Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

Guynextdoor said:
The right leadership can make even the unlikeliest of plans work well.
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But that’s just it - he hasn’t got a plan. He is so self centred he doesn’t care.
Michael Hesaltine described him perfectly yesterday as the kind of person that waits to see which way the crowd is running - jumps in front and says follow me - I’m the man.
 
Superkaif said:
But that’s just it - he hasn’t got a plan. He is so self centred he doesn’t care.
Michael Hesaltine described him perfectly yesterday as the kind of person that waits to see which way the crowd is running - jumps in front and says follow me - I’m the man.
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you wait and watch. He will prove himself the right shepard for Brexit. Between him and Nigel, they will take a very strident stand with EU, show no compromise and get the best deal for UK- even if it is no deal. Nothing like protecting the pride of the people first. That is the spirit that will raise UK to the top over time.
 
BMD said:
Well we're now going down the route of not only no deal but zero trade. The EU is to invalid UK driving licenses within the EU, which means the UK will have no choice but to reciprocate that, so no lorry drivers will be able to deliver goods either side of the channel. This is now becoming ridiculous stupid. I can actually see all immigrants being forced to return home at the end of this as a result of EU stupidity. They know that no deal will not benefit them so they're trying to think of ways to get even through NTBs, which of course we will reciprocate. Idealism over pragmatism, the story of the EU.
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It's not a problem : see with USA : you (and I) will have to ask an international driving licence. That"s all.
 
Bon Plan said:
It's not a problem : see with USA : you (and I) will have to ask an international driving licence. That"s all.
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ok. That might mean EU drivers will drive into UK be using International licenses. But if current trend continues UK drivers will refuse to drive any goods into EU. So the trade will end up becoming one way and EU will lose access to high quality UK products.
 
Superkaif said:
I asked a question - instead you post your standard vomit - either attempt a constructive response or go goth and multiply
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It was clearly a rhetorical question since nobody has seen his plan. However, I summarised an overview by saying an FTA/Chequer's Plan is as bad as bad can get.
 
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Bon Plan said:
It's not a problem : see with USA : you (and I) will have to ask an international driving licence. That"s all.
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But what is the point? These drivers have been driving back and forth for 25 years.
 
BMD said:
It was clearly a rhetorical question since nobody has seen his plan. However, I summarised an overview by saying an FTA/Chequer's Plan is as bad as bad can get. .
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I simply suggested that BJ and the rest of the Brexiteers are quick to point out the Chequers plan is crap yet have sweet FA of a plan for themselves to submit. You are a member of this group. Plenty of noise , no plan, but shout down everything because leave is leave even if we are fukt - leave is leave - even if it makes us poorer - leave is leave - even if it takes us 50 years to recover leave is leave. go and educate yourself.
 
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Superkaif said:
Bit rich coming from a retard like you.
I simply suggested that BJ and the rest of the Brexiteers are quick to point out the Chequers plan is crap yet have sweet FA of a plan for themselves to submit. You are a member of this group. Plenty of noise , no plan, but shout down everything because leave is leave even if we are fukt - leave is leave - even if it makes us poorer - leave is leave - even if it takes us 50 years to recover leave is leave. You thick twat - go and educate yourself.
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The Chequers plan is crap, the negotiating was crap from day 1. The plans for a no deal were also crap. We should have prepared for a no deal from the outset and offered the EU full free trade of goods and services or no deal from day 1. Remainers screwed up the negotiations by stalling them, forcing weak negotiating positions and causing division from the outset.

I'd rather be free from tyranny than rich but I don't think that is the choice here. We're still going to end up with a no deal even after letting Remainers dictate the negotiating from day 1, the only difference is the level of preparation. Remainers thought the EU would be reasonable, the Leavers knew they wouldn't. The Remainers were wrong. The Leavers position was always full free trading access or no deal. The Remainers came up with this shitty Chequers plan and it's still been rejected. Why? Because the EU is an unaccountable, totalitarian entity not a democracy you dumb shits.
 
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BMD said:
The Chequers plan is crap, the negotiating was crap from day 1. The plans for a no deal were also crap. We should have prepared for a no deal from the outset and offered the EU full free trade of goods and services or no deal from day 1. Remainers screwed up the negotiations by stalling them, forcing weak negotiating positions and causing division from the outset.

