Dedicated Bomber for IAF : Arguments

[Hydra]

Special Forces.



Lol.

The last time they fought a real war.

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

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No way.

Thats the last war they fought with out any proper preparation. I will keep 91 iraq above communist Vietnam of 70s on parity with USA.

 

[Lolwa]

No way.

Thats the last war they fought with out any proper preparation. I will keep 91 iraq above communist Vietnam of 70s on parity with USA.

You have eaten up too much western propaganda. Heck majority of aircraft loss even in Iraq was due to AD. The west never talks about it. Plenty of f-15's and f-16's have been lost to AD.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

I think survival of aircraft in enemy territory is moot. If bought for SFC , the armaments will likely be some Air Launched Ballistic Missile or Long Range Land Attack Cruise Missile, etc.

The aim will be like to keep a deterrent in air flying whenever intelligence suggest that some conflict might happen. The Tu160 can fly for very long times.

Kind of 2nd strike capability from air, in case bases holding SFC fighters are hit first.

 

[randomradio]

No way.

Thats the last war they fought with out any proper preparation. I will keep 91 iraq above communist Vietnam of 70s on parity with USA.

Ukraine's confirmed it was special forces.

The US hasn't fought a real war since Vietnam. So WW2, Korea and then Vietnam, that's it. All other enemies they have fought were those without effective air forces or without any at all.

Ukraine is a near-peer threat to Russia with access to unlimited international funding, military aid and unkillable ISR.

 

[indicisivedivide]

Ukraine's confirmed it was special forces.

The US hasn't fought a real war since Vietnam. So WW2, Korea and then Vietnam, that's it. All other enemies they have fought were those without effective air forces or without any at all.

Ukraine is a near-peer threat to Russia with access to unlimited international funding, military aid and unkillable ISR.

Nonsense Ukraine is not near pear opponent. NATO has not even begun to fight yet and Russia is already bleeding.

 

[randomradio]

I think survival of aircraft in enemy territory is moot. If bought for SFC , the armaments will likely be some Air Launched Ballistic Missile or Long Range Land Attack Cruise Missile, etc.

The aim will be like to keep a deterrent in air flying whenever intelligence suggest that some conflict might happen. The Tu160 can fly for very long times.

Kind of 2nd strike capability from air, in case bases holding SFC fighters are hit first.

I doubt this is for the SFC's use. Nuclear role would be a secondary role at best 'cause it requires far more assets and resources to work.

And it's unlikely for the IAF to pour money into the SFC like that while they are unable to meet their primary directive with the assets they have. Hell, the SFC will be lucky to get a handful of Rafales for nuclear strike anytime this decade.

Nonsense Ukraine is not near pear opponent. NATO has not even begun to fight yet and Russia is already bleeding.

See for yourself after the war is over.

 

[indicisivedivide]

I doubt this is for the SFC's use. Nuclear role would be a secondary role at best 'cause it requires far more assets and resources to work.

And it's unlikely for the IAF to pour money into the SFC like that while they are unable to meet their primary directive with the assets they have. Hell, the SFC will be lucky to get a handful of Rafales for nuclear strike anytime this decade.


See for yourself after the war is over.

Of course Russia will probably win the war. But NATO has not sent them their primary and powerful weapons which is their Air Force and their Navy.

 

[Innominate]

Ukraine's confirmed it was special forces.

The US hasn't fought a real war since Vietnam. So WW2, Korea and then Vietnam, that's it. All other enemies they have fought were those without effective air forces or without any at all.

Ukraine is a near-peer threat to Russia with access to unlimited international funding, military aid and unkillable ISR.

Lol. Wha's a real war? Vietnam war was not a war of equipment vs equipment this was a guerilla war and the only time US went up against NV hardware was when US launched air strikes against the NV. Vietnam war woke up the US military which was still a WW2/Korean war mindset of waging war. US was not built at the time to fight that kind of war.

The war Russia launched is the war they have been training for decades. They are fighting a nation that uses old outdated soviet era equipment of which the Russian army should know like their back of their hands. There should be no excuse why Ukraine air force is still flying. No excuse why Russian air force can't fly over Ukraine due to Soviet era IADS.

This is Russia's first "real war" since WW2 where they have to take on real mechanize brigades and enemy air space protected by IADS... they have completely failed.

Desert Storm was the first "real war" the US fought since Korean war where they took on real battle hardened mechanize divisions and the second most dense IADS at that time and it wasn't even close. US totally dominated. US had to go half way around the world to expelled the 4th largest army that was dug in like an Alabama tick while Russia's war is just over their border.

Russian military is and has been a paper tiger all along and relied on parades and combat exercises to make themselves look dangerous and competent. Ukraine war has exposed them for who they really are.

 

[randomradio]

Of course Russia will probably win the war. But NATO has not sent them their primary and powerful weapons which is their Air Force and their Navy.

Works both ways. It's mostly a ground war, and Russia are not even using 20% of their actual capabilities. Most of the fighting is being done by militias and PMC.

Lol. Wha's a real war? Vietnam war was not a war of equipment vs equipment this was a guerilla war and the only time US went up against NV hardware was when US launched air strikes against the NV. Vietnam war woke up the US military which was still a WW2/Korean war mindset of waging war. US was not built at the time to fight that kind of war.

The war Russia launched is the war they have been training for decades. They are fighting a nation that uses old outdated soviet era equipment of which the Russian army should know like their back of their hands. There should be no excuse why Ukraine air force is still flying. No excuse why Russian air force can't fly over Ukraine due to Soviet era IADS.

