Delhi, UP and Haryana : Political Discussions

Delhi, today, has taken India back a decade considering what price we will have to pay by clipping Modi's wings further and giving platform to Urban Naxals
Delhi has always been more liberal, and always had the time for all sorts of nautanki movements... So, I dont think what happens in Delhi has much relevance elsewhere...
 
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That's true but I am little disappointing due to the fact that why BJP brought that chaman ch.. as CM candidate?
BJP vote share has increased by around 6 percentage points to around 39 percent inspite of the bhojpuri filmi clown... AAP is steady... But, its congress at 4 percent which has been routed.
 
It is Not the defeat of BJP that is a problem

The opposition is Gloating that It is a defeat of CAA

So the problem is that BJP could not read the voters mind that CAA means NOTHING for Hundreds of millions of
Hindus , It is for a few lakh Hindu refugees

How could BJP expect Consolidation on CAA

CAA IS NOT BALAKOT


Every one knows that if Dr. Harshwardhan had been candidate for Delhi CM, AAP would have got maximum 15 seats only. BJP's selection of bringing Manoj Tiwari was a blundar. No work on ground , he did nothing for Delhi no one knows him.
 
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Every one knows that if Dr. Harshwardhan had been candidate for Delhi CM, AAP would have got maximum 15 seats only. BJP's selection of bringing Manoj Tiwari was a blundar. No work on ground , he did nothing for Delhi no one knows him.

Delhi BJP is full of CM aspirants

Declaring one person as CM candidate
Would have caused factional fights
 
BJP vote share has increased by around 6 percentage points to around 39 percent inspite of the bhojpuri filmi clown... AAP is steady... But, its congress at 4 percent which has been routed.

I am happy that it's congress mukt Delhi. But BJP should learn that bring literate leaders or at least skilled in something. Not some actors from here and there especially in new Delhi. Monoj Tiwari looks bhondu. And no one would want patna style politics in Delhi.
There is no match of this bhojpuri birju with Arvind Kejriwal. Come on man he is an IRS and IIT grad. At least BJP should have thought about it, it's not Bihar politics.

Delhi BJP is full of CM aspirants

Declaring one person as CM candidate
Would have caused factional fights

No one matches Kejriwal. You need people like Piyush Goyal to match him.
 
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Just read my earlier posts I had stated this very fact when I said now we will have Shaheen Bagh everywhere in India. BJP should have lathi Charged these guys in Shaheen bagh and that would have helped BJP more than what they got by not taking any action.
BJP does not need to lathi charge shaheen bagh protesters. We need to remember that BJP vote share has increased by 6 percentage points over 2015. More shaheen bagh like protests will only lead to more hindu consolidation behind BJP. BJP would have done better in delhi, if it had avoided the language of the bully ( goli maro salon ko..) because, what this says at a subconscious level to voters is that, Hindus are dominant, and can inflict violence on muslims. So, there is no need to worry.. BJP should have instead focused more on the "Hindus and Hindustan under danger card" ..
 
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BJP does not need to lathi charge shaheen bagh protesters. We need to remember that BJP vote share has increased by 6 points over 2015. More shaheen bagh like protests will only lead to more hindu consolidation behind BJP. BJP would have done better in delhi, if it had avoided the language of the bully ( goli maro salon ko..) because, what this says at a subconscious level to voters is that, Hindus are dominant, and can inflict violence on muslims. So, there is no need to worry.. BJP should have instead focused more on the "Hindus and Hindustan under danger card" ..

Shaheen Bagh and Jamia were NOT
considered as a threat by Hindus

Therefore there was no need for any
Consolidation
 
UCC is a good way to ban archaic sharia traditions and modernize Muslims (paradoxical) . However, as long as the caste system is still around, there would be plenty of gullible Hindus who would jump ship to either islam or christianity.
 
I will rather go for UCC, NPR & NRC more strongly now. This will help consolidate hindu votes in Bihar and WB.
Sir cultural activities/agenda has limited impact, they won't win you anything however they will make Muslims a solid voting block that will vote overwhelmingly.

The message must always be about development, these things should be used but only as a catalyst, like salt not whole meal. You can test this into any election from UP to everywhere and you'll see the same conclusion.

Kejri did zilch for Delhi, if he was countered on his work he would have nothing, instead great strategist made Shaheen Bagh the only issue. Yes it matters but then people see your own inaction over the issue. You want them to leave subsidies, they did, you want them to struggle to get their own money for national interest they did but for what?

You eroded your credibility and trust slowly. They suffered for months in chaos for demonetization but then saw all the money making back to banks. They suffer with extra tax on petrol and other items but Malya and Nirav Modi and others get away so easily. They get nothing in budget even after paying tax before the income reaches their hands and big corporates gets tax breaks and their NPA too are cleaned up by common man's money.

How much do you want them to keep sacrificing while Jay Shah slowly becomes an important player in BCCI, is it not what congress do? How do you think people should trust you with all this and leave what they are getting for free?

Stay on message, build credibility, build trust, clean up people whose family is rising because they are in power. It has two prong effect, supporters and undecided votes for you and opposition gets demotivated, divided and discouraged. Here in Delhi you did everything to unite opposition and divide supporters, what result you expected? Kejri would have lost very badly if they actually fought on real issues which connect with people.
 
