Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

Britain was nothing to do with the formation of the EEC or the ECSC. It was established to stop tards like France and Germany fighting each other in 1951. It was on the go 22 years before Britain joined.


Madam, we in the third world country don't give a flying shit to propriety in how the EEC or its bloody predessor was bloody established.

Colonialism had nothing to do with it either since both Portugal and French maintained colonies in India and other places for a considerable time after the formation of the ECSC.

The WW- 2 severely debilitated the colonial powers. Britain being the nation of shop keepers realised it and scrammed w/o major losses. The French being what they are discovered the reality the hard and wrong way. Either way, since the colonial powers were themselves dependent on aid ( Marshall Plan) with little means to exploit their colonies , freedom then was a matter of time. So was seeing a common market now that their individual lucrative markets were gone or about to go. That was the story behind ECSC.

Britain being a choosy woman and eventually and eternally a spinster but always a nun did commit, half marry but never consummated the union. The result was a foregone conclusion.


The main worry was that European bickering and warring would open up Europe to a Soviet invasion. Or rather the rest of Europe, since half of it was gone already.

Madam, you're confusing NATO for the EEC / EU. Are you Irish, by any chance? Don't bother to answer. That was a rhetorical question.
 
Erm no, you need to research the ECSC, it had nothing to do with colonies. It was more about preventing American dominance in Europe and stopping Germany and France from killing each other.

NATO was to fight an attack, the EEC was to prevent Western Europe warring with itself.
 
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Madam,

F. Y. K. A
 
That's what you get when you have an idiot Prime Minister still trying to get a deal instead of setting out a solid plan for no deal.
 
Honda's departure isn't directly tied to Brexit, as it's more because they don't manage to sell their cars in Europe, so they're closing their car factories in Britain, but also in Turkey. They've decided to instead focus on the American and Chinese markets where they are more successful.
 
That's what you get when you have an idiot Prime Minister still trying to get a deal instead of setting out a solid plan for no deal.
Madam, not everyone is acquainted with your brilliance. You ought to consider running for public office. The only limitation, the way I see it, is, is there a ban or Cat licks holding the office of the PM. If there isn't one, you're a dead ringer for the post.
 
Madam, not everyone is acquainted with your brilliance. You ought to consider running for public office. The only limitation, the way I see it, is, is there a ban or Cat licks holding the office of the PM. If there isn't one, you're a dead ringer for the post.
You don't have to be brilliant to at least attempt something.
 
You don't have to be brilliant to at least attempt something.
Original thinkers always face heavy resistance viz Galileo, Martin Luther, Michelangelo, etc

It's persistence which distinguishes the girls from the women.

I'm sure if you'd try hard enough, there's a huge constituency out there will to support you. All you need to do is make your voice heard and voila! We may yet be surprised.
 
So you think the EU is going to change the deal if she persists? Fine, we'll have a bet. If they don't, you are banned. How does that sound?
My dear old dowager, I was referring to your fledgling political career. ( damn, that rhymed)

If inspite of being crystal clear in my references, you misinterpret and misunderstand my post, what can I say? Then you run upstairs every time we bring up your heritage.
 
My dear old dowager, I was referring to your fledgling political career. ( damn, that rhymed)

If inspite of being crystal clear in my references, you misinterpret and misunderstand my post, what can I say? Then you run upstairs every time we bring up your heritage.
I think if I ran upstairs every time they'd get at least 10 reports per day.

And I don't see that I need a political career to state that she needs to prepare for a no deal properly with tariffs and NTBs.
 
Honda's departure isn't directly tied to Brexit, as it's more because they don't manage to sell their cars in Europe, so they're closing their car factories in Britain, but also in Turkey. They've decided to instead focus on the American and Chinese markets where they are more successful.
This is what I'm saying. There's a lot being blamed on Brexit which isn't to do with Brexit. Flybmi was just a badly managed business used Brexit as a scapegoat.
 
Britain in the Crazed Brexit Vortex
The land of milk and honey promised by the Vote Leave campaign in 2016 has turned into a nightmare.



By Roger Cohen Opinion Columnist

LONDON — Brexit. Brexit? Brexit! BREXIT!? The Backstop! Norway Plus! Canada Minus? The Cooper Amendment! The Malthouse Compromise? The Kyle-Wilson Amendment! Hard Brexit! Soft Brexit! No deal? Brexiteer! Remoaner! BREXIT!!?? Aaaargh.

It has come down to this with a few weeks to go until the March 29 deadline for Britain to leave the European Union, as it voted to do almost three years ago: a jumble of jargon, jousting and gibberish, with everyone sucked into the vortex of confusion, to the exclusion of every other issue in the world. Britain’s biggest political parties are splintering, and there is clarity only on the fact that nobody has a clue what is about to happen.

So much for the panacea offered in 2016 by leaders of the Vote Leave campaign — a land of milk and honey in which an island liberated from European shackles would become “Global Britain,” money would flow, impetigo would be cured, children would become more beautiful, the soil more bountiful, and the world Britain’s oyster. These days, the fantasy has sagged into a mumbled, “Well, Brexit is not the end of the world.”

Not quite. “Leaving and going somewhere are not the same thing,” Sam Gyimah, a Conservative politician who quit the government of Prime Minister Theresa May late last year in protest at her proposed accord with the 27-nation European Union, told me. “Nobody agrees on where we should go.”

