Frankly, we do have visionaries in the pvt sector like ex-IAF AM SB Deo, founder of JSR Dynamics who is developing a range of air launched munitions and CMs.
Some have even undergone captive tests on IAF jets. But his entire product range is in the early stages of dev. I favour a consortium approach where companies like DG Propulsion, Tonbo, JSR, Newspace and other startups pool their resources and share IP on a whole range of smart weapons for the IAF and IN with consutancy from ex-DRDO folks.
We don't have much need for "air launched" 1000km or more range weapons.
If its gonna be 1000 km or more range we can just launch it from land.
The only domain where it will make sense will be over oceans, but that will be when chinese navy enters in mid2030s and we have sufficient assests to provide midcourse updates for such a weapon to target a moving ship.
If you take China/BD into consideration and start to plot in terms of maps. LLCM have their advantages for sure. However, SLCMs and ALCMs provide greater operational flexibility as well as quick response capability (including salvo firing if feasible). It will allow you certain advantages when carrying out mass scale retaliation in terms of option availability. You can distribute strike packages over wider assets if you possess both ALCMs and LRLACM. It adds a layer of complexity for the other side when dealing with incoming missiles.
There is no certainty that the PLAAN will take that long to be frank with you. Ask any planner and they would jump at the prospect of a longer range ALCM or SLCM when planning a confrontation with PLA.
1. Long-range SLCMs would allow Indian submarines to strike high-value Chinese targets from safe distances while remaining in friendly or neutral waters. With ranges potentially extending to 1000+ km, these missiles provide the Indian Navy with the ability to threaten Chinese coastal installations, naval bases, and strategic assets without exposing submarines to immediate counter-attack.
2. SLCMs provide significant force multiplication capabilities by allowing a single submarine to engage multiple targets across vast areas. This enhances the Indian Navy's ability to conduct both land-attack missions and anti-ship operations, serving as deterrence platforms that can adapt to various tactical scenarios.
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And we'll need that in mid 2030s.
They need atleast 5 aircraft carriers to still maintain sufficient no. In home and send 2 carrier groups towards India.
China ain't gonna send a single carrier group risking its destruction for causing damage to IN in return in a war scenerio., they will send when they are sure they can sufficiently take on the Indian navy and other combined assets we have deployed in IN region.
Though their carrier group making pass through ION in peace time will start earlier.
Our's are ssk's, for ION.
We ain't risking an ssk sending it away from ION to strike targets.
*Future* SSN's will do it.
That force multiplication is not needed right now.
Putting the resources required for it to force multiply land based attack vector is a better option, in our scenerio.
Agree to disagree. IMO diversification in terms of strike capability cannot come sooner. Certain advantages offered from Sea or Air based ones are hard to ignore and within reach of our capabilities in terms of R&D.
Hard to ignore only for you.
There's a reason IN and IAF hasn't demanded those 1000 or more km range cruise missiles.
There's a reason upcoming submarine launched cruise missile has 500km range. Not 1000km.
Even upcoming air launched rudram 4 is expected to have ~800km, and it will enter service after 2030.
Sure. I said in IMO. There are inherent advantages that those types possess that have repeatedly been demonstrated across many theatres of war. There is no denying the operational flexibility and depth of strike that they possess.
So let me get this straight - using a Brahmos A, I can target Ningbo (2500 kms) or any eastern coastal city from the NE edge of Indian airspace? That seems to be incorrect when considering the range of the Brahmos A.
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Your forgetting our doctrine w.r.t china is defensive.
Any idea to target chinese cities will be thrown out of the window.
Forget about it, until mid2030s, then idea can float and work can start which will yield weapons to target chinese coastal cities/shipyards in 2040s.
Theoretical reach. No more than that but still valid. Its more in the context of the vast IOR area.
In theory yes because the moving platform is primarily the Su30 which then launch the vector from an appropriate point to hit the target.
Do not take this in serious land attack coverage, rather take this as a huge deterrent for any maritime vessel that can be the target in the vast IOR area. Flying over international water and sky is permitted.
What's the actual combat radius of su30mki while carrying a brahmosA(500KM Range).
Though i heard in a pidcast brahmos has 600km in newer varient *bought* but tauted as 450km.
( newer er varient tested is said to have 800km range)
Our economic expected might.
More economy-> more paisa for defense-> more ambitions.
Bigger economy-> bigger balls to take bolder moves from defensive to preemptive.
You can also see this evolution w.r.t. our policy with pakistan.
26/11 response vs operation sindoor, its not just gov. Changes, its also result of economic and military might of india that increased.
This approach is the best possible solution out there, you can get EO from the tonbo, engines from the DG propulsion or NAL, AI & OBC tech from the newspace, you are diversifying the chain, you can increase the production & reduce the production time, you can churn as much variant as you want, but how the business model Will work gonna be the main problem
I would imagine a JV company with shareholding split among all partners based on their investment. The company can be run by an experienced CEO reporting to a Board of Directors featuring representatives from all partner companies.
The SPV model could also work with GoI picking up 50% stake and the rest held by the respective partner firms.
Resident experts @Ashwin @marich01 @Parthu @Rajput Lion and others what exactly is the Sudarshan Chakra system announced by the PM? Is it a new AD system complete with radars and missile or an integrated network covering vast swaths of India with already developed and developing systems such as Akash, Kusha and S400? And how is it different than our IACCS? Or is possible the Sudarshan Chankra just another name for the final implementation of our BMD program?
