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Funny that isn't it? I could present a million documents describing how the Cholas looted other countries, but you have an excuse for each one. At least I don't deny the looting the British did. That was pretty much the sole driver for empires both then and before.
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The "excuse" as you term it is the equivalence you seek to draw between British pimping aka British Pimpire aka settler colonialism & the Chola expeditionary raids . A more proper analogy to the Cholas & their expeditionary raids across present day SE Asia would be the wars fought between the Anglos & Spanish Empires with Spanish fleets being regularly subjected to piracy by British "corsairs" ( man I love the English language ) .
The only settler colonialism the Cholas or for that matter any Tamil Nadu based empire indulged in was in Sri Lanka . SL to these Tamil Empires was what Paddyland was to Britain. Moreover since the Lankans weren't exactly Paddys they gave as good as they got , frequently tying up with rivals of the incumbent dynasties in TN or outside of it , financing such expeditions , sending their armies across to mainland India to collaborate with such rivals to wage war on these Tamil monarchs . So unlike the Paddy vs British affair which was boringly one sided , there was a lot of to & fro between those Tamil monrachs & SL as well as with those empires in present day Indonesia & Malaysia .
You've been quoting the Cholas relentlessly since ages . How much serious reading have you done on it ? Clearly not much . In fact it's zero going by your Paddy inputs here which aren't even sub standard but far less than it . Which is what has been my experience & that of any other Indian member & dare I say the French membership here too . Which is precisely why I wrote earlier that whenever anybody here has a conversation with you on geopolitics , geostrategies , geoeconomics the IQ level of the entire conversation drops several IQ points in a flash much like the LSE these days .
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Of course there had to be the footprints of the perfidious Albion on all this. A nation now in terminal decline punching far above it's weight proving to themselves more than outsiders that they're still important players on the world stage. Whereas they're on their to becoming the decrepit back water isles they always were in most of the Christian era. @BMD
Perhaps, but India has never issued a formal apology for gang raping a nun before the massacre either? That said, the massacre itself was obviously wrong, but the events leading up to it are often omitted, which creates a false picture. There had been several mutinies and attacks of British civilians, which left the people in charge convinced that the illegal gathering was another insurrection. They were incorrect however, and the gathering was broadly peaceful and took place because the notice that such meetings had been banned, was not as well communicated as it should have been.
Has India ever returned any of the loot the Cholas took?
War trophies: When Hindu kings raided temples and abducted idols
Hindus are said to be seething in rage at the wrongs done to them in the past but this narrative of anger – and hate – might have had little purchase with proper historical perspective.scroll.in
How the Buddhists and Jains were Persecuted in Ancient Brahmin India - Velivada - Educate, Agitate, Organize
“… Hiuen-Tsang, who visited India from 629 to 645 AD, describes the influence of a south Indian Brahmin queen on her husband who ordered the execution of many thousand Buddhists including 8,000 in …velivada.com
Did Hindu kings destroy Buddhist temples?
Answer (1 of 11): In Northern India none of the Ancient Monuments exist, which are older than 10th Century. Neither Buddhist nor Hindu. Islamic Invasion started in thw 9th century and Islamic Invasion destroyed most of the ancient monuments in northern india. Only monuments in Central India and S...www.quora.com
one nun assaulted by a few criminal elements does not need an aplogy. They were dealt as criminals by the govt of the day and punished. And said govt decided to do more and attack an entire country using that excuse and massacred 1000s.
If that's the logic you want to use then maybe said nun should not have come to a country where she was not welcome to start with.
Perhaps, but India has never issued a formal apology for gang raping a nun before the massacre either? That said, the massacre itself was obviously wrong, but the events leading up to it are often omitted, which creates a false picture. There had been several mutinies and attacks of British civilians, which left the people in charge convinced that the illegal gathering was another insurrection. They were incorrect however, and the gathering was broadly peaceful and took place because the notice that such meetings had been banned, was not as well communicated as it should have been.
Has India ever returned any of the loot the Cholas took?
War trophies: When Hindu kings raided temples and abducted idols
Hindus are said to be seething in rage at the wrongs done to them in the past but this narrative of anger – and hate – might have had little purchase with proper historical perspective.How the Buddhists and Jains were Persecuted in Ancient Brahmin India - Velivada - Educate, Agitate, Organize
“… Hiuen-Tsang, who visited India from 629 to 645 AD, describes the influence of a south Indian Brahmin queen on her husband who ordered the execution of many thousand Buddhists including 8,000 in …Did Hindu kings destroy Buddhist temples?
Answer (1 of 11): In Northern India none of the Ancient Monuments exist, which are older than 10th Century. Neither Buddhist nor Hindu. Islamic Invasion started in thw 9th century and Islamic Invasion destroyed most of the ancient monuments in northern india. Only monuments in Central India and S...
VS Naipaul said that in 1970s. By 1990s he had become one of India's biggest cheerleaders and wrote a book called 'million mutinies' on it.
' a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'
That's not the full picture either. They were several attacks and mutinies, both thwarted and not thwarted. Dangerous times were followed by an overreaction, which was a typical mistake of the British throughout history (e.g. Boston Tea Party, Easter Rising).
Well yeah, fair argument, but it's not the same as deciding to gas all Indians simply because they're Indian a la Hitler.
Remember what did we tell you about dropping IQ points rapidly in a conversation with you??
Here's another example of it.
India had a total population of ~ 330 million people at Independence. You think it's a joke to gas these many people, Paddy? To add to it, the Jews rarely put up resistance. You actually think 330 million Indians would go to their deaths in a peaceful manner , like Gandhi lead his non violent agitations
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Are you insulting our intelligence or displaying yours?
Funny that isn't it? I could present a million documents describing how the Cholas looted other countries, but you have an excuse for each one. At least I don't deny the looting the British did. That was pretty much the sole driver for empires both then and before.
Chola Navy - Wikipedia
Chola empire no longer exists. So what they did is irrelevant. British govt exists and is a continuation of the one that colonized and plundered the world.
The British Empire no longer exists either, and the British government of 2023 is hardly the same as the British government of the 19th century.
Of course the British Pimpire exists . What're you doing holding Gibraltar , the Falkland Islands , Diego Garcia , your holdings in the Caribbean , the Pacific etc .
It's a truncated British Pimpire but it is the British Pimpire . Call a donkey an *censored* , it still brays like you do & call poop , sh!t it still stinks like you do . More than your views I might add .
Nope. The monarchy no longer has the same powers as 1751. The regulations on voting have all changed since 1751, and not one single person from 1751 is still around. It's not even the same India as far as that goes. Only individuals can be responsible for crimes.