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Mar 15, 2018

Unfriending Pakistan​

All things considered, a review of the relationship between Washington and Islamabad seems long overdue.​

Who's to blame for America's humiliating surrender in Afghanistan, the dishonorable abandonment of American citizens along with Afghans who sided with us against the Taliban and al Qaeda, the disgraceful treatment of NATO allies, and the lethal incompetence with which the retreat was carried out? The buck stops on the desk behind which Joe Biden sits. But we would be remiss to ignore the contributions of others to this historic fiasco. Prominent among them: Pakistan's leaders.

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I take no pleasure in saying this. I first visited Pakistan 38 years ago. Most of the people I encountered were gracious, hospitable, and tolerant. They were open to talking about anything – in English!

Of course, four years prior to my visit, angry mobs had stormed the American embassy in Islamabad, incensed over reports – entirely erroneous – that the US had been involved in the seizure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca. But after that crisis passed, Muhamad Zia-ul-Haq – a four-star general who became the country's president after deposing Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto – was eager to improve relations with the US

I attended a small dinner he hosted. His eyes were as dark and predatory as a shark's. But he didn't seem like a bad guy – as dictators go.

He was then providing a haven for a flood of refugees from Afghanistan where Soviet forces were supporting a communist government at war with Muslim guerrillas. Both Washington and Islamabad favored the guerrillas who, most Americans believed, were throwing off a foreign occupation, not launching a new global jihad against infidels and heretics.

Nevertheless, over the five years that followed, President Zia would establish Sharia laws and courts, appoint Islamists to senior government posts, restrict the rights of women and religious minorities, criminalize "blasphemy," and add whipping, stoning, and amputation to the list of punishments meted out to those deemed miscreants.

My last visit to Pakistan was in 2009. During the less than two weeks I was there, four terrorist attacks were carried out inside the country. One, attributed to the Pakistani Taliban, targeted the equivalent of the Pentagon. Armed with automatic weapons, grenades, and rocket launchers, the terrorists fought for 22 hours. Hostages were taken, and a brigadier, a colonel, and three commandos were reportedly killed.

The reaction of many Pakistanis struck me as shockingly blasé. And even some of those who condemned attacks by the Pakistani Taliban against Pakistanis condoned attacks by the Afghan Taliban against Americans.

Suspicion was already growing that al Qaeda's central leadership, possibly including Osama bin Laden, was hiding out in Pakistan. I had noted that in a column and, on a television program, was scolded by the host for having done so.

Those suspicions were borne out, of course. And we now know for certain that powerful elements within Pakistan's military and intelligence establishment helped create the Afghan Taliban in the early 1990s and continued to fund and train its fighters even after the US intervention in 2001. The Taliban's close alliance with al Qaeda apparently troubled them not at all.

Author Elliot Ackerman, who served as a Marine in Afghanistan, is hardly alone in believing that had Pakistani leaders ended that support and shut the border to the Taliban – whose leaders retreated to Pakistani bases every winter – the organization would have "collapsed" rather than soldiering on until American leaders grew tired and quit – the outcome the jihadis both expected and predicted.

Pakistani leaders continue to support Islamic supremacists and jihadis of various stripes. Former Pakistani Ambassador Husain Haqqani, now a scholar at the Hudson Institute, has written: "While Pakistan's establishment has alternated between various Islamist factions, mainstreaming one while suppressing another, it has never thought about mainstreaming secularists who have been dubbed as traitors or unfaithful to the ideology of Pakistan."

The "international community," rhetorically committed to nuclear non-proliferation, failed to prevent Pakistan from detonating a nuclear weapon in 1998, the same year al Qaeda bombed two American embassies in African and bin Laden issued his infamous fatwa: "The rule to kill Americans and their allies – civilians and military – is a sacred duty for any Muslim." Pakistani physicist A. Q. Khan, father of Islamabad's illicit nuclear arsenal, illicitly transferred nuclear technology to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. Many Pakistanis regard him as a hero.

