Future Combat Air System (FCAS) - France/Germany

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(…). I can hear the French scream of stab in the back and withdrawing the ambassador. As they did with Australia when we didn't proceed with the sub. They do like to throw a tantrum
On the contrary, many French specialists want to carry out this project without Germany, but with selected industrial partners (as was the case with the Neuron).
 

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@Picdelamirand-oil, @Amarante what is the Dassault Neuron project expected to evolve into? Because Neuron itself a full-scale drone and has been successfully flown, yet has not been inducted into the military. Does France have any military drone program that Neuron is supposed to act as a tech demonstrator for?
 

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@Picdelamirand-oil, @Amarante what is the Dassault Neuron project expected to evolve into? Because Neuron itself a full-scale drone and has been successfully flown, yet has not been inducted into the military. Does France have any military drone program that Neuron is supposed to act as a tech demonstrator for?
It is a technological demonstrator, i.e. it does not correspond to any operational demand but only to implement basic technical solutions that can be used to solve problems that subsequent operational demands might generate.
Such requests will undoubtedly be made in the framework of the SCAF programme.
 

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It is a technological demonstrator, i.e. it does not correspond to any operational demand but only to implement basic technical solutions that can be used to solve problems that subsequent operational demands might generate.
Such requests will undoubtedly be made in the framework of the SCAF programme.
Thanks.

Does the SCAF program go beyond the FCAS fighter jet? If so, what exactly does SCAF involve?
 

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Thanks.

Does the SCAF program go beyond the FCAS fighter jet? If so, what exactly does SCAF involve?
 
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@Picdelamirand-oil, @Amarante what is the Dassault Neuron project expected to evolve into? Because Neuron itself a full-scale drone and has been successfully flown, yet has not been inducted into the military. Does France have any military drone program that Neuron is supposed to act as a tech demonstrator for?
It was supposed to evolve into a join project with Britain, that would have been the successor to both the Neuron and the Taranis and resulted in an operational stealth drone for air-to-ground operations. However, Britain canceled this project just before the step where a joint prototype had to be funded.

Since nature abhors a vacuum, Airbus then went on to suggest to France the idea of a next-gen stealth fighter. Unfortunately, due to his delusions that Europe was a meaningful thing, Macron then invited the German government to participate. The FCAS was from then on doomed to be nothing but a waste of time and money.
 
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It was supposed to evolve into a join project with Britain, that would have been the successor to both the Neuron and the Taranis and resulted in an operational stealth drone for air-to-ground operations. However, Britain canceled this project just before the step where a joint prototype had to be funded.

Pretty long history.

So FOA (Anglo-French, 1995) > FOAS (Anglo-French, 1996) > DPOC (Anglo, 2005) > FCAS (Anglo-French, 2012) > Tempest (Anglo-Italian-Swedish)

Since nature abhors a vacuum, Airbus then went on to suggest to France the idea of a next-gen stealth fighter. Unfortunately, due to his delusions that Europe was a meaningful thing, Macron then invited the German government to participate. The FCAS was from then on doomed to be nothing but a waste of time and money.

Do we know why the UK-French FCAS was cancelled? It was complementary to the current FCAS anyway.
 

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Do we know why the UK-French FCAS was cancelled? It was complementary to the current FCAS anyway.
My hypothesis is that for the British, the UCAV was a Plan B in case the F-35 didn't pan out. Once they got enough confidence that the JSF would get out of its development hell, the stealth strike drone became redundant and they let it drop.
 

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My hypothesis is that for the British, the UCAV was a Plan B in case the F-35 didn't pan out. Once they got enough confidence that the JSF would get out of its development hell, the stealth strike drone became redundant and they let it drop.

Lucky them I guess.
 

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They all need to combine funds, including the UK. None of them have enough on their own. The F-35 R&D is $70 billion and still spending. The important stuff is under the skin.

Whether it's true or false, it's up to the French govt to figure out how much they can pay. Dassault obviously don't like that 'cause they can do the entire thing on their own. And Dassault doesn't have to spend as much as LM has spent on the F-35, they are more efficient with their money, mainly 'cause there are less cooks to spoil the broth.