AMCA need come before 2030 at all cost , 2035 will be to late.... Need to speed up things here like we are doing with 3 billion $ Spy satellite program.
Sadly, think along the lines of 2040-45 for the definitive model. That's why the IAF wants MRFA to bridge the gap.
Even AMCA with GE414 before 2030 would be a huge boost. I think first flight by 2030 is going to be done but induction will happen only around 2036, maybe 2035 or 34 if they expedite it. If we have even AMCA with GE414 by the next clash however it's over for Porks.
First flight is expected in 2028, it will enter LRIP at best in 2030, and IOC in 2032, which means the first 20 will take until 2035 to deliver. Then FOC in 2037 would mean the next 20 would take until 2039, then 1 squadron a year after that. And these dates can slip.
Ghatak could happen early though. The engine's almost ready. It's in the last stage for financial clearance, which could come through once the engine is cleared for production.
These people are way to slow....Countries are already moving towards 6th generation fighter during that time frame... India overall Defense Budget need to go up + defence R&D budget need to triple at minimum.... This time we can not wait..... They need to turn these science projects into reality.
The IAF's 6th gen focus is on a strike UCAV rather than a fighter.
While DRDO needs budget for testing infra, their budget is sufficient for all projects. It's the private sector that needs to enter the game in a big way so DRDO can focus on high-end areas.
What are the reasons for that if you could guess ? How many 5th gen options are out there made by different countries ?
Running a 5th gen jet under a defence alliance umbrella (while needing clearance code to start the jet) is not mastering 5th gen tech. I have used Microsoft products for years, it makes me one user, not the maker of the software. Even if I try I won't be able to code and prove the entire software myself.
It also takes entire life cycle of the said product to get mature enough because all these are combination of various technological application hence contain major glitches that can cripple the entire product within a flash. the proof being Microsoft have to release update regularly, if you use one old version of the tech you will be considered vulnerable, which in military terms is not acceptable at all. So expecting Turk or chinese versions to be mature right off the bat is kinda meh. Low IQ pak will buy the argument but on field the difference will be clear.
As for the slow part, you first need to establish the different enabling technology done to an acceptable standard, like stealth material at component level, passive sensors etc. Then you can venture into the core project.
i guess old school mentality, lack of young generation from reputed IIT , and low salaries DRDO is not able to absorb new out-of the box thinking guys,
rather have to stick with low skill people who are not ready to change and follow old proven techniques of aircraft development,
we also lack many modern facilities and stuck in soviet era machines due to our ties with Russia.
turkey was able to churn out prototype in 2 years due to use of modern machinery and collaboration with western MIC.
Not what I meant. I mean why there are so few 5th gen jets in the market available as option , and a country (China) that itself copies & imitates every single other product suddenly managed to go past everyone and matured the tech needed for future generations. This is not how technical maturity happens or a product becomes major defect free acceptable standard.
You can always choose to invest in a gold plated product to show your capability even if the product is full of defects that are not known in public knowledge. You can publicly show that it is your major deterrent which the low IQ public will believe. This is detrimental to your own forces operational capability only. Once the other side call out the bluff part of it, we can guess what follow after.
What? Is this true?!?! Not seeing anything being confirmed.
Timeline coincides with Mk2 timeline..
Entire test flights in 5 years!
Private production line?
Unbelievable..
With its defintive engines(110KN/120KN wet), it'll have better TWR than F-22. Go figureIs AMCA an air superiority fighter?
This is excellent news
. If AMCA can enter production from 2029, then we don't need any 5th gen imports. Just hope all-parties involved bring their A game and stick to the timelines. With ever growing VLO threats in our neighbourhood, having AMCA as soon as possible becomes imperative.
Like or unlike F-35 , sweetie ?Is AMCA an air superiority fighter?
I don't think the AMCA will fly before 2029 & unlike the Mk-2 it will take 5 years to achieve FOC post which you may see skipping of the LRIP stage & directly go into mass production. I don't expect the numbers to remain static at 40 nos too. I'm expecting double this number.
It's time we initiate studies into the 6th Gen FA project ASAP with ADA working in tandem with IAF to explore possibilities of a AHCA in line with the NGAD or GCAP or the J-36 of China.
We need to begin design & developmental work on it by the early 2030s. Also studies are needed for the N-AMCA. If the IN is looking for a 5th Gen FA we can't afford a clean sheet design that too for the kind of numbers that the IN will induct.
Further IN needs a kick on the same spot we administer to sweetie every now & then to get a move on with the TEDBF & get it into mass production by 2035 & cease their sly ways by trying to sneak in another tranche of Rafale M by going slow on the TEDBF & now allegedly thinking of converting it into a 5th Gen (?) or attempting to come up with a clean sheet design
Initially, there was a plan to operationalize Brahmos without TVC in 2031 and Brahmos with TVC in 2035. Now they moved whole program to 2035.
That tweet..Arun pudur is not real .
And I got fooled previously by same guy i think..
Long time back ,couldn't remember..
If we ask for source , he might give the old news of old timeline..
And I got fooled previously by same guy i think..
Long time back ,couldn't remember..
If we ask for source , he might give the old news of old timeline..
true, although we do hear about Govt asking to expedite many projects and making capital available. Multiple emergency procurement tranches might also get approved. Now since money is not infinite, so projects will also be chosen on priority basis. Hence we have to wait and see about the nature of progress, where do the expedition process lead to. There are also several high value orders that have moved to finalisation stage , be it QRSAM Kusha or approval for strategic projects or on the Naval side more SSBN and SSN or on the Space side strategic sat cluster/launcher VEDA etc. So all of these even passed over a multi year period post Op Sindoor would eat thru the budget. On top of this Govt has been clearly building case for both MRFA and 5th gen jet procurement, whether these 2 get merged remains to be seen. It is quite unlikely they are willing to spend huge on everything all of a sudden.