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Ashwin said:
So many things are coming together: Trump's failure on Russia, the US-China deal, MAGA base's racism towards Indians, tariffs, and his personal ego.
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Many in India (as well as NRIs) support the US Right without understanding this. While Left vs Right can imply many different domains, Indians tend to view it more from an economic lens. Let me tell you the US left is _FAR_ from being socialist. Apart from a couple of vocal yet ignored voices, the Left majority has fully bought into capitalism-- though prefers a minimal social safety net. On the other hand, the US right has shifted from focusing on economic policies (No govt. regulation) to focusing on identity politics.

As the trade discussions unravel into mud slinging, persons of Indian origin in the US will start to feel the heat.
 
jmaxwell_ said:
Many in India (as well as NRIs) support the US Right without understanding this. While Left vs Right can imply many different domains, Indians tend to view it more from an economic lens. Let me tell you the US left is _FAR_ from being socialist. Apart from a couple of vocal yet ignored voices, the Left majority has fully bought into capitalism-- though prefers a minimal social safety net. On the other hand, the US right has shifted from focusing on economic policies (No govt. regulation) to focusing on identity politics.

As the trade discussions unravel into mud slinging, persons of Indian origin in the US will start to feel the heat.
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People here do not read about internal politics enough. Democrats are also capitalists, as you pointed out, this statement warps the minds of left leaning individuals in India.

Additionally, a lot of people jumping onto the military import bandwagon are in for a rude awakening due the current trade climate and geopolitical situation. The internal political climate in the States is also such that any and all military sales are under a lot of scrutiny by the public. Earlier people were not so focused on arms sales.
 
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Shan said:
here the United States is concerned, it continues to import from Russia uranium hexafluoride for its nuclear industry, palladium for its EV industry, fertilizers as well as chemicals.
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This is exactly why we should not bend to US diktats. Its not just sanctions they want to break us & will continue to create excuses for the same.
 
Shan said:
People here do not read about internal politics enough. Democrats are also capitalists, as you pointed out, this statement warps the minds of left leaning individuals in India.

Additionally, a lot of people jumping onto the military import bandwagon are in for a rude awakening due the current trade climate and geopolitical situation. The internal political climate in the States is also such that any and all military sales are under a lot of scrutiny by the public. Earlier people were not so focused on arms sales.
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why should we care to give a damn about internal politics in US? whether it is led by neocons or some one else.

US needs military exports to support their expensive projects like F-35. Long time back Indian orders c-17 helped to keep their assembly lines open for more than 2 years. All these actions just reinforces the the long held view the US is not a country to to be trusted.
 
Asterion Moloc said:

The Rebbe on How to Handle a US Secretary of State​



While, not directly related with India-US relations, I feel we can learn from it on how to deal with US pressure and the way US thinks on issues once you cave in. Very informative 5 mins.

More on this Rabbi from wiki: Menachem Mendel Schneerson - Wikipedia


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Bumping my old post in this thread.

This particular quote is important on how US operates

When Americans exert pressure, they are testing how important an issue is; how integral is it to your survival? When you cave, you are declaring that it's not truly imperative.
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If we have to stop oil purchase from Russia we should extract something in return.
What that would be is not important but the cost should be high for whatever it is.

Tangentially, I don't know how much Israel can help us in this case, both lutnick and miller are jews themselves maybe we should reach the US through Israel and give it a try.
 
Asterion Moloc said:
Tangentially, I don't know how much Israel can help us in this case, both lutnick and miller are jews themselves maybe we should reach the US through Israel and give it a try.
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Israel , friends with benefits. Lesser we trust/believe israel better it is, they will sell you for few cents.
 
Op sindoor really did a number on USA. Their whole establishment, especially army and old fogeys have been rattled and grasping for anything to deter India's growth.

Our govt must also know something, the Chinese are suddenly adopting a wait and watch tactics vis a vis USA-pak and India.

Hopefully our IB and wider security establishment is prepared to thwart and covert-indirect misadventure by the deep state.
Were they hurt that a south asia country didn't ask for their "permission" or consult them before undertaking such an operation. But then again, it should've been obvious.

