Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions
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It won't be supported without compensation. And land seizure is a major bone of contention in human rights even when the land isn't formally owned by the farmers but has been farmed for generations. The reason is because it pertains to people's and community's ability to feed themselves..
Yes, they can actually. Especially if they seized the land.
And yet Mao's China grew faster than India.
Which are worth nothing to anybody today or in the near future, especially the majority of people who are not involved in them. Do you expect them to pay us back one day? Nope, ain't ever going to happen. They're a money drain.
They should have let companies utilise labour there and build up their economy rather than simply subsidising them and pulling away their citizens ad infinitum. The cost of this to the nations that actually pay is intolerable.
I can't believe anyone still expects a good deal. No deal is the only decent option left.
You are welcome to reclaim the people any time you like but the land is ours.
You can have an FTA. That's practically a no deal Brexit.
In the Canada style FTA, you get 99% removal of customs duties at the very least, even if there are barriers to services and financial sectors. It will keep your manufacturing industry functioning. And you won't need border checks for goods, so that will significantly solve the Irish problem.
Everything else will be quite close to a no deal situation.
According to Teresa May's statement, she will support land Reformation as long as it comes through a democratic process Lol.
And no, Mao's China didn't grown faster than India. GDP of Mao's China was far lesser than India. Chinese economy started growing after the Mao's death when the chairman Deng Xiaoping removed Mao's policy and liberalised Chinese economy in 1978.
15 million died in just one famine in Mao's China due to poverty.
Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia
Project fear is becoming project fact. If the country changes its mind, should it be allowed a vote to express that change? If you answer no, then it is you who do not accept the democratic process. Democracy is never a one off vote, which is then sacrosanct. What you're thinking of there is fascism. Democracy is an on-going process. Continuing to oppose Brexit is not anti-democratic, and if Brexit ever actually happens, campaigning to rejoin the EU will also be democracy in action.
This is a bullshit argument. We have to cover our costs today and pay interest on the costs we do not cover. Let the companies employ them in their own country and let them trade and build up their economy that way, rather than artificially inflating it with foreign money and pulling away their citizens.
Once you remove the EU net contribution from many of these 'growing markets' they aren't even growing at all. E.g. Poland. It gets >2.5% of GDP via EU contribution and growth is just over 2%. People are deluding themselves. And the exports to these countries are negligible and any company profits in that country itself are taxed in that country. There is no gain for us here.
Don't want an FTA. That's worse than a no deal Brexit. That means the EU gets to keep its exports to us, we lose services trade and our goods are still held up via their endless NTBs. At least with WTO we can collect tariffs on their exports to us.
The NTBs would still hold up goods and impose effective tariffs anyway. Out manufacturing industry relies very little on exports to the EU and under WTO would be able to replace more of their exports than we would lose of our own.
An FTA is worthless. There's nothing 'free' about it. In fact there is nothing free about any trade with the EU. You pay money for EU membership and other indirect costs. You pay NTBs costs under an FTA. You pay customs duties to them under a customs union. May as well just WTO tariff them instead until they realise what 'free' actually means.
There has never been any incident in UK history of having an immediate second referendum on the same thing. We had to wait 41 years for this one despite numberous constitutional changes. So don't lecture us on democracy now remoaner.
Rejoining the EU would mean joining the Euro and bailing out all the failing states. We would also lose the rebate and likely pay more. Nobody would want that I believe.
Private property does constitute territorial possession. You'll find there are depth limits to property possession and any mineral wealth below them belongs to the state.