ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

The F-35 is still WIP. So, no, it doesn't need a separate array, all the hardware is already there. So while it's designed to do all that, whether it actually can is a big question mark right now. You can say the F-35 works as advertised after it achieves FOC, which is still a few years away.
I think RWR NG developed by DRDO is also having such capabilities it would be great if we are able to put it on amca.
 
RWR only provides a rough figure. You need DTOA and interferometers for high accuracy.

For example, RWR should be accurate to 10-15 deg at 200Km. Whereas with interferometers, you can get even less than 0.1 deg at 200Km. Strictly speaking, interferometers are good for anything.

I'd like to make a correction in my previous post 'cause it's quite wrong.
DTOA helps find bearing and angle. Does not find range.
Interferometer helps find range, bearing and angle.




On AEWC&S, you have the locations on the image you posted in post 911.

When it comes to fighter jets, as of now only Rafale has this capability operational and combat tested. The F-35 is still getting there.

The way Rafale works is quite unique. It has RWR and interferometers which provides very high accuracy on its own. But for much more accurate data, a group of Rafales act together as each individual antenna in a process called multilateration. This technique is also used by navigation satellites. So a group of Rafales will provide far more accurate passive data than an AWACS can. So, for fighter jets, only interferometers are enough along with the RWR.
Does any of our planned aircrafts, from MK2,TedBF & AMCA & super sukhoi will have this capability?
 
So we can mimic most of the Rafale capabilities on large fleet of IAF birds. Its a good thing, but doest hamper chances of execution of MMRCA2/ Rafales?

The Rafale is going to evolve to the next level with F4.2. No matter how much we upgrade the LCA or MKI, it can't match up to the J-20. Only the Rafale F4.2 can.

In terms of avionics, our main goal with older jets should be to come up to the level that's between the Rafale F3R and F4.2 over the next 5 years. For example, we need to develop F3R technologies but using GaN tech, along with more advanced tech like dual channel IRST, DC MAWS, DIRCM etc. We also need to indigenise most of the tech instead of relying on Israel and Europe. So we are still quite far away. Hopefully by 2040, by the time AMCA Mk2 is developed, we will have indigenised the entire supply chain and caught up advanced nations.

In terms of performance, we need to develop new jets like TEDBF and AMCA in order to match or surpass the Rafale. So that's gonna take a long time to accomplish.
 
The Rafale is going to evolve to the next level with F4.2. No matter how much we upgrade the LCA or MKI, it can't match up to the J-20. Only the Rafale F4.2 can.

In terms of avionics, our main goal with older jets should be to come up to the level that's between the Rafale F3R and F4.2 over the next 5 years. For example, we need to develop F3R technologies but using GaN tech, along with more advanced tech like dual channel IRST, DC MAWS, DIRCM etc. We also need to indigenise most of the tech instead of relying on Israel and Europe. So we are still quite far away. Hopefully by 2040, by the time AMCA Mk2 is developed, we will have indigenised the entire supply chain and caught up advanced nations.

In terms of performance, we need to develop new jets like TEDBF and AMCA in order to match or surpass the Rafale. So that's gonna take a long time to accomplish.
Interesting, what about EODAS? It will be available before 2025, if we have any plan to develop ?
 
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Interesting, what about EODAS? It will be available before 2025, if we have any plan to develop ?
Yes it will be there on amca.
The Rafale is going to evolve to the next level with F4.2. No matter how much we upgrade the LCA or MKI, it can't match up to the J-20. Only the Rafale F4.2 can.

In terms of avionics, our main goal with older jets should be to come up to the level that's between the Rafale F3R and F4.2 over the next 5 years. For example, we need to develop F3R technologies but using GaN tech, along with more advanced tech like dual channel IRST, DC MAWS, DIRCM etc. We also need to indigenise most of the tech instead of relying on Israel and Europe. So we are still quite far away. Hopefully by 2040, by the time AMCA Mk2 is developed, we will have indigenised the entire supply chain and caught up advanced nations.

In terms of performance, we need to develop new jets like TEDBF and AMCA in order to match or surpass the Rafale. So that's gonna take a long time to accomplish.
Don't worry amca mk1 avionics and Capabilities are going to be very advanced so within one decade we are going to do huge jump.
 
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RWR only provides a rough figure. You need DTOA and interferometers for high accuracy.

For example, RWR should be accurate to 10-15 deg at 200Km. Whereas with interferometers, you can get even less than 0.1 deg at 200Km. Strictly speaking, interferometers are good for anything.

I'd like to make a correction in my previous post 'cause it's quite wrong.
DTOA helps find bearing and angle. Does not find range.
Interferometer helps find range, bearing and angle.




On AEWC&S, you have the locations on the image you posted in post 911.

When it comes to fighter jets, as of now only Rafale has this capability operational and combat tested. The F-35 is still getting there.

The way Rafale works is quite unique. It has RWR and interferometers which provides very high accuracy on its own. But for much more accurate data, a group of Rafales act together as each individual antenna in a process called multilateration. This technique is also used by navigation satellites. So a group of Rafales will provide far more accurate passive data than an AWACS can. So, for fighter jets, only interferometers are enough along with the RWR.
What are the advantages of using these separate arrays apart from RWR. How their capabilities are different from RWR.
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Yes it will be there on amca.

Don't worry amca mk1 avionics and Capabilities are going to be very advanced so within one decade we are going to do huge jump.
AMCA definitely gonna take time, EODAS 360 deg optical covering should fielded on TEDBF & possible on MKI . MK2 may not be possible due to its airframe space limitations and overall power limitations.
 
Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead.
This paper presents the approach of applying the artificial intelligence (AI) techniques in the critical mission computer (MC).

cognitive processing in the MC will make MC to act as an electronic crew assistant sharing the workload of the pilot and helping him in severe situations.

It was being developed since 2013 now it's ready.
Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead | Defence Science Journal
 
Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead.
This paper presents the approach of applying the artificial intelligence (AI) techniques in the critical mission computer (MC).

cognitive processing in the MC will make MC to act as an electronic crew assistant sharing the workload of the pilot and helping him in severe situations.

It was being developed since 2013 now it's ready.
Making the Mission Computer Intelligent – A Step Ahead | Defence Science Journal
Just go through it it's really game changer.
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The way Rafale works is quite unique. It has RWR and interferometers which provides very high accuracy on its own. But for much more accurate data, a group of Rafales act together as each individual antenna in a process called multilateration. This technique is also used by navigation satellites. So a group of Rafales will provide far more accurate passive data than an AWACS can. So, for fighter jets, only interferometers are enough along with the RWR.

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I must say I stand corrected on this statement I made here. It's plain wrong. Or rather it's merely conjecture at this point and we don't know if it's even possible. So it may be possible sometime in the future or could be impossible to achieve because it's apparently difficult to coordinate this in flight, both positioning and time.

In theory it will work, but in practice whether the Rafale even has the hardware for it is questionable, never mind the level of coordination required. Maybe it will become possible onces drones take over.

Which means the Rafale's passive capabilities are something we can match. Hence there's nothing unique. A lot of other aircraft have this capability, including our new Apaches. Obviously the F-35 as well. So my bad on this one.