UCC is a good way to ban archaic sharia traditions and modernize Muslims (paradoxical) . However, as long as the caste system is still around, there would be plenty of gullible Hindus who would jump ship to either islam or christianity.

Caste system is in a decline except maybe in some small pockets here and there. Most hindus understand it was a british ploy to subvert hinduism .however decline in caste system doesnt necessarly implies decline in dhimmi hindus. These are tge real enemies of bjp and is not easy to win over them
 
UCC is a good way to ban archaic sharia traditions and modernize Muslims (paradoxical) . However, as long as the caste system is still around, there would be plenty of gullible Hindus who would jump ship to either islam or christianity.
BJP should go ahead with UCC in the next session, although there would not be any electoral gains, it will be good for the country. Also, with BJP appearing to lose seats in Rajya sabha, if it's current form continues. It is better to go ahead with UCC this year.
 
Sir cultural activities/agenda has limited impact, they won't win you anything however they will make Muslims a solid voting block that will vote overwhelmingly.

The message must always be about development, these things should be used but only as a catalyst, like salt not whole meal. You can test this into any election from UP to everywhere and you'll see the same conclusion.

Kejri did zilch for Delhi, if he was countered on his work he would have nothing, instead great strategist made Shaheen Bagh the only issue. Yes it matters but then people see your own inaction over the issue. You want them to leave subsidies, they did, you want them to struggle to get their own money for national interest they did but for what?

You eroded your credibility and trust slowly. They suffered for months in chaos for demonetization but then saw all the money making back to banks. They suffer with extra tax on petrol and other items but Malya and Nirav Modi and others get away so easily. They get nothing in budget even after paying tax before the income reaches their hands and big corporates gets tax breaks and their NPA too are cleaned up by common man's money.

How much do you want them to keep sacrificing while Jay Shah slowly becomes an important player in BCCI, is it not what congress do? How do you think people should trust you with all this and leave what they are getting for free?

Stay on message, build credibility, build trust, clean up people whose family is rising because they are in power. It has two prong effect, supporters and undecided votes for you and opposition gets demotivated, divided and discouraged. Here in Delhi you did everything to unite opposition and divide supporters, what result you expected? Kejri would have lost very badly if they actually fought on real issues which connect with people.

I dont think Kejriwal did nothing

It is not possible to get so many votes again without doing any real solid work

Maybe " Manyawar " was aware that Kejriwal is popular , so he brought CAA

So CAA gave 6 percent more votes to BJP
But Congress votes went to AAP
 
Caste system is in a decline except maybe in some small pockets here and there. Most hindus understand it was a british ploy to subvert hinduism .however decline in caste system doesnt necessarly implies decline in dhimmi hindus. These are tge real enemies of bjp and is not easy to win over them
Caste system is less prominent only in urban areas. In rural areas it will be prominent for hundreds of years more.Also, until people from different castes treat each other with respect, and until, people from upper castes do not overtly look down upon those from lower castes it's fine..
 
BJP should go ahead with UCC in the next session, although there would not be any electoral gains, it will be good for the country. Also, with BJP appearing to lose seats in Rajya sabha, if it's current form continues. It is better to go ahead with UCC this year.

See the opposite is also true

Hindus dont give a Damn about UCC
But if there are more Disorders and unrest
And Bandhs
It will create another impression that
BJP IS BAD for Business

Then Hindus will be really Angry with BJP
 
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Caste system is less prominent only in urban areas. In rural areas it will be prominent for hundreds of years more.Also, until people from different castes treat each other with respect, and until, people from upper castes do not overtly look down upon those from lower castes it's fine..

It was prominent in british times for a couple of hundreds of years. Today it exists only in some remote uneducated placesof bihar etc. Anywas as i said in delhi elections it wasnt casteism which costed bjp.it was dhimmism.
 
I dont think Kejriwal did nothing

It is not possible to get so many votes again without doing any real solid work

Maybe " Manyawar " was aware that Kejriwal is popular , so he brought CAA

So CAA gave 6 percent more votes to BJP
But Congress votes went to AAP
Yeah he was so popular that he has to recite Hanuman Chalisa and even after voting and exit polls was preparing ground to blame EVM. His popularity is very well explained in last two elections where he struggled for 3rd place.

It's so naive to think this was a 3 player race, more like giving yourself some consolation or an excuse. What do you have to do with congress? Congress didn't even bothered to contest, one of their star candidate and former AAP MLA Halka Lamba didn't even get 4,000 votes in muslim majority seat, that is how much congress was irrelevant. Ever single voter who votes for congress or AAP knows they are voting for candidate that can defeat Modi.

It was not a contest of who was best, instead who is least worst and thank to last minute race to bottom BJP outran AAP by big margin. Every election Kejri projected his face, his media friends (NDTV and cousins) did the rest to create it presidential form type election but not this time. He knew he will damage his chances if he promote himself too much so he stayed back, that's how much he was popular.
 
More than anything else, this election certainly confirms what I've suspected since the past two years. This is definitely a pattern & replication of what used to happen in the IG era. Ppl will vote for Central elections in a different manner as compared to local elections. Just like the central elections, leadership, issues & quality of opposition matter in local elections. That's the reason Modi won in 2019 , that's the reason Khujaliwal won in 2020.All other factors are of incremental value. In itself they won't add to much but if you add a few of these additional factors they add upto something not too substantial but not insubstantial as well. Let's call it factor x.
 
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