Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions
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I can understand your frustration, but I would urge you not to stoop to the levels of mindless posts.
Plenty of dhimmitude here, man. Too much to accept. That's what I believe a 1000 years of subjugation has resulted in. Sometimes, I admire the Pakistanis and their forum. At least they're clear about what fits in with their ideology and what doesn't. Anyway your forum, your rules. Even if it's Narasimha Rao type action or inaction.
I would prefer us giving befitting response than choosing an easy way out of deleting the post and banning the user.
He also supported the Japanese even though they were trying to invade India themselves. If Bose had actually been successful in his support, India would have regretted it. I don't see Imperial Japanese rule being much better than British or Mughal rule.
The Cholas, the Guptas, the Ashokas?
I didn't start this off-topic. As stated before, this discussion does not belong in the Brexit thread. I have already highlighted the initiator and it is one of the same two people who screw up every thread with some back-dated complaint about British Colonialism.
The fact that you believe this is evidence of a poor education system. Hitler systematically exterminated Jews, not because they started an uprising, not because they mass-murdered nuns, not because they attacked German police, but because they were Jews. He killed 6 million of them in the space of a few years by way of gas chamber. Meanwhile India's complaint against Churchill is that 2-3 million died in the Bengal famine, which was initiated by plant disease, bad weather, the Japanese invasion of Burma, a population explosion and Indians returning en masse from Burma. Churchill could have dealt with it better perhaps, but there was a war on and he prioritised supplies to the Western Front. Meanwhile a similar number of Indians die of malnutrition every year to this day through nothing to do with Churchill, whilst India exports food and sends space vehicles to Mars in peacetime. I can't see that Churchill is any more guilty than Modi, the only difference is that Indians were stupid enough to democratically elect one of them.
I didn't, as I have stated and proven to site admin.
Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions
Indian Prime Minister Modi rechristens islands named after British colonial figures in memory of Hindu nationalist who teamed up with Hitler and the Japanese in World War Two
The butt-hurt in that article and comment section lol
Hitler have never committed genocides on a continental level. The British criminal state on the other hand committed genocides in a continental level, wiping out and occupying the natives of 2 continents completely, named Australia and North America. No nation in the human history other than Britain managed to commit genocide of native peoples and occupy the land of two entire continents.
Compared to the hundreds of millions killed by British, Hitler looks like a kid.
As I said above - evidence of a poor education system. You think all the Jews Hitler killed were in Germany? The German Jewish population was only 522,000 in 1933 and 304,000 of them fled before 1939. In order to kill 6 million, Hitler had to root-out Jews all across Europe, which is why extermination camps weren't just based in Germany. Secondly, a genocide is a deliberate attempt to kill-off a race for no reason. It is not defined as a large number of people being killed after an uprising, or a civil war, or a non-engineered famine.
History of the Jews in Germany - Wikipedia
Neither Native Americans nor Aborigines were wiped out, secondly there were more than British migrants in North America, thirdly Native Americans and Aborigines were guilty of their own share of mass-murders.
List of Indian massacres - Wikipedia
There were not hundreds of millions killed by the British. Most massacre deaths during British colonial rule in India were the result of sectarian violence between Hindus, Sikh and Muslims. Much of this was present both before and after British rule. These are all verifiable facts.
List of massacres in India - Wikipedia
Hence why I say your education system sucks. I also say that this has nothing to do with Brexit, since no genocides or mass-murders have occurred... yet. Well... except those perpetrated by folk from your neck of the woods of course.
Hitler had less than 11 years to commit his crimes (arrived to power in 1933, capitulation of Nazi Germany in 1944), while the colonial British empire had three centuries to ravage the Americas, Africa, and Asia. So any comparison isn't going to be meaningful. A history of industrial genocide (based on concentration camps) starts with the Americans, who used such things against the Navajo, the Cherokee, and other native people since the 1830s, then by the Spanish in Cuba in the 1870s, then again by the Americans in the Philippines and simultaneous by the British during the Boer Wars at the turn of the century, then soon after the Germans copied it from the British and used it against the Herero and Namaqua.
Hitler's main innovation was using gas chambers to accelerate instead of just letting people die of abuse, exhaustion, hunger, thirst, illness, untreated wounds, and exposure. Also he built them on European soil instead of in colonial lands far away from developed cities. Another thing that shouldn't be forgotten about Hitler's crime is that he didn't genocide just the Jews, he also killed about as many other people in concentration camps; some for their ethnicity (Roms and Poles mostly), some for political reasons (resistants, communists, and other opponents of the Nazi), and some for eugenist reasons (mentally handicapped people, homosexuals). When you don't forget victims, you arrive to at least eleven millions people dying in Nazi camps.
