ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

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Have another doubt ,

AMCA mk1 will fly with F414, whereas Mk2 will fly with Safran JV engine, meaning JV engine will be drop fit , can be swapped with F414 right ?

That means even for Tejas Mk2 it can be swapped ?

I'm assuming that better engine would need little more space, so the airframe'll also need some adjustment, which can be done for any jet technically.
Today a new engine should be aimed at as high thrust as possible, say 200-250 KN wet.
Some Tejas-2 MWF can use F414, then like AMCA-2 we'll need stealthy Tejas-3 with far better engine.
 
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That's not capitalism that's stupidity. You're wrecking a well performing company thru short sighted policies for unknown gains. Capitalism means first & foremost you have a level playing field. Right now HAL is operating with one hand tied behind its back like all PSU's & while pvt sector cos have the advantage of agility in decision making & nimbleness . However they lack the requisite experience..
It is not intentionally wrecking anything; it is the natural evolution of replacing an underperforming entity with a more competent one. MoD is trying to create a level playing field for the private sector. According to your statement you cant be arguing against it.

You cant support monopoly and say they need level playing field !. That screams romanticism. It is amusing that you choose to highlight the issues of a state-run monopoly when the private sector was practically banned from participating.

Considering you as you were part of the system at some level i can understand it. But you have to come to terms with how we are shifting towards a free-market capitalism.

I've always advocated the same approach for OFBs
Then there is nothing more to argue!.

Yes the armed forces are entitled to receive the best arms & platforms our money can buy just as those OFBs require the best machines there are to helf mfg the best of arms & platforms our armed forces desire .
"If only OFB had better machines", no one ever said.

The issues are not machines, but rather incentives and motivation. The public sector does not have them because it is owned by the government.

(Sorry, I forgot to click "reply" when I wrote it.)
 
It is not intentionally wrecking anything; it is the natural evolution of replacing an underperforming entity with a more competent one. MoD is trying to create a level playing field for the private sector. According to your statement you cant be arguing against it.
Natural evolution would mean you qualify cos to be sub system integrators like you've for the LCA program & have HAL as the lead integrator. That way you build up the ecosystem .

This would be true even if the GoI doesn't free HAL from its control though that's the best way forward for the future of HAL & the well being of the Indian aerospace ecosystem. But then again since when have we taken the wisest course of action.

We usually do so after exhausting all the bad options first. If the company survives all these experiments , we then go about doing what we ought to have done right at the beginning.

The current scheme appears to be half baked . We don't even know the stakes , the company chosen to partner HAL will hold in the JV / SPV . If the stakes are divided into 50% each , both become equal shareholders . Who's going to be the lead integrator then ? This is nothing but a recipe for disaster.
You cant support monopoly and say they need level playing field !. That screams romanticism. It is amusing that you choose to highlight the issues of a state-run monopoly when the private sector was practically banned from participating.
Just to be clear I'm not supporting a monopoly. I'm for HAL to be out of MoD's control to function as an independent entity.

I'm also for those cos pre qualified to function as sub lead integrators in the AMCA project like is the case with LCA.

Let these cos also participate in the future Mk-1a requirements , the forthcoming Mk-2 , TEDBF as well as the AMCA program . That way you build up an independent co as a competitor to HAL when the 6th Gen FA program is launched.
Considering you as you were part of the system at some level i can understand it. But you have to come to terms with how we are shifting towards a free-market capitalism.
I don't think you understand the difference between free market enterprise & strategic investments . You seem to be applying the same yardstick to HAL that you would to Air India .
Then there is nothing more to argue!.

"If only OFB had better machines", no one ever said.

The issues are not machines, but rather incentives and motivation. The public sector does not have them because it is owned by the government.

(Sorry, I forgot to click "reply" when I wrote it.)
Please acquaint yourself with the equipment & working conditions of OFB . I don't think you've the slightest clue about the way these entities are functioning.

This isn't to say that they aren't corrupt or incompetent or just plain lousy. The question I've posed earlier & now is the same - how did they reach their current status ? Is it only these OFBs who're to blame ? What's the role of the MoD in these OFBs being the way they are .

The solution now seems to be perform or perish . Once again without giving them the tools or independence necessary to see them through the transition.

Result - at some point in time since the present situation is untenable there will come a day when either some or most of these OFB entities will be shuttered. It's called throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Given that they're getting wind tunnel models now, it isn't coming in service before 2047.
not really no, the CATS warrior completed its windtunnel testing in late 2022/early 2023 and the project has come along quite well with a ground run alr done this year and and first flight late next year or early 2027. Its not as complicated as a jet so shouldn't be too bad
 
not really no, the CATS warrior completed its windtunnel testing in late 2022/early 2023 and the project has come along quite well with a ground run alr done this year and and first flight late next year or early 2027. Its not as complicated as a jet so shouldn't be too bad
Its not the main aircraft, HAL is still working on the bigger ones that is to be powered with HTFE-25. And FUFA is supposed be VLA, warrior is LO.
 
Its not the main aircraft, HAL is still working on the bigger ones that is to be powered with HTFE-25. And FUFA is supposed be VLA, warrior is LO.
Even by conservative estimates I think it is very much possible for DRDO and co to make & fly FUFA within next 10 years so. It's not as complicated as AMCA. A lot of the learning from CATS will go into that. Issue is whether MoD will be interested in the programme or not rather than technical feasibility.
 
Even by conservative estimates I think it is very much possible for DRDO and co to make & fly FUFA within next 10 years so. It's not as complicated as AMCA. A lot of the learning from CATS will go into that. Issue is whether MoD will be interested in the programme or not rather than technical feasibility.
Such projects in a sane country would be under PMO, but can't say the same for ours. Ideally one could expect induction of SWiFT as EW/ISR platform or CATS Warrior at least for testing and validation. IAF afaik doesn't even have a MUM-T programme.
 
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