IAC-2 Future Aircraft Carrier Project - News & Discussions
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EMALS is the better bet. Anyway, even the steam catapult has to come in from the US. CdG uses American steam catapults.
The Chinese claim to be ahead of the US in the development of EMALS.
The navy has more than enough money for a third carrier. Especially so since its air wing is coming in anyway.
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Navy to tweak its aircraft carrier plan to accommodate surveillance and attack drones
Combination of manned & unmanned systems would mean overall displacement of proposed third aircraft carrier would reduce from 65,000 tonnes, while also decreasing cost.
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Navy to tweak its aircraft carrier plan to accommodate surveillance and attack drones
Combination of manned & unmanned systems would mean overall displacement of proposed third aircraft carrier would reduce from 65,000 tonnes, while also decreasing cost.
Navy to tweak its aircraft carrier plan to accommodate surveillance and attack drones
New Delhi: The Indian Navy is staying firm on its plans for a third aircraft carrier, but discussions are on to tweak design plans to accommodate unmanned aerial vehicles apart from fighter aircraft, ThePrint has learnt.This combination of manned and unmanned systems would mean that the overall displacement of the aircraft carrier would come down from the proposed 65,000 tonnes, while also reducing the cost and time taken to build it.
The development comes as the Navy is working on a modified 15-year Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP), which will be in tune with the 10-year Integrated Capability Development Plan (ICDP) that the Department of Military Affairs is working on to ensure an integrated approach to procurement.
“We are looking at having a combination of both manned and unmanned aircraft on the third aircraft carrier,” a source in the defence and security establishment said.
Asked if the unmanned aircraft will be for surveillance only, the source said, “They will be of different kinds. There will be a mix of both surveillance and attack capability.”
A second source spoke about the reduction in weight and cost of the aircraft carrier.
“The entire design of an aircraft carrier is based on the kind of aircraft it will carry and the number of them. With a mix of both manned and unmanned assets, the weight will come down from the proposed 65,000 tonnes. With this, the cost will also come down,” the second source said.
The sources said this would be the first aircraft carrier to cater to both fighter aircraft and drones.
‘Navy has budgeted for 3rd aircraft carrier’
There has been a debate in the defence establishment on whether India needs a third aircraft carrier.Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Bipin Rawat has, in the past, questioned the viability of the third aircraft carrier, while insisting that the focus should be on submarines.
“All these (third aircraft carrier, new submarines, maritime patrol aircraft) have a definite role. To make a balanced force, all these are required for the capability,” the Navy’s Vice Chief, Vice Admiral Satish Namdeo Ghormade, said in response to a question by ThePrint during a briefing on the upcoming commission of the first of the Visakhapatnam class of guided missile destroyers and the fourth Scorpene Submarine.
He added that the Navy’s MCPP has factored in the aircraft carrier, submarines and the maritime patrol aircraft.
To allay any fears of budget constraints, he said that the MCPP is based on the predicted growth of budget, and how much funding is available. “In our budget, we have catered for all three,” he said.
Ghormade underlined that the maritime environment is a complex one and it only increases with more players involved.
“We live in a time when global and regional balances of power are shifting rapidly and the region of most rapid change is undoubtedly the Indian Ocean Region,” he said. “Continuous efforts are, therefore, on ensuring that our force levels grow progressively to enhance the capability of the Indian Navy to meet the emerging challenges.”
Navy to tweak its aircraft carrier plan to accommodate surveillance and attack drones
Combination of manned & unmanned systems would mean overall displacement of proposed third aircraft carrier would reduce from 65,000 tonnes, while also decreasing cost.
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Standing Committee on Defence recommends three aircraft carriers for Navy
Making the point that a carrier each is required for the two coasts, the committee has said in its report submitted in Parliament that a third ship is needed to bridge operational deficiencies as repair work on the colossal vessels is a time-consuming affair.
Standing Committee on Defence recommends three aircraft carriers for Navy
Making the point that a carrier each is required for the two coasts, the committee has said in its report submitted in Parliament that a third ship is needed to bridge operational deficiencies as repair work on the colossal vessels is a time-consuming affair.m.economictimes.com
First we must get The Rafales M for our Aircraft Carriers And then talk of the 3rd carrier
After 10 years NO MIG 29 K
will be left , all will crash
Better to transfer them to IAF
Having three aircraft carriers will considerably enhance combat capabilities of the Navy, the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence said in its recommendation to the government while also suggesting that it is “worthwhile” to prioritise investment for the development of various island territories as provisional aircraft carrier.
The Navy has been pushing for a second Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-II) based on its force structure centred around three carriers. The country’s first IAC (IAC-I) Vikrant is currently undergoing sea trials and is scheduled to be commissioned in August next year.
“The requirement of third aircraft carrier will be worked out on the Indian Navy’s committed liabilities and future acquisition projects,” the government said in its reply to the Committee.
