will only invite more incidents like this. Being blinded by sheer arrogance and a sense of superiority, the Chinese may one day scuffle with the army too, which also provides Chinese nationals with security. Lastly, if CPEC is not negotiated rationally and managed intelligently, and if Pakistan continues to enhance its dependency on Chinese weapons, capital, technology and workforce, the testable notions of the colonisation of Pakistan will get sufficient data in the years to come.

The writer is Head, Department of Social Sciences, Iqra University, Islamabad. He is a DAAD, FDDI and Fulbright Fellow. He tweets @ejazbhatty
Published in Daily Times, April 8th 2018.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/225183/pak...hinese-colony/
 
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I joined PDF to understand pakistani thinking

When I realised that their attitude towards is one of Irreconcilable Hatred towards India;
it became a free for all slugfest

I dont go to support them ; I would go to Rub in their Problems ; Failures and Disasters

You do know that your country is heading towards some serious problems this year

So in future when your PDF guys are demoralised ; it would be very nice to rub it in

By proud ; I meant that Indians who are banned ; re join Only to fight with PDF pakistanis
Best part is their own defense minister is trolling them giving out statements like signing deals for t90, su35 and s400.
 
ISI and CIA jointly trained "Afghania Mujahideen" not talaban. Most of you haven't got a clue what you are on about.

It is a well known fact that you trained, funded and armed Mujhaideen, and also occasionally embedded your own SSG operatives with them. And the select few warlords like Hekmatyar who you treated preferentially (they always met the same profile; Pashtun and hardline Islamist), in terms of funneling the overwhelming amount of aid to them, later rose up post Soviet withdrawal and became the Taliban, which the ISI actively supported.
 
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Last time I checked no Pakistani official person got internally searched like an Indian diplomat. Shall I now list how India is perceived outside India?
I will repeat generalising about ALL Pakistani is immature - suggest you look at your own backyard and see what that brings up

That search was interestingly ordered by an Indian Origin Attorney himself, to prove a point. But feel free to put up an Indian passport vs a Pakistani passport any day. Hell, go back and watch the video of that Pakistani actress, or whoever she was, that came out a few months ago where she describes her ordeals traveling on a Pakistani passport vs members of her own crew who had Indian ones.
 
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It is a well known fact that you trained, funded and armed Mujhaideen, and also occasionally embedded your own SSG operatives with them. And the select few warlords like Hekmatyar who you treated preferentially (they always met the same profile; Pashtun and hardline Islamist), in terms of funneling the overwhelming amount of aid to them, later rose up post Soviet withdrawal and became the Taliban, which the ISI actively supported.
Try again.
Taliban were not the ex-Mujahideen. Those were a different Creed.
 
Try again.
Taliban were not the ex-Mujahideen. Those were a different Creed.

Yes they were, they were the remnants of the hardline Islamist Pashtuns who the ISI preferentially funneled most of the American "aid" to during the Soviet-Afghan War. Further bolstered by those native Pakistanis and Afghan Refugees who were radicalized in Pakistan during Zia ul Haq's time.

The Northern Alliance which fought against them was composed of many people who had also taken part in the same war, but these were groups other than Pashtuns, like Tajiks and Uzbeks, and were not as hardcore Islamist.

After the US cut and ran; India, Russia and Iran backed the Northern Alliance, and Pakistan continued backing the Taliban. The US then returned post-9/11 as part of the War on Terror and started working with the Northern Alliance to knock out your laadle Taliban.
 
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Yes they were, they were the remnants of the hardline Islamist Pashtuns who the ISI preferentially funneled most of the American "aid" to during the Soviet-Afghan War. Further bolstered by those native Pakistanis and Afghan Refugees who were radicalized in Pakistan during Zia ul Haq's time.

The Northern Alliance which fought against them was composed of many people who had also taken part in the same war, but these were groups other than Pashtuns, like Tajiks and Uzbeks, and were not as hardcore Islamist.

After the US cut and ran; India, Russia and Iran backed the Northern Alliance, and Pakistan continued backing the Taliban. The US then returned post-9/11 as part of the War on Terror and started working with the Northern Alliance to knock out your laadle Taliban.
No they weren't. You weren't even born back then. What do you know?
Taliban were as the name suggests, students of religious seminaries in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They were mainly war orphans who were given accommodation and food by us the Pakistanis during Soviet Afghan war, and before you start, I may also mention that the US aid all the way during Soviet Afghan war was less than 90 USD per Afghan refugee per year. Not even enough to feed them basic food for a few months, let alone an year. The burden of feeding them, clothing them and sheltering them was taken by us the common people of Pakistan and charities like that of Hafiz saeed.
I will write a more detailed account later from my own memory, right now it's gym time.
 
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