I'd rather be free from tyranny than rich but I don't think that is the choice here. We're still going to end up with a no deal even after letting Remainers dictate the negotiating from day 1, the only difference is the level of preparation. Remainers thought the EU would be reasonable, the Leavers knew they wouldn't. The Remainers were wrong. The Leavers position was always full free trading access or no deal. The Remainers came up with this shitty Chequers plan and it's still been rejected. Why? Because the EU is an unaccountable, totalitarian entity not a democracy you dumb shits.
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Look - the Brexiteers were put in charge of leaving - Rightly Davis and Johnson were the main culprits - yet still the Remainers are being blamed.
The decision to leave was made thats fine and dandy me - however the stalling, the bullsh1t and time wasting has created this narrative we have today. A climate of uncertainty and at a weak position.
As far as the hard line Brexiteers go -It's the thrill of the idea of anarchy to a teenager with no life experience - the fantasy that you might get the freedom to do whatever you want with absolutely no comeback or responsibility. It's basically infanalism and unfettered, unfocused emotion versus the boring adult world of responsibility and serious engagement with reality.
Have a good day - im out now in meetings
 
BMD said:
The Chequers plan is crap, the negotiating was crap from day 1. The plans for a no deal were also crap. We should have prepared for a no deal from the outset and offered the EU full free trade of goods and services or no deal from day 1. Remainers screwed up the negotiations by stalling them, forcing weak negotiating positions and causing division from the outset.

I'd rather be free from tyranny than rich but I don't think that is the choice here. We're still going to end up with a no deal even after letting Remainers dictate the negotiating from day 1, the only difference is the level of preparation. Remainers thought the EU would be reasonable, the Leavers knew they wouldn't. The Remainers were wrong. The Leavers position was always full free trading access or no deal. The Remainers came up with this shitty Chequers plan and it's still been rejected. Why? Because the EU is an unaccountable, totalitarian entity not a democracy you dumb shits.
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some might say the choice is clear. You will be free from tyranny. You will no longer be rich,
 
Superkaif said:
Look - the Brexiteers were put in charge of leaving - Rightly Davis and Johnson were the main culprits - yet still the Remainers are being blamed.
The decision to leave was made thats fine and dandy me - however the stalling, the bullsh1t and time wasting has created this narrative we have today. A climate of uncertainty and at a weak position.
As far as the hard line Brexiteers go -It's the thrill of the idea of anarchy to a teenager with no life experience - the fantasy that you might get the freedom to do whatever you want with absolutely no comeback or responsibility. It's basically infanalism and unfettered, unfocused emotion versus the boring adult world of responsibility and serious engagement with reality.
Have a good day - im out now in meetings
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Oh don't pull that one. The Remainers stuck their oar in at every opportunity to try and thwart it and weaken the negotiating position. The negotiating position we needed to take was blocked by Remainers.

Infanalism is not a word and brings up some strange search results. The decision to leave was based on the desire to control policy within our own country, a confusion about why Britain pays more than 26 of the other 27 members while having to tighten purse strings at home, and a frustration about not being able to make our own trade deals, and a fear that we were being subsumed into a federal state, where we would have very little say.

Remain was just a vote the status quo. To accept inadequacy rather than attempting to look for something better.
 
Bon Plan said:
??? (n)(n)(n)
it's a low blow
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How exactly? Think of it from a non-western perspective.

An imperialist power having colonies outside Europe fighting some other Imperialistic powers who were trying to expand into surrounding European territories including that if the former. There is no moral high ground here.

we find British efforts to portray themselves as white saviors- who fought the evil Nazis to save the world- ridiculous. And that's when specimens like the one above still justify every single colonial atrocity.
 
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Amal said:
How exactly? Think of it from a non-western perspective.

An imperialist power having colonies outside Europe fighting some other Imperialistic powers who were trying to expand into surrounding European territories including that if the former. There is no moral high ground here.

we find British efforts to portray themselves as white saviors- who fought the evil Nazis to save the world- ridiculous. And that's when specimens like the one above still justify every single colonial atrocity.
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Empires started long before the first Western Empires. India had several imperial empires before Britain had one. So, YOU have no moral high ground.

There is a moral low-ground if you round non-white ethnicities up and gas them.

If the Nazis had won and gassed your ancestors and sent them up a stack, perhaps you'd see it differently. British people would have survived if the Nazis had won, Indian people would not, or would be bred purely for slavery until this day.
 
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