Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion

DA did a blunder by not sharing the source codes to let us integrate our own weapons on Rafale.

My guess is DRDO prevented the integration of SPICE and Rampage in favor of their own, while simultaneously taking their own sweet time in developing them as usual.

Integration of weapons on Rafale isn't easy, very expensive due to the need to clue in the all-aspect RCS of the weapon connected to the aircraft in all flight profiles with SPECTRA in multiple configurations. The French do it at their facility, or there's a need to buy a lot more jets so we can set up such a facility ourselves.

If we want to integrate our own weapons traditionally, like we do on LCA, MKI etc, then it's likely that we will have to give up on some of Rafale's best qualities in order to use those weapons, and the IAF might not want that either.

So a large enough order or let the French do it, like they did for a bunch of other hardware we wanted via ISE. But in this case, DRDO may not have supplied their glide bombs and missiles yet, all in development.
 
DA did a blunder by not sharing the source codes to let us integrate our own weapons on Rafale. But this s**t about 3 Rafale being downed has found traction due to what is known as "First to Lie". Same thing happened in 2019 post balakote air combat. Pakistan tweeted that they have shot down one Mig-21 and 2 Su-30MKI and our own media splashed it all across the world that IAF has lost 3 ac. Once again PAF started the rumour that they have shot down 5 IAF jets of which 3 were Rafale. Once again some of our Media people made false and misleading tweets which gave credence to the first to lie narrative of Pakistan. What PAF shot down were decoys sent inside Pakistan and you all must have seen the pics of the Banshi drones debries in Pakistan. No one can help a nation when the doors of the fort are opened from inside.


This is a diversion tactic by Pakistan to avoid FATF, the whole India's narrative of Pakistan being a terror state has been shifted to Rafales and air force when Indians should be talking about missiles which took out those terrorists who have killed thousands in the name of religion, every one has started talking about Rafales, China has paid millions to media houses all over the world to make it airforce vs airforce sh*t.

Why should one be so worried if a rafale has be shot down or not, IAF knows the truth that only matters. Motive was to hit those terrorists and their support, and India has hit the capital of Pakistan

1. What more shameful it could be for Pakistanis that they coudln't even protect their capital.

2. Pakistani launched a missile towards Delhi ( which could have been N tipped), Indian air defence intercepted it. Pakistan failed

3. India launched multiple missiles towards Islamabad, and they hit it. If they were N tipped, Pakistan would have been gone by now.


I am ready to lose 20 Rafales if in return India is safe and enemy is down.
 
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L’Indonésie va commander de nouveaux Rafale et canons Caesar à la France
Indonesia to order new Rafales and Caesar guns from France
On Wednesday 28 May, Sébastien Lecornu announced that Indonesia had signed a letter of intent to acquire new Rafales and Caesar guns, as well as additional light frigates and Scorpène submarines.

A new stage in the strategic relationship between Jakarta and Paris. On Wednesday 28 May, Indonesia confirmed ‘its confidence in the excellence of the French defence industry’ by signing a letter of intent for the future acquisition of new French military equipment, announced Sébastien Lecornu. Indonesia is expected to order a new fleet of Rafales, light frigates and Scorpene submarines in the near future, as well as new Caesar guns.

"We would like to thank our Indonesian partner for this vote of confidence. It demonstrates both the excellence of French equipment and our desire to forge lasting partnerships that benefit the local defence industry", said the French Minister of Defence.

Stronger ties since 2022

Indonesia placed its first order for 42 Rafales in February 2022, strengthening Franco-Indonesian ties. Jakarta was attracted not only by the industrial and operational ecosystem offered by Dassault Aviation with its multi-role fighter aircraft, but also by the technological sovereignty offered by the Rafale, guaranteeing Indonesia strategic independence.

By adding light frigates, Scorpene submarines and CAESAR guns to its fleet, the country would then have a powerful air, naval and land capability with an international reputation. Enough to carry weight in the Indo-Pacific arc.
 
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The French Are Anxious to Know the Fate of Rafales in Operation Sindoor Combat​


New Delhi: For the first time, France’s armed forces ministry has said it is in contact with the Indian government to “better understand” the circumstances surrounding French-origin aircraft during the recent hostilities between India and Pakistan.

At a press conference in Paris on Tuesday, a spokesperson for the French defence ministry said the situation remained unclear and that Paris was attempting to make sense of conflicting accounts.

“Regarding the conflict taking place between India and Pakistan, what I mainly observe is that we are in the fog of war and that there is an intense information war. In other words, what we know most of all today is that we don’t know what happened. So indeed, there are a number of allegations that I will not repeat, since there is no confirmed information,” the spokesperson said.