"Your honor, of course I should get off scot-free for having murdered this person: her brother did commit fratricide, so clearly it's a family where murder is okay."
Hitler's main innovation was using gas chambers to accelerate instead of just letting people die of abuse, exhaustion, hunger, thirst, illness, untreated wounds, and exposure. Also he built them on European soil instead of in colonial lands far away from developed cities. Another thing that shouldn't be forgotten about Hitler's crime is that he didn't genocide just the Jews, he also killed about as many other people in concentration camps; some for their ethnicity (Roms and Poles mostly), some for political reasons (resistants, communists, and other opponents of the Nazi), and some for eugenist reasons (mentally handicapped people, homosexuals). When you don't forget victims, you arrive to at least eleven millions people dying in Nazi camps.
This is a disingenuous argument; no culture is innately immune to war and crime.
"Your honor, of course I should get off scot-free for having murdered this person: her brother did commit fratricide, so clearly it's a family where murder is okay."
The number of peoples Hitler claimed to have killed is highly exaggerated as a part of war propaganda by allied powers, re imposed by a blanket ban on any study that shows otherwise.
Again, it still doesn't change the fact that no country in the modern human history managed to massacre the natives of two whole continents and occupy their land In a most brutal way other than the British criminals.
1)Picture of Britits with chopped heads of natives of newziland.
2)Picture of native Australians captured and put in chains by the British invaders.
Ah, here we go, holocaust denial.
The Holocaust - Wikipedia
What continents did Britain massacre the entire native population of? Native Americans are still alive and well in North America and Aborigines are still alive and well in Australia. You are also confusing the suppression of an uprising with a genocide.
1) Now you're trying to falsify history. Those heads were collected by the Maori headhunting tribe in New Zealand.
Headhunting - Wikipedia
H.G. Robley with his mokomokaicollection
Headhunting - Wikipedia
Seems to me that the British actually stopped the headhunting.
2) They were from the Dindu tribe. This still happens today due to the need to retain public order.
Ah, here we go, holocaust denial.
The Holocaust - Wikipedia
What continents did Britain massacre the entire native population of? Native Americans are still alive and well in North America and Aborigines are still alive and well in Australia. You are also confusing the suppression of an uprising with a genocide.
1) Now you're trying to falsify history. Those heads were collected by the Maori headhunting tribe in New Zealand.
Headhunting - Wikipedia
H.G. Robley with his mokomokaicollection
Headhunting - Wikipedia
Seems to me that the British actually stopped the headhunting.
2) They were from the Dindu tribe. This still happens today due to the need to retain public order.
Continent of Australia and North America.The genocide of natives of North America and Australia is the largest occupation and genocide in modern human history where the British criminals occupied two continents and stole the native land. The the claim of no genocide taken place since few Aboriginals and Native Americans managed to survive is as stupid as the claim that there is no attack on Jews in Germany since few German Jews managed to survive.
Indeed. The link I've given above suggests up to 17 million in total for Hitler.
With all respect, I think that's the argument being practiced by the Indians here. I rarely bring up these arguments, it's always them that bring it up and yet mention nothing of their own transgressions. Yes, oppression is wrong but then, without aggressive territorial acquisition we wouldn't have countries. My only quibble is that the Indians on this forum are hypocrites for complaining since they had some 20 centuries of imperial oppression of others prior to the British Empire, yet speak as if they have a completely clean sheet on such matters.
It isn't the largest genocide, or even close. Even if every single person in North America and Australia pre-British settlement was killed, which they weren't, it still wouldn't even come close to Hitler, Mao or Stalin. There simply weren't enough people living there for it to be possible.
Show me evidence of Jewish massacres of Germans like those below.
List of Indian massacres - Wikipedia
This is where your argument falls down, you don't understand the nature of a genocide and have no grasp on the figures. A poor education system is to blame.
Given that one of those continents later landed on the moon, I would argue that humanity is better off for it overall. And please tell me how WWII ends if it weren't for British colonisation and the creation of the US. The answer is that it ends with Hitler occupying Europe and Japan occupying Asia, including India. So despite your qualms with the BE and your worship of Bose, the truth of the matter is that your independence is down to the former not the latter ironically.
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