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The Navy has been pushing for a second Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-II) based on its force structure centred around three carriers. The country’s first IAC (IAC-I) Vikrant is currently undergoing sea trials and is scheduled to be commissioned in August next year.
“The requirement of third aircraft carrier will be worked out on the Indian Navy’s committed liabilities and future acquisition projects,” the government said in its reply to the Committee.
Three aircraft carriers an ‘unavoidable requirement’, says House panel
Calls for development of island territories as provisional aircraft carrier
It is understood that the Indian Navy brass has communicated to the Modi government that it plans to move the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) for acceptance of necessity (AON) of repeat order of 45000 ton Vikrant class of aircraft carrier after shelving plans for larger warship, three nuclear powered conventionally armed submarines (SSN) in collaboration with key allies like France, and high tech diesel-electric submarines under Project 76. Based on the projection that Chinese carrier strike force could be patrolling high seas in Indian Ocean as early as 2025-2026, the Indian Navy does not want gaps in its capabilities and not lose machine tooling capabilities due to lack of orders to shipyards like Kochi and Mazagon. India's first aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya is currently operational while INS Vikrant is undergoing routine overhaul in Karwar Naval base.
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Navy wants a third carrier, nuclear subs to counter China in the Indo-Pacific
Indian understanding is that Chinese aircraft carriers (Liaoning and Shandong) can conduct round-the-clock fighter operations.
Two mega proposals for aircraft carrier, LCA-MK1A jets lined up for DAC approval
DAC to meet at end of October to approve two mega proposals from the Navy and the Air Force worth over ₹1 lakh crore; Navy's Vikrant-like aircraft carrier and 97 LCA-MK1A fighters for IAF, plus Su-30MKI upgrade of 84 jets with 78% indigenous content.
Two mega proposals for aircraft carrier, LCA-MK1A jets lined up for DAC approval
NEW DELHI: The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) chaired by the Defence Minister has two mega proposals lined up from the Navy and the Air Force, estimated to cumulatively cost over ₹1 lakh crore, as it is expected to meet at the end of this month. The Navy’s proposal for a repeat order of a Vikrant-like aircraft carrier, estimated to cost approximately ₹40,000 crore, and 97 additional Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-MK1A fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF), estimated to cost around ₹67,000 crore, are lined up for approval from the DAC, according to defence sources.
Another proposal for major upgrade of 84 SU-30MKI fighter jets at a cost of just over ₹6,000 crore in service with the IAF is set to be taken up by the Defence Procurement Board (DPB), which is scheduled to meet on Friday.
Both the proposals, for a second Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC)-II and 97 LCA-MK1A, have already been cleared by the Defence Procurement Board (DPB) and are expected to be taken up by the DAC at its next meeting, two sources, with knowledge of the matter, independently confirmed to The Hindu. The Sukhoi upgrade proposal is before the DPB which is scheduled to meet on Friday while the DAC is expected to meet on October 29 or 30, one of the sources said.
The proposal for IAC-II was cleared by the DPB in mid-September, one of the highly-placed sources said. The IAC-II displacing 45,000 tonnes will see some modifications and newer technologies incorporated in the original design of the country’s first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) INS Vikrant, which was commissioned in September 2022 and will also be manufactured by Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL).
Chief is saying that they are going with the same design so that they can probably utilize UAVs from the platform. Thus, size will be less of an issue.
India is indeed the most likely of the potential buyers out there for this kind of ship, but I won't be too quick to believe this news given its from the DailyMail.
Pass.
Buying 1 x QE-class doesn't solve any of our issues. Neither does it fill the long-term requirement for a CAT/EMALS platform, nor the short-term requirement for another STOBAR (which anyway is brought about by the need to ensure CSL doesn't lose accrued carrier-building experience. Buying a finished ship doesn't help that in any way).
Even if we buy it, we'll probably have to spend an additional Billion or so to remodel the takeoff ramp, install arresting gear, re-furnish the electronics (all NATO-spec stuff will be removed & replaced with IN-spec) etc. At the end it's propulsion issues will still remain. This is a notoriously expensive ship to keep running.
It would be one thing if we're buying the PoW along with all requisite design info (so we can build at least another ship of the class in the future ourselves) but I doubt that's on the table.
Much better to stick with the plan for Vikrant-II, followed by a two or three-ship class of CATOBAR/EMALS carriers to be built locally sometime in the 2030s.
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That said, I really doubt the UK would be willing to sell off the PoW. I've read the original report, it's just one of the options being considered for study - doesn't mean they'll take it up. The RN has planned it's entire fleet makeup around the two-carrier force, it's gonna be really difficult to tear all that down.
QE-2 is not fit for operating Rafale-M and only for F-35s. Highly doubt Unkil will allow F-35B sale to india, even second hand.