France is understood to be particularly concerned about reports suggesting that Rafale aircrafts, supplied by Dassault Aviation and widely considered the backbone of India’s combat air fleet, may have been lost in action during Operation Sindoor.

“The issue of the Rafale is, of course, of primary importance to us. We are naturally keen to understand what happened, and so we are trying to stay as close as possible to our Indian partner to better understand the situation,” the spokesperson added.

“Obviously, the most significant feedback will come from this use in high-intensity combat, which apparently, according to some reports, involved several hundred aircraft. So, of course, we are following these events as closely as possible,” the spokesperson said.

Noting that the Rafale had seen two decades of active service across various theatres of war, the official said any confirmation of a combat loss would mark a first in the aircraft’s operational history. “What we can especially note today is that the Rafale has seen 20 years of operational use – 20 years of combat deployment – and that if it turns out there was indeed a loss, it would be the first combat loss of this warplane.”

The Indian government has not commented on international media reports suggesting that an Indian aircraft may have been shot down or crashed during the strikes carried out on the night of May 6-7, when Indian forces targeted nine suspected terror bases in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Official statements have only acknowledged that losses are an inevitable part of warfare.

At a media briefing on May 8, foreign secretary Vikram Misri said that official information will be shared when the time is right.

On May 11, a day after fighting ended between India and Pakistan, Director General of Air Operations Air Marshal A.K. Bharti responded to a question about possible losses by stating, “We are in a combat scenario and losses are a part of it. The question is, have we achieved our objective? The answer is a thumping yes. As for details, at this time I would not like to comment on that as we are still in combat and (do not want to) give advantage to (the) adversary. All our pilots are back home”.

Why not just tell the French how many Rafales were lost whether it be 1-3? It's starting to sound like the French are really worried more than one Rafale got shot down. French are your bestest friends why keep them in the dark? :unsure:
 
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Why not just tell the French how many Rafales were lost whether it be 1-3? It's starting to sound like the French are really worried more than one Rafale got shot down. French are your bestest friends why keep them in the dark? :unsure:

It's just a bunch of journalists talking, we're not anxious at all and we're not the only ones to have asked for feedback on the operation: the Indonesians have asked for it too, and the newspapers headlined that Indonesia was going to reconsider buying the 42 Rafales it ordered from us.

The result must not have been so bad, because Indonesia is asking us for another batch of Rafales!
 
It's just a bunch of journalists talking, we're not anxious at all and we're not the only ones to have asked for feedback on the operation: the Indonesians have asked for it too, and the newspapers headlined that Indonesia was going to reconsider buying the 42 Rafales it ordered from us.

The result must not have been so bad, because Indonesia is asking us for another batch of Rafales!
I had shared the statement of our Leader of Opposition Mr. Kharge. He had categorically told on camera that in the all party meeting briefing on Op Sindoor, Government of India had stated that no aircraft of anykind was lost in the strikes. I still do not know why people are believing the propaganda of Chinese, Americans and various arms lobbies which want to hurt French Arms Industry.
 
I had shared the statement of our Leader of Opposition Mr. Kharge. He had categorically told on camera that in the all party meeting briefing on Op Sindoor, Government of India had stated that no aircraft of anykind was lost in the strikes. I still do not know why people are believing the propaganda of Chinese, Americans and various arms lobbies which want to hurt French Arms Industry.

The article is from The Wire, which is a very well-known anti-India tabloid.
 
Noting that the Rafale had seen two decades of active service across various theatres of war, the official said any confirmation of a combat loss would mark a first in the aircraft’s operational history. “What we can especially note today is that the Rafale has seen 20 years of operational use – 20 years of combat deployment – and that if it turns out there was indeed a loss, it would be the first combat loss of this warplane.”
A nice way to phrase, "This is the first time a Rafale had a missile fired against it, It doesn't look good,"
 
Lipstick on a pig is what F5 really is. I hope IAF and fanboys don't fall for Dassaults snake oil salesmen spiel it already cost them one Rafale possibly 3. They fell for it once with the whole spectra "active stealth" don't fall for it again with F5 magic voodoo capabilities.

To quote the great philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche... Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Wise words indeed. :unsure:
Nietzsche my *ss
Navy F-35Cs and CVNs forced to retreat in the face of Houthi "sandal-wearing" fighters
As the great philosopher Nietzsche said: Smells like napalm, sorry: a defeat to me
full NYT article

We don't know if or how many Rafale fell, but at least they accomplished the job without prior SEAD/DEAD air missions, and in one of the densest SAM defense environments on the planet.
 
