Just in case if there are doubts about amca project status , see point 2
> After class-10 board exams, many science students have taken "Engineering Drawing" as elective subject in class-11,12.
> In Engineering colleges, 1st year is common. Students learn basic truss analysis, some more physics, chemistry, maths, etc. Some colleges may give exposure to basic computer programming, robotics, etc also. Engg.Drw. is also taught.
> "Industrial Management & economics" is also a subject in 3rd or 4th year where project phases are explained.
> In final year 8th semester, all students have to submit some project & make a professional level, hard cover journal.
> Industry teaches about S.O.P.s.
> AutoCAD, CATIA kind of S/w are well known since 1990s.
> Today AI tools like Chat-GPT, etc can give the code for CAD.
> Our DoD already uses hand-held remote & 3D goggles to explore & rectify CAD.
> My 10yo TV has gesture & voice control & the same can be used to speed up CAD tasks.
So these documents are not wonders to 100s of 1000s of techies across nation, but simple documentation work.
I'll still say that all these CAD should have been completed by now. Reasons for delays everywhere are always endless bcoz nobody wants to get punished.
15 years is long time. There is lack of right pace coordination b/w GoI/MoD, DoD & private firms involved.
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I wonder what that means, the assembly line is shifted to private sector or the Tejas model is followed?
They might have done significant progress in this area otherwise, boasting about 5th gen wouldn't mean any sense except for political digestion. Yesterday they came under pressure due to that Fung kaveri engine, so this tweet will shut many.
बस जल्दी जल्दी बनाओ 2030 से पहले।...... بس جلدی کریں 2030 سے شروع کریں۔....... Hazlo rápido, antes de 2030......2030年までに早く作ってください....... Just make it quickly before 2030.
Centre approves development of AMCA prototype with rollout target of 2031. HAL to bid with private firms
HAL has so far been the only entity in India to manufacture fighter planes. It will now have to compete against private companies, like TATA, Adani, L&T and other interested players.
theprint.in
I am so confused now. Are they talking about the production level prototype here? The 1st prototype rollout was planned for FY 28 afaik.
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YEAH, WHAT HAL DID IN 2022 BY POSTING ABOUT METAL CUTTING THEN? IT WAS ALL FOR THE SHOW?Centre approves development of AMCA prototype with rollout target of 2031. HAL to bid with private firms
HAL has so far been the only entity in India to manufacture fighter planes. It will now have to compete against private companies, like TATA, Adani, L&T and other interested players.
I am so confused now. Are they talking about the production level prototype here? The 1st prototype rollout was planned for FY 28 afaik.
Centre approves development of AMCA prototype with rollout target of 2031. HAL to bid with private firms
HAL has so far been the only entity in India to manufacture fighter planes. It will now have to compete against private companies, like TATA, Adani, L&T and other interested players.
I am so confused now. Are they talking about the production level prototype here? The 1st prototype rollout was planned for FY 28 afaik.
There's not much information to go by. A "prototype" in passing could mean anything, TD-1, PV-1, or LSP-1. What matters is first flight.
Jargons are necessary.
It was probably a show but I am pretty sure everyone knew that the project hadn't been sanctioned.
My issue is which prototype is being talked about here? Because ADA chief had said the timeline is 2028 FY for 1st prototype. It's probably the production variant for 2031.
First LCA-Mk2 prototype likely to roll out by end of year, AMCA by early 2027
AMCA, India's fifth-generation fighter jet, set to roll out by 2026, crucial for modernization amid regional competition.
There is the hindu article as well reiterating the FY 28 timeline
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh approves AMCA execution model through industry partnership
Defence Minister approves execution model for indigenous fifth gen fighter jet AMCA, crucial for maintaining technological edge against China.
Too slow!
I don't understand why we are not working on targeting pods atleast and MAWS pods also, EOTS is basically sniper ATP in-built, while DAS is extension of MAWS.
These kind of aircraft should be flying already for AMCA program to be taken seriously
I don't understand why we are not working on targeting pods atleast and MAWS pods also, EOTS is basically sniper ATP in-built, while DAS is extension of MAWS.
These kind of aircraft should be flying already for AMCA program to be taken seriously
The earlier plan was the private sector will lead the program and HAL will be a 49% partner. Let's see if that's the case now.
Yeah the word consortium is kinda worrying because the tejas production can be called a consortium as well
It was probably a show but I am pretty sure everyone knew that the project hadn't been sanctioned.
My issue is which prototype is being talked about here? Because ADA chief had said the timeline is 2028 FY for 1st prototype. It's probably the production variant for 2031.
