Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

I mean from a practical perspective , anti ship role can also be hitting a large container ship that is either slow moving or anchor dropped just outside a harbour, with precious enemy cargo in it (oil, steel, anything vital for wartime use). So technically such a ship hit would still be classified as anti ship mission but given it is a very large ship a larger payload can be used with Dhanush from a makeshift setup platform. Basically the sort of stuff houthis were doing. With correct guidance mechanism such a mission can be pulled off during wartime without exposing capital warships for such secondary role. Those ships can do other mission like hitting port infra or tackling enemy warship.
No, it won't be able to hit any moving platform. It's a very complex thing to achieve. No, the Houthis did not hit any ships with ballistic missiles, even though they tried. Probably they didn't have anything else to fire. The reason for the existence of Dhanush was a stopgap nuclear deterrence. We already had Brahmos in numbers. There was no need to pursue this route.
 
No, it won't be able to hit any moving platform. It's a very complex thing to achieve. No, the Houthis did not hit any ships with ballistic missiles, even though they tried. Probably they didn't have anything else to fire at. The reason for the existence of Dhanush was a stopgap nuclear deterrence. We already had Brahmos in numbers. There was no need to pursue this route.
I choose to disagree. Its much limited in terms of capability but it is there if the mission is planned accordingly and a strap on guidance scheme can be made for it. Its a very unconventional method but it is what the enemy will least expect. The path planning, simulated trajectory and terminal phase engagement method show this missiles built in course planning was to be used as a guided weapon all along to hit with precision, albeit with a larger cep than current gen system. In those days the course update via data link was not possible so this was never demonstrated. Perhaps some day.

Three is no need to debate about the nuke duty part. Average naval personnel would not handle that so it matters little for the nuke triad part. For a limited period of time some airframe can serve as third leg of nuke delivery no issue there.
 
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We've moved quite far ahead. That's the only thing that I would say at the moment;)
I do not know about progress but they use the same scramjet test facility which was in the picture recently, they use that facility to test PDE system. RDE is also on similar lines and some basic test are done sometimes. Got very good strong rigs that can withstand the huge shock of detonation blast waves jerk. There was a general concept of a PDE based SAM which is supposed to be throttlable during the flight phase.

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Javelin under emergency procurement is happening! 🤦‍♂️
Man, I can’t make head or tail of some of our procurement decisions. What’s the point of buying something like the Javelin when we already have capable indigenous option? If we really have to import, at least go for systems we don’t already have or can't produce ourselves. This just doesn’t make senss. 🤦
 
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Well army is interested so there was reason for MoD to give the go ahead. We gotta admit if the user want something desperately the govt will likely oblige. What indigenous system can do is make a very good product but we know certain effort is lacking.
Given the huge volume of konkurs M available, javelin or any other system (spike) will not match in numbers unless local tot production offered. Army likes the old vintage systems more and given they are practical I think maybe there is some logic.
 

User trials of Extended Range Anti-Submarine Rocket successfully carried out from INS Kavaratti​

Posted On: 08 JUL 2025 7:51PM by PIB Delhi

User trials of Extended Range Anti-Submarine Rocket (ERASR) were successfully carried out from INS Kavaratti from June 23, 2025 to July 07, 2025. DRDO’s Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, in association with High Energy Materials Research Laboratory and Naval Science & Technological Laboratory, has designed and developed ERASR for indigenous rocket launcher (IRL) of Indian Naval Ships.

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ERASR is a totally indigenous anti-submarine rocket used to combat submarine and fired from onboard IRL of Indian Naval Ships. It has twin-rocket motor configuration to meet a wide spectrum of range requirements with high accuracy and consistency. The ERASR uses an indigenously developed Electronic Time Fuze.

A total of 17 ERASRs were successfully test evaluated at different ranges. All the specified objectives of the trials such as Range performance, Electronic Time Fuze functioning and Warhead functioning were successfully demonstrated.

Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad and Solar Defence & Aerospace Limited, Nagpur are the Production Partners for ERASR Rockets. With successful completion of User Trials, Indian Navy is expected to induct the ERASR System soon.

Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh has congratulated DRDO, Indian Navy and the Industry involved in the development & trials of the system. He stated that the induction of this system into the Indian Navy will boost its striking power.

Secretary Department of Defence R&D and Chairman DRDO Dr Samir V Kamat also complimented the teams involved in the design and development of ERASR.
 
Well army is interested so there was reason for MoD to give the go ahead. We gotta admit if the user want something desperately the govt will likely oblige. What indigenous system can do is make a very good product but we know certain effort is lacking.
Given the huge volume of konkurs M available, javelin or any other system (spike) will not match in numbers unless local tot production offered. Army likes the old vintage systems more and given they are practical I think maybe there is some logic.
This is more related to geopolitics. The Kornet or Konkurs are not real fire-and-forget ATGMs (NLOS); the user needs to be in line of sight for some time to guide them. Spike/Javelin are good fire-and-forget ATGMs with top attack mode. There's nothing wrong with keeping your inventory up-to-date during peacetime. When war happens, you burn your inventory faster than your Diwali firecracker.
 
I hear that Missile is one area where india is on par with best of the world...that means we are capable of building any type of missile and bomb in time bound manner....but I keep hearing news of India acquiring/acquired missile and bombs like Rampage, Crystal mage, lora ,rock, sky sting, ice breaker...why don't india develops it's own equivalent of these systems...or if forces feel a need of new requirements missile or bomb they/mod/drdo should initiate a program ...why we just keep running to buy all these foreign system when we ourselves can develop it..is it lack of will or communication between mod drdo and forces or something else..
 
Guys I was reading the book Weapons of Peace by Raj Chengappa (an excellent book, highly recommend) and to my astonishment, India tried to build a 8,000 km ICBM way back in 1970!!!!

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The project was called Valiant and it didnt succeed, but they developed a liquid engine for it which was later used for Prithvi (a decision Abdul Kalam was against).
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The Valiant failed but it had set up the groundwork for Prithvi and Agni. The people at DRDL shoved the liquid engine down Kalams and VK Saraswats throat during Prithvis development because they said whatever they developed at valiant would go to waste. As a result, Prithvi 1 had to be refuelled and prepared for a whopping 12 hours before it could have been launched.

A picture of Valiants engine being test fired:
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