May’s deal, overwhelmingly rejected by Parliament last month, is a fudge. It leaves the nature of Britain’s future relationship with the European Union to be decided over the next two years. Everything — the fate of the customs union, of the single market, of the Ireland-United Kingdom border — remains unresolved under this proposal that May is now scrambling to rescue.

Article 7 of May’s proposed agreement — call it the disempowerment clause — says that after March 29, European Union law “shall be understood as including the United Kingdom” except as regards “the participation in the decision making and governance of the bodies, offices and agencies of the Union.” In other words, things remain as they are except that Britain loses “its voice, its vote and its veto,” in Gyimah’s phrase, as it embarks retrospectively on negotiating what its on-time exit from the union actually means.

“It would be the greatest voluntary transfer of sovereignty in memory,” Pat McFadden, a Labour M.P. opposed to Brexit, told me.

So much for the “Take Back Control” slogan Brexiteers wielded in 2016 to foist every frustration of voters onto Brussels. In fact, the best the Tory government could come up with over negotiations consuming the entire political energy (and untold treasure) of this country is a kick-the-can measure designed to avert the calamity of a no-deal Brexit.

This, absent an accord or deferral, would involve Britain crashing out of the union on March 29 into a void. Bring it on! So say the hard-line Tories in May’s party, their appetite for destruction not yet sated. Many of them are members of the European Research Group, an entity whose anodyne name masks its pro-Brexit zeal. It has apparently never heard of a multinational supply chain.

Honda’s recent decision to close a plant in Swindon with the loss of 3,500 jobs — unrelated, it says, to Brexit (ha-ha) — and Nissan’s recent retrenchment are signs, along with slower growth and lower investment, of the price Britain has already paid for uncertainty. No-deal Brexit would turn uncertainty into mayhem.

So May maneuvers to save her deal, chiefly by adjusting the “backstop,” an insurance policy to preserve an open border in Ireland that has enraged hard-line Brexiteers because they see it as a Trojan horse for keeping Britain in the customs union through all eternity.

Jeremy Corbyn, the feckless Labour leader, maneuvers to keep his fingerprint off the British exit he not-so-secretly favors, while the majority of his party wants to remain in the European Union and eight M.P.s quit to form an independent group in Parliament to protest his policies.

Yvette Cooper, a leading Labour politician, pushes a bill to defer the March 29 deadline; and two other Labour M.P.s, Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, have drawn up an amendment that would see the House of Commons approve May’s accord on condition that it is put to a second referendum. (As for the Malthouse Compromise and forms of a soft or free-trade Brexit modeled on Norwegian or Canadian ties to the union, consign them, dear reader, to the vast T.M.I. Brexit archive).

The bottom line is simple: Brexit has been, is and will be a disaster for Britain. The 2016 vote was manipulated through lies. A country that has benefited from its 46-year participation in a union of more than a half-billion Europeans is drifting toward a self-amputation understood by few, opposed by the young, abetted by a dissembling anti-American Labour leader, driven by little-England Tory right-wingers holding the country for ransom, and, according to polls, no longer wanted by the majority.

Here are the odds in descending order of likelihood: An adjusted May accord secures parliamentary approval; the March 29 deadline is extended; no deal; a second referendum. Fight on! The best option, now that the country has sobered up, is to put Britain’s real future to a second people’s vote.

Opinion | Britain in the Crazed Brexit Vortex
 
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The best option now is to actually plan for no deal, something they should have done from day 1.
 
All those tweets, all those threats, all those rodomontades and agitation for nothing? The US trade deficit increased sharply last year to its highest level in 10 years, at $621 billion. For commodities alone, it is even a historical deficit of 891 billion. This is a severe admission of failure for the tenant of the White House and his protectionist rhetoric. It could not prevent the ever-increasing influx of imports from China and Mexico. This is despite the customs duties imposed by the US administration on a number of products.

"Trade wars are good and easy to win," Donald Trump launched a year ago on social networks. :):):)
 
The best option now is to actually plan for no deal, something they should have done from day 1.
No, no.
Leave.
Go to uncle Sam. You are genetically programmed to be the next star of the US flag.
UE will run better without you.
next target : Polishexit.
 
All those tweets, all those threats, all those rodomontades and agitation for nothing? The US trade deficit increased sharply last year to its highest level in 10 years, at $621 billion. For commodities alone, it is even a historical deficit of 891 billion. This is a severe admission of failure for the tenant of the White House and his protectionist rhetoric. It could not prevent the ever-increasing influx of imports from China and Mexico. This is despite the customs duties imposed by the US administration on a number of products.

"Trade wars are good and easy to win," Donald Trump launched a year ago on social networks. :):):)
He did win though, because China was forced back to the negotiating table. Not that your post is Brexit related.

Analysis - Tracking USA VS China Trade war

Bye Bye Trade War? China Plans $1 Trillion Buying Spree to Reduce US Trade Deficit
 
No, no.
Leave.
Go to uncle Sam. You are genetically programmed to be the next star of the US flag.
UE will run better without you.
next target : Polishexit.
We're currently just a star on the EU flag, so the US flag would be an upgrade.

Ah, so when Britain mentioned the uncontrolled influx of Polish migrants being a problem they were racist, but now France would like to see them out too.