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other point about ancient Rgvedic clans in the steppes. If your theory is right, that Rgvedic clans left India around 9000 years ago and maintained a close knit society and did not intermingle with any local populace and later returned to India. This hypothesis goes against what you are advocating. If these Rgvedic clans did not intermingle with the steppe people, then they could not have left any genetic imprint on the steppe population and hence cannot account for shared genetic ancestry between the populations in the steppe, India and Europe.

Brilliant.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

My cryogenic endogamous 2000 year old salmon swimming back to mate ....

Cheers, Doc
 
What I am saying is that they settled in steppes as steppes gave nearly same weather conditions as north India. They became original to steppes. There was noone there before them. This group got starnded in steppes and existed for quite sometime as a stand alone society. People from this group migrated to Europe and also came back to India thru the same Caspian sea corridore via present day kazakistan. Check out the old names of cities in Kazakistan. They have sanskrit names.

Everything in Kazakhstan is Iranic and Zoroastrian.

Including but not limited to the open fire temples.

The Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz, the Uzbeks, the Tajiks, the Azerbaijani, are all Zoroastrian people.

Not Hindu.

Cheers, Doc
 
Rakhigarhi appears to be a huge habitation site and ASI team believes that the cemetery complex is much more larger. So we can still get newer skeletons and gather fresh DNA samples.

Papers related to archaeological digs sometimes takes years to be fully published. It's better to do a through analysis and then publish the findings, instead of rush into things. The preliminary findings about the genetic material analysed from the Rakhigarhi site, appears to indicate the Rakhigarhi individual shares genetic similarity with the members of the Irula tribe who are found in kerala and Tamil Nadu. Quite interesting...

Please share.

I've only read his anthropology paper.

Cheers, Doc
 
Everything in Kazakhstan is Iranic and Zoroastrian.

Including but not limited to the open fire temples.

The Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz, the Uzbeks, the Tajiks, the Azerbaijani, are all Zoroastrian people.

Not Hindu.

Cheers, Doc
Exactly and they all are the same people who were defeated and thrown out of India. I have explained that in another post.
 
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Everything in Kazakhstan is Iranic and Zoroastrian.

Including but not limited to the open fire temples.

The Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz, the Uzbeks, the Tajiks, the Azerbaijani, are all Zoroastrian people.

Not Hindu.

Cheers, Doc
A simple Wikipedia search shows that these people u mentioned like Kazakhs , Uzbeks are ethnic turks , so are Turkic people also Zoroastrian?
 
What I am saying is that they settled in steppes as steppes gave nearly same weather conditions as north India. They became original to steppes. There was noone there before them. This group got starnded in steppes and existed for quite sometime as a stand alone society. People from this group migrated to Europe and also came back to India thru the same Caspian sea corridore via present day kazakistan. Check out the old names of cities in Kazakistan. They have sanskrit names.

But steppes did have people. The kurgan culture (around 5000 BCE) The corded ware culture (around 4000 BCE), Yamanya culture (around 3500 BCE), Andronovo culture (around 2000 BCE), Sintashta culture (around 2000 BCE), BMAC (around 2300 BCE)..... These were pastoral cultures (except for may be BMAC) which revolved around domestication of the horse and horse based transport.
 
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Please share.

I've only read his anthropology paper.

Cheers, Doc

You mean Vasant Shinde. Then that's the only paper that so far has been published on the Rakhigarhi excavations. No official paper on the DNA samples collected from the skeletal remains has been published. The preliminary info on its connection to the Irula tribe is mentioned by Anand rai, who is one of the researcher involved in the study, in an interview to a media house.
 
You mean Vasant Shinde. Then that's the only paper that so far has been published on the Rakhigarhi excavations. No official paper on the DNA samples collected from the skeletal remains has been published. The preliminary info on its connection to the Irula tribe is mentioned by Anand rai, who is one of the researcher involved in the study, in an interview to a media house.

Yes. The Vasant Shinde paper.

Cheers, Doc
 
But steppes did have people. The kurgan culture (around 5000 BCE) The corded ware culture (around 4000 BCE), Yamanya culture (around 3500 BCE), Andronovo culture (around 2000 BCE), Sintashta culture (around 2000 BCE), BMAC (around 2300 BCE)..... These were pastoral cultures (except for may be BMAC) which revolved around domestication of the horse and horse based transport.
I am still waiting for someone to give an alternative theory as to why the highest concentration of Aryan genes to the tune of 50-60% present in central Indians and steppes people only.
 
I am still waiting for someone to give an alternative theory as to why the highest concentration of Aryan genes to the tune of 50-60% present in central Indians and steppes people only.

I really don't place much premium on this "Aryan gene". We don't have a concensus on who or what constitute an Aryan, much less know anything about their gene. "
 
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I really don't place much premium on this "Aryan gene". We don't have a concensus on who or what constitute an Aryan, much less know anything about their gene. "

I've pointed you clearly in the direction.

If you want me to take the effort, I will, once I'm off my phone.

Cheers, Doc
 
I really don't place much premium on this "Aryan gene". We don't have a concensus on who or what constitute an Aryan, much less know anything about their gene. "
OK. Let us forget Aryan Genes. Let us concentrate only on genetic similarity. It still does not expalin what I asked for. That picture does show that central Indians have same genes as the people of steppes. If we had somekind of intermixing with these original Aryans, the darkest contours should have been in the North west India. But it is clearly not the case.
 
That picture does show that central Indians have same genes as the people of steppes.

Sigh ....

No it does NOT.

The graphic is limited to the "Aryan gene" ONLY.

R1a.

Not genes or genetic makeup in general.

Please at least read the context of your line of argument.

Cheers, Doc
 
Sigh ....

No it does NOT.

The graphic is limited to the "Aryan gene" ONLY.

R1a.

Not genes or genetic makeup in general.

Please at least read the context of your line of argument.

Cheers, Doc
As I stated that let us consider it purely as genetic pool irrespective of anything else. Why is it darkest in central India and steppes only. Please explain that to me. forget about everything else. Let us not even consider it as genetic data. let us consider it as linguistic data. Does this not show that the darkest regions have commonality.
 
Does this not show that the darkest regions have commonality.

Yes it does.

On the R1a gene.

As high as 40% in some southern ASI populations.

60% in northern Tiwari and Kashmir brahmins.

And around 20% in the Iranians.

Now please read why most of the world is justifiably suspicious of the R1a and the R1a1a as "Aryan" markers.

And does the Neolithic Old Iranian farmer (from which we are descended, and whom Iranian Zoroastrians and Parsis most closely cluster to from within their resident populations) have R1a.

It is important that you read. Because the other R1a proponent has been absent for many pages now, with the discussion actually getting technical and detailed. And hence not conducive to shoot and scoot anymore.

Cheers, Doc
 
Now please read why most of the world is justifiably suspicious of the R1a and the R1a1a as "Aryan" markers.
I just fail to understand what are you arguing about. You have posted papers after papers which claim central asian genes for Aryans and you have also tried to show that Iranians are the original Aryans. You have also tried to prove that Iranians are the forefathers of Indians. But that very post with that genetic markers clearly demolish your theory. Whatever or whoever North Indians are, they are more closely related to people in central asia and steppes than Iran. SO your theory is completely defeated that Iranians are forefathers of Indians.
Let us niot even talk about the DNA strand and just talk about the people.
 
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Ok I give up man.

I'm actually reading all the papers.

While you are having an internet debate with liberal lashings of mythology.

Pandit ji angrezi mein likha hai.

Paper padho.

Cheers, Doc
 
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