Did our military knowingly target something that unnerved US military! Was there more signalling than we think was going on. Or is it all just a random coincidence.
Or just a conspiracy theory?

Cause this is now not limited to trade. Either there's some bet Trump made with his billionaire buddies that he will get a Nobel peace prize at any cost or lose his fortune.. OR .. any guesses?
 
Is it me or someone else who feels frustrated with middle class idiots running Indian beaurocracy and decisioning? Especially with regards to USA! Defence procurement from USA should be done with a view that the *censored*s could back off on agreed deal at a hat's drop. But somehow these idiots keep on making same mistake! Either fukken bar USA from supplying even a single screw or plan for contingencies!

We knew we need F404 to fly these stupid Samosas-MK1 and MK1A since 2000. But these middle class *censored*s called south block could not buy and maintain an inventory of F404 engines. They had to wait till 2022 to place and order and now no engines will be delivered. Its not as if the engines will go bad because they are fukken Aloo in Samosa! But peace of shit South block is too cool for inventory!

Equally stupid is their decision to not fund an alternative safe bet engine like RD-33MK, which has a FADEC and is smokeless. It could have powered the bloody Samosa on a stupid trailer but no........ they will not fund an integration project till it is too late! India has license to make all those engines and they have a great lifetime as well of 4000 hours. We use them in our Mig-29Ks. Heck it would have opened it as an option to those countries that have been shitlisted by America but have a decent relationship with Russia. Heck it could have opened a way to even sell Samosa MK-1A to Russia of all countries! But then South Block is too cool for planning.

Then there is F414.... I mean how stupid these idiots can get? We knew Samosa-MK2 is going to be a thing back in 2015! We could have placed order for F414 in 2016 or 17. And by now we would be having those. But again, NOOOOOOO! We will not stockpile engines because we are too cool for that!

Or we could have done a parallel project to try out RD-93MA since USA is a known unreliable partner! But *censored* yeah! We will never do any planning! Meaning our fifth gen idioticity AMCA (Aao Mere Chootad ke Aage!) is going to be dead in water. Development of flying prototypes will be delayed till 2240 AD.

I mean what kind of middle class idiots they hire in these posts? Do they train them to buy critical tech like they buy onions and potato or fukken bhindi!? Like a fukken shitty Indian family with 50 children and no refrigirator so they buy them daily!

*censored* Indian beaurocracy and its *censored*ed up dealing with USA!

India is truely *censored*ed!
 
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Certain section of the Indian population has come to terms with the fact that the Red hat totting lot are not friends that they claimed to be or were perceived to be. Welcome to reality. If you were on X, you would have already been exposed to it. DJT really pulled a fast one on the NRI lot. Now, the focus should be on how to handle this phase of turmoil. Clarity with regards to objectives is the only way forward (whatever they maybe).
 
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Op sindoor really did a number on USA. Their whole establishment, especially army and old fogeys have been rattled and grasping for anything to deter India's growth.

Our govt must also know something, the Chinese are suddenly adopting a wait and watch tactics vis a vis USA-pak and India.

Hopefully our IB and wider security establishment is prepared to thwart and covert-indirect misadventure by the deep state.
Were they hurt that a south asia country didn't ask for their "permission" or consult them before undertaking such an operation. But then again, it should've been obvious.

Did our military knowingly target something that unnerved US military! Was there more signalling than we think was going on. Or is it all just a random coincidence.
Or just a conspiracy theory?

Cause this is now not limited to trade. Either there's some bet Trump made with his billionaire buddies that he will get a Nobel peace prize at any cost or lose his fortune.. OR .. any guesses?
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hmm, nope. US in general west are not known to take knee jerk reaction , they are more or less calibrated well thought out long term strategy. Probably I see ukraine war is coming to close and they moving on to some thing new.

We should stop assuming that we did some thing extra ordinary, all that we did is bombed pakistan for some time. We did move across the redlines , other than that our technical & economical capabilities still have a long way to go. Dont fall into the trap of self glorified hyper nationalism, we cant even control farmers in our control let alone influence global events.
 