Nietzsche my *ss
Navy F-35Cs and CVNs forced to retreat in the face of Houthi "sandal-wearing" fighters
As the great philosopher Nietzsche said: Smells like napalm, sorry: a defeat to me
full NYT article

We don't know if or how many Rafale fell, but at least they accomplished the job without prior SEAD/DEAD air missions, and in one of the densest SAM defense environments on the planet.
Lol. Force to retreat? Last time I checked Houthis agreed no more firing at commercial shipping due to F-18 and F-35 air strikes.

And this whole F-35 was forced to maneuver because of missile is ambiguous. Did it get tracked? Was the missile for the F-35 or did the pilot see a missile heading up and moved? I get you frenchies are miserable that your super fighter was shot down by a PAF export J-10 but this whole F-35 had to maneuver because of missile = F-35 no good is at best grasping at straws and at worst just plain coping.

Rafale is 4th gen and it got shot down because of that.
 
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The French Are Anxious to Know the Fate of Rafales in Operation Sindoor Combat​


New Delhi: For the first time, France’s armed forces ministry has said it is in contact with the Indian government to “better understand” the circumstances surrounding French-origin aircraft during the recent hostilities between India and Pakistan.

At a press conference in Paris on Tuesday, a spokesperson for the French defence ministry said the situation remained unclear and that Paris was attempting to make sense of conflicting accounts.

“Regarding the conflict taking place between India and Pakistan, what I mainly observe is that we are in the fog of war and that there is an intense information war. In other words, what we know most of all today is that we don’t know what happened. So indeed, there are a number of allegations that I will not repeat, since there is no confirmed information,” the spokesperson said.

France is understood to be particularly concerned about reports suggesting that Rafale aircrafts, supplied by Dassault Aviation and widely considered the backbone of India’s combat air fleet, may have been lost in action during Operation Sindoor.

“The issue of the Rafale is, of course, of primary importance to us. We are naturally keen to understand what happened, and so we are trying to stay as close as possible to our Indian partner to better understand the situation,” the spokesperson added.

“Obviously, the most significant feedback will come from this use in high-intensity combat, which apparently, according to some reports, involved several hundred aircraft. So, of course, we are following these events as closely as possible,” the spokesperson said.

Noting that the Rafale had seen two decades of active service across various theatres of war, the official said any confirmation of a combat loss would mark a first in the aircraft’s operational history. “What we can especially note today is that the Rafale has seen 20 years of operational use – 20 years of combat deployment – and that if it turns out there was indeed a loss, it would be the first combat loss of this warplane.”

The Indian government has not commented on international media reports suggesting that an Indian aircraft may have been shot down or crashed during the strikes carried out on the night of May 6-7, when Indian forces targeted nine suspected terror bases in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Official statements have only acknowledged that losses are an inevitable part of warfare.

At a media briefing on May 8, foreign secretary Vikram Misri said that official information will be shared when the time is right.

On May 11, a day after fighting ended between India and Pakistan, Director General of Air Operations Air Marshal A.K. Bharti responded to a question about possible losses by stating, “We are in a combat scenario and losses are a part of it. The question is, have we achieved our objective? The answer is a thumping yes. As for details, at this time I would not like to comment on that as we are still in combat and (do not want to) give advantage to (the) adversary. All our pilots are back home”.

Why not just tell the French how many Rafales were lost whether it be 1-3? It's starting to sound like the French are really worried more than one Rafale got shot down. French are your bestest friends why keep them in the dark? :unsure:
The operation isn't over yet. No losses will be reported until the operation isn't over. This could go as long as 2 years so we may never know if the rafale was lost or not.
It's just a bunch of journalists talking, we're not anxious at all and we're not the only ones to have asked for feedback on the operation: the Indonesians have asked for it too, and the newspapers headlined that Indonesia was going to reconsider buying the 42 Rafales it ordered from us.

The result must not have been so bad, because Indonesia is asking us for another batch of Rafales!
It's american, chinese and pakistani and leftist/liberal propaganda all pushing it in unison and amplifying each other fake news while accusing us of information warfare. Nothing of value is happening right now. The plane losses will be shared in the future. That's for sure.
 
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Airbus are also talking about the FCAS tech going to the Eurofighter. To make a Super Eurofighter. I think they have as much belief of the FCAS coming to reality, as the French do
The european eurofighter customers already have purchased F35. No need of more birds for years, so this market is nearly closed.
Unless you change deeply the frame to make a super EF2000, a costly evolution, it will always have short legs and average weapons load.
Super eurofighter is for me a dead project.

FCAS : the reborn of a russian threat + the withdrawal of USA in Europe may have changed how this project is seen in Berlin and Paris (and Madrid).
A nice way to phrase, "This is the first time a Rafale had a missile fired against it, It doesn't look good,"
no. In Lybia it faced SAM attack already.