This is Russia's first "real war" since WW2 where they have to take on real mechanize brigades and enemy air space protected by IADS... they have completely failed.

Desert Storm was the first "real war" the US fought since Korean war where they took on real battle hardened mechanize divisions and the second most dense IADS at that time and it wasn't even close. US totally dominated. US had to go half way around the world to expelled the 4th largest army that was dug in like an Alabama tick while Russia's war is just over their border.

Russian military is and has been a paper tiger all along and relied on parades and combat exercises to make themselves look dangerous and competent. Ukraine war has exposed them for who they really are.

 

[jetray]

Russian military is and has been a paper tiger all along and relied on parades and combat exercises to make themselves look dangerous and competent. Ukraine war has exposed them for who they really are.

proxy pussy cat dares paper tiger

 

[_Anonymous_]

Lol. Wha's a real war? Vietnam war was not a war of equipment vs equipment this was a guerilla war and the only time US went up against NV hardware was when US launched air strikes against the NV. Vietnam war woke up the US military which was still a WW2/Korean war mindset of waging war. US was not built at the time to fight that kind of war.

Really sweetie , this is what wiki has to report on your losses. Take my advise you're better off Calling it a real war instead of a guerrilla war coz you come out of it much better otherwise it's a case of a rag tag bunch of underaged urchins beating the shit out of repeatedly begining with the Chinese in Korea , Viets in Vietnam & now the Afghans in Afghanistan.

United States Air ForceEdit​

All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft: 1,737 to hostile action, and 514 in accidents. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing. The USAF sustained approximately 0.4 losses per 1,000 sorties during the conflict, which compared favorably with a 2.0 rate in Korea and a 9.7 figure during World War II.[9][10]: 268 

Democratic Republic of Vietnam AircraftEdit​

MiG-21 No.4326, which shot down 13 aircraft during the war
Claimed by VPAF: 154 MiG aircraft lost through all causes, including 131 in air combat (includes 63 MiG-17s, 8 MiG-19s and 60 MiG-21s)[22][23]

Russian source: 65 MiG-21s, 5 MiG-19s, 75 MiG-17s lost through all causes.[24] 2 Mi-4, 5 An-2, 5 Il-14, 1 MiG-15UTI, 1 Il-28, 1 L-29, 1 Lisunov Li-2 lost through all causes[25] Total: 159 aircraft and 2 helicopter lost.

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

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The war Russia launched is the war they have been training for decades.

The SU collapsed in 1990 . Since then they've been picking up the pieces.

They are fighting a nation that uses old outdated soviet era equipment of which the Russian army should know like their back of their hands. There should be no excuse why Ukraine air force is still flying. No excuse why Russian air force can't fly over Ukraine due to Soviet era IADS.

There's still no logical reason why Russia hasn't brought it's full strength of the Russian Army to bear on Ukraine & is still conducting the entire operation with barely 1,00,000 troops. Let us know when you've figured this one out.

This is Russia's first "real war" since WW2 where they have to take on real mechanize brigades and enemy air space protected by IADS... they have completely failed.

Yes. As of now 20% of Russia is in Ukraine's hands & the war is destroying all of Russian infrastructure.

Desert Storm was the first "real war" the US fought since Korean war where they took on real battle hardened mechanize divisions and the second most dense IADS at that time and it wasn't even close. US totally dominated. US had to go half way around the world to expelled the 4th largest army that was dug in like an Alabama tick while Russia's war is just over their border.

Sure . The Vietnam war was a walk in the park . And Desert Storm with a coalition of 30+ countries & bases all surrounding I raq with 6 months to prepare for what ? Like it was Normandy & Omaha once again.

Russian military is and has been a paper tiger all along and relied on parades and combat exercises to make themselves look dangerous and competent. Ukraine war has exposed them for who they really are.

Allow me to let you on to a secret . Do let us know how many countries in the world can afford to deploy a 1000 fighter aircraft & all the supporting infrastructure & paraphernalia associated with it including ISR , refuellers , transporters , satellites , UAVs , etc churning out 4-5 sorties / aircraft / day with loads & loads of missiles of all hues , PGMs etc not for a few days but a few months without slacking in on intensity in any way & post your answer here .

 

[Lolwa]

Nonsense Ukraine is not near pear opponent. NATO has not even begun to fight yet and Russia is already bleeding.

They have a huge inventory of tanks, artillery and ballistic missiles and they produce all of it. This is not Taiwan we are talking about. The Ukrainians have the biggest MIC in eastern Europe excluding the Russians. Their MIC is only smaller and less advanced than the big 4 in western Europe. Even Sweden doesn't have as big an MIC even if it's more advanced. Add this and then the western aid with weapons, training and ISR and the Russians not using their entire capabilities is what we are seeing.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

They have a huge inventory of tanks, artillery and ballistic missiles and they produce all of it. This is not Taiwan we are talking about. The Ukrainians have the biggest MIC in eastern Europe excluding the Russians. Their MIC is only smaller and less advanced than the big 4 in western Europe. Even Sweden doesn't have as big an MIC even if it's more advanced. Add this and then the western aid with weapons, training and ISR and the Russians not using their entire capabilities is what we are seeing.

For India the best thing is they both fight it out and weaken Russia enough so that Europeans alone can deter then without US help.

That way US will deploy more assets in Indo-Pacific

Russians should win (by win I mean get Donbass, in south upto Transintiria through Odessa and kharkhiv in North) , but in doing so weaken themselves so much that they cannot fight another war for another 2 decades.