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Is it me or someone else who feels frustrated with middle class idiots running Indian beaurocracy and decisioning? Especially with regards to USA!
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Its not middle class , its the political & bureaucrat elites who have already been sold out. They only enjoy power & privilege and dont care about long-term security as they dont see their future in India. Fact is even if Modi wants to change some thing he will be hamstrung by his own ministers & officials.. There is a good reason most of the decisions are taken in PMO , bcos any decision taken in cabinet is more or less immediately known to foreign powers!

One of the smartest thing US does around the world is to influence & control a section of the ppl at the top who run the show. Whether it is a terrorist in syria or general in pakistan/iraq they will just bribe them with a life in US/West.

US has slowly taken a toe hold in Indian defence with their equipment , it will be pretty hard for India to shake it off. We will see more problems in the future. Shouldnt be surprised if it ends up like what happened to american weapons in Iran.
 
jetray said:
hmm, nope. US in general west are not known to take knee jerk reaction , they are more or less calibrated well thought out long term strategy. Probably I see ukraine war is coming to close and they moving on to some thing new.

We should stop assuming that we did some thing extra ordinary, all that we did is bombed pakistan for some time. We did move across the redlines , other than that our technical & economical capabilities still have a long way to go. Dont fall into the trap of self glorified hyper nationalism, we cant even control farmers in our control let alone influence global events.
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So, a conspiracy theory it is then!

So, all this is just a negotiation tactic? They used the same tactic once before during 2020-2022.
 
Seems a tariff war is on the cards.

Unfortunately, until the moratorium on electronics & pharma tariffs (currently exempt due to ongoing investigation) ends, we won't really have much to fight with. Generic pharma in particular is the number one lever we have to make US feel the pinch.

But of course, nothing stops the US from continuing to exempt pharma while imposing tariffs on sectors that hurt our business. So we may have to end up imposing an export tariff on those exporting pharmaceuticals to the US in order to give ourselves some leverage.

Short-term hurt will be there. But it's either that or long-term geopolitical hurt for the entire country.
 
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There is an influx of people already crying on twitter. There might be some coming in on the forum as well. The doom and gloom brigade is here. There are already 4 front war scenarios being projected and we're being asked if India can fight on all of them and win. Of course you cannot win and will be asked 'ab batao'. Bending the knee was never easier. I just don't understand why Modi will not do so.
 
Advantages of the pharmaceutical Industry of India and China. It has repeatedly been said that SCNs can be rearranged at the drop of a hat.

1. Cost Efficiency Through Scale & Subsidies
China and India maintain decisive advantages in production costs, driven by:

  • Labor cost differentials: Manufacturing wages in these countries remain 70-80% lower than U.S. levels
  • Government subsidies: China strategically supports API (active pharmaceutical ingredient) production through state-backed industrial policies, reducing operational costs by 30-40% compared to Western counterparts
  • Established generics ecosystems: India controls 20% of global generic drug exports, leveraging decades of optimized supply chains that U.S. firms cannot replicate without massive capital investment
2. Pricing Power in Critical Medications

  • Generics dominance: 90% of U.S. generic drug imports originate from India and China, with prices 50-70% below potential U.S.-made equivalents
  • Infrastructure lock-in: Shifting production to the U.S. would require $1.2-$2 billion per facility (FDA 2023 estimates), making domestic production economically unviable for most drugs
3. Strategic Vulnerabilities of Protectionism
Tariffs or reshoring attempts face three key challenges:

  • Price inflation: Brookings analysis shows 25% pharmaceutical tariffs could increase U.S. drug prices by 12-18% annually
  • Supply chain fragility: China produces 60-80% of global API supplies – abrupt decoupling risks medication shortages for 150+ essential drugs
  • Innovation trade-off: Forcing capital into manufacturing could reduce U.S. R&D spending by $3-5 billion annually, weakening long-term competitiveness
While U.S. firms lead in novel drug development, China and India’s structural advantages in generics and API manufacturing create near-insurmountable price barriers. Their cost structures – amplified by state support and specialized infrastructure – position them to undercut U.S. production costs by 40-60% across most therapeutic categories . Any meaningful reshoring would require decade-long subsidies exceeding $30 billion, with no guarantee of price parity.
 
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