First LCA-Mk2 prototype likely to roll out by end of year, AMCA by early 2027
AMCA, India's fifth-generation fighter jet, set to roll out by 2026, crucial for modernization amid regional competition.www.thehindu.com
There is the hindu article as well reiterating the FY 28 timeline
Or it could be a the print's misprint.Defence Minister Rajnath Singh approves AMCA execution model through industry partnership
Defence Minister approves execution model for indigenous fifth gen fighter jet AMCA, crucial for maintaining technological edge against China.
The TDs must have already gone through to the construction phase. If the 2 TDs fly in 2028 and 2029, then a prototype rollout in 2030 could result in first flight in 2031.
We have testbeds for avionics.
Tejas is 100% HAL managed.
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh approves AMCA execution model through industry partnership
Defence Minister approves execution model for indigenous fifth gen fighter jet AMCA, crucial for maintaining technological edge against China.Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has approved the execution model for the under development indigenous fifth generation fighter jet, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), with the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) to execute the programme through industry partnership. Speeding up the development and induction of AMCA has become critical since China has already fielded two fifth gen fighters and is set to supply 40 J-35s to Pakistan, and especially so after the military confrontation under Operation Sindoor.
The AMCA project, the country’s only fifth gen fighter programme, received approval from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in March 2024 at an approximate cost of ₹15,000 Crore as a 25-tonne twin engine stealth aircraft
“The execution model approach provides equal opportunities to both private and public sectors on competitive basis. They can bid either independently or as joint venture or as consortia. The entity/bidder should be an Indian company compliant with the laws and regulations of the country,” a Defence Ministry statement said.
As reported by The Hindu earlier, the design of AMCA is ready and the first prototype is expected to roll out by 2028-29 and production is expected to begin from 2032-33. The target is to have the aircraft ready for induction in 2034.
This is an important step towards harnessing the indigenous expertise, capability and capacity to develop the AMCA prototype, which will be a major milestone towards Aatmanirbharta in the aerospace sector, the Ministry said adding that ADA will shortly issue an Expression of Interest (EoI) for the AMCA development phase.
AMCA will feature internal weapons bay and diverterless supersonic intake which has been developed in India for the first time with an internal carriage of 1,500 kg of payload and 5,500 kg of external payload with 6,500 kg of internal fuel. Officials had stated earlier that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will be the lead production agency with significant involvement of the private sector to speed up the project.
Development of AMCA is planned to be carried out in two phases, a MK1 with the General Electric F-414 engine and a Mk2 with a more powerful engine planned to be co-developed in partnership with Saran of France for which discussions have been under way over the last few years. The F-414 engine is the same that will power the under-development Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-Mk2 that was sanctioned in September 2022. A deal to licence-manufacture the F-414 in India by HAL is in advanced states of conclusion.While the indigenous LCA programme is critical in addressing the falling fighter squadron strength of the Indian Air Force (IAF), the AMCA project is critical to maintain the technological edge and will be the mainstay of the IAF in future. China, which has made great progress in the development and deployment of FGFAs, has deployed its twin-engine J-20 FGFA in Tibet bordering India and recently unveiled an advanced prototypes of its fifth generation fighters.
First prototype roll-out by 2029 is wonderful news. Now get the engines ready
Centre approves development of AMCA prototype with rollout target of 2031. HAL to bid with private firms
HAL has so far been the only entity in India to manufacture fighter planes. It will now have to compete against private companies, like TATA, Adani, L&T and other interested players.
I am so confused now. Are they talking about the production level prototype here? The 1st prototype rollout was planned for FY 28 afaik.
Metal cutting started in 2022, 1st prototype in 2031,
9 years for AMCA prototype in 2020s
Vs
YF-22 in 3 years from 1987-90.
& it was re-designed in 3 months with 1980s primitive CAD tools.
Definitely we've many world records.
- fastest 5gen design
- fastest 5gen re-design
- fastest 5gen prototype manufacture
- slowest 5gen design/re-design
- slowest 5gen prototype manufacture
- last/latest 5gen fighter jet
If we consider previous roll out year of 2028 then also it is a record.
That metal cutting was clearly mentioned as part of technology development ie a TD event, technology demonstration via metal cutting for the titanium bulkhead.
See, if we get used to nature of projects they handle, we would be able to differentiate between such stuff either via clear mention or by seeing abbreviation/project designation code etc.
See, if we get used to nature of projects they handle, we would be able to differentiate between such stuff either via clear mention or by seeing abbreviation/project designation code etc.