Following President Biden's "unconditional surrender to an amorphous armed rabble" – as Indian journalist Shekhar Gupta aptly phrased it – Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan declared "the shackles of slavery" broken. The head of Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, Lt. Gen. Faiz Hameed, was welcomed by the Taliban in Kabul. Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmoud Qureshi paid a call on Ebrahim Raisi, the new president of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Though designated a "major non-NATO ally," Pakistan maintains a close alliance with Beijing, and its military has links with the People's Liberation Army. Nevertheless, between 2002 and 2018, the US government gave Pakistan more than $33 billion in assistance.

The Trump administration cut aid to Pakistan, but a broader reconsideration of this disappointing relationship is long overdue. I know it's tricky: We don't want to push Islamabad closer to America's sworn enemies. But if Pakistan's leaders have decided that their interests are best served as clients of China (ignoring Beijing's persecution of the Muslims of Xinjiang), allies of Tehran's imperialist jihadis, and supporters of the Taliban, al Qaeda, and other Islamist terrorists, this marriage cannot be saved.

President Biden inherited a long list of mistakes, misjudgments, and unfinished business from his predecessors. But, as noted, he currently occupies an office that contains a desk from which bucks can be passed no further.


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Jun 19, 2019
Talk about india where one tweet against BJP lands you in jail

Our stock market crossed 60,000 today. You keep beating drum of kashmir, hindutva, RAA. Forget stock market, you can't even keep agriculture straight and now became net importer from exporter. And many paxtanis were celebrating events of 26 Jan.

That's how leaders work, on the ground, not writing essays on Twitter.
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Jan 1, 2018
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There will be such incidents that end in the courts. Not like in the `land of pure` where the regulator and the state openly endorse it.
Give me an example which such incident ended in the court and the claimant won against the government?
Indian wet dreams 😅😅😅
Indian wet dreams 😅😅😅
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Jan 5, 2018
Give me an example which such incident ended in the court and the claimant won against the government?

97% of such cases are acquitted. Sedition is the hardest of all. We do not have a blasphemy law. The problem in India is how slow the judicial process is not that it's nonexistent like in the land of pure.

Let me ask the same, Give me an example of conviction.


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Dec 22, 2017
Balochistan is Now a Geostrategic Center of Gravity in South Asia

So free Balochistan is now on US radar....😊


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Dec 3, 2017

After Sikh man's killing, community members start moving out of KPK: Report​

The targeted killings of Sikhs in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) province have increased significantly in the last few years, local media reported. According to a report in The Daily Wattan, the Sikh community in KPK has started migrating to other parts of Pakistan in hope of safety.

The latest to be killed was Satnam Singh, a Unani medicine practitioner, who had migrated to KPK's capital Peshawar from Orakzai district hoping for a safe life, the publication reported. The 45-year-old was gunned down at his clinic on Thursday by unidentified men, police said.

He was hit by four bullets and died instantly. The killers escaped from the scene.

Singh was a well-known member of the Sikh community and ran Dharmandar Pharmacy on Charsadda Road in Peshawar, the capital of KPK. He had lived in the city for the past 20 years.

In a message posted on social media late on Thursday, Islamic State-Khorasan claimed responsibility for the killing.

The Daily Wattan report claimed that as many as 13 Sikhs have been killed in KPK by terrorists in the last six-seven years. Dr Swaran Singh, former advisor to ex-KPK chief minister Parvez Khan Khattak, was one of them. Charanjit Singh, a prominent Sikh community leader, was killed by unidentified men in 2018, while television anchor Ravinder Singh was killed in the city last year.

Due to rising number of such incidents, the families of the minority community have started shifting to Hasanabdal, Lahore, and Nanakna Sahib which have a sizeable Sikh population, reported The Daily Wattan.

Islamic State-Khorasan, which is based in Afghanistan, has stepped up attacks in several Afghan cities since the Taliban marched into Kabul on August 15. It claimed the deadly suicide attack at Kabul airport on August 26 that killed nearly 170 Afghans and 13 US military personnel.