Hey, I think I have to rethink my position on HAL now.
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I agree. One for UAVs, UCAVs and other fixed wings. One for rotary wing. One for fighter jets. But I suppose this will require quite a bit of new funding in order to separate all the infrastructure.
OTOH, if HAL reduces itself to only an integrator and privatises manufacturing as a whole, it would be much better.
ADA should remain independent. It's under DoD after all.
Aeronautical Development Agency
We will talk about it when it happens.
As per HAL's own admission, they don't have to worry about working capital until next FY. They borrowed money only to pay salaries.
Sturucture already exists:
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https://hal-india.co.in/Joint Venture Companies/M__29
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That's why I wrote it ought to change. Show me one defence agency into R&D purely independent of a manufacturing set up. Take the case of any Aircraft Manufacturer across the world. Aren't a great deal of the problems we're facing with the LCA on account of the fact that the developer and the lead integrator are 2 separate entities, without getting into the reasons why ADA was formed and functioned the way it did all this while.
What's the guarantee we won't be facing such a situation with forthcoming programs like the UCAV, AMCA etc ( given that HAL won't be the lead integrator for AMCA, as per current reports) ?
Are you kidding?
“Our cash in hand is in the negative, we’ve had to borrow close to Rs 1,000 crore as an overdraft (OD). By March 31, we’ll have minus of Rs 6,000 crore, which becomes unsustainable. We can borrow for day-to-day work, but not for project purchases.”
Do you understand what working capital is? It's not capital for day to day salaries, its capital for day to day operations?
The important questions still remains:
Precedence?
15000 cr Dividend/buy back?
Withholding HAL dues but clearing Dassult?
Interest cost?
The current DM is not even fit for leading textile ministry let alone defense , i.e. if this truly is eff-up and not by design.
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Does DARPA have reservation? Freaking idiots have reservation in a research organisation. No wonder it will always be an organisation which is a fat lady and never a lethal machine.
I was referring to ADA. Further, there are a lot of laboratories under DRDO which can or ought to be amalgamated with OFB, other DPSU's, etc.
DARPA is into cutting edge stuff. Similar stuff having been identified, one should ensure that all such labs under DRDO continue in the same mode.OTOH , Do Tell me how does one justify ARDE and other such labs being independent research agencies in this day & age.
Wasn't there a report saying that each of these division should be independent and do away with the present central HAL Board?
They have money for projects until next FY. And before that they will get 14,000Cr. We can talk about it in April because that's when HAL will actually be in trouble.
As I said, payment obligations for Dassult met, HAL delivered goods and services languishing for 1.5 years.
If anything DM should resign .
The worst idea ever. What you are saying is ADA should develop a jet, and then the production company associated with ADA will get direct control over production without any competition. Hence a monopoly.
In the current system, ADA will develop a jet and production companies have to compete to become the lead integrator.
If R&D companies get linked to a manufacturing company, then competition ends. That's what's happened to the US, with LM swallowing up everything because one company controls both R&D and production. LM is buying off US Generals. US Generals work for projects run by LM from the govt's side, and upon retirement they are recruited by LM. What happens in between is anybody's guess.
Our system is better in that respect since R&D is directly under MoD control under a DARPA like setup. What we need now is multiple teams within ADA competing with different designs, like they do in China. I think they are doing something like that, but not as much as China.
DRDO will slowly get pushed into cutting edge stuff while private industry will swallow up the rest. This will take time, but it's where DRDO is headed towards. For example, the FICV and FRCV will be headed by private companies with DRDO being reduced to a development partner.
That's how it works. It's pretty normal. What HAL is doing is washing dirty linen in public.
I think pretty much at end of the day - what ever the Setup is - Everyone wants Decisive Decision Making with Structure Performance and Delivery (Yes I know - im asking for too much
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Given the new coming to light, Yes ; you are asking for too much.I think pretty much at end of the day - what ever the Setup is - Everyone wants Decisive Decision Making with Structure Performance and Delivery (Yes I know - im asking for too much
When the setup is not paid by the MoD for it's dues, where the hell will it develop systems from?
this hopefully should open the pandora's box for LCA's dismal development rate; If PSU was treated this way; god know what MOD did to ADA.
The reservation is fine in this case.
The only real relaxation is the age limit, which is 28 for General, 31 for OBC and 33 for SC/ST. And in the personal interview round where they have to score 60% versus 70% for General. In terms of actual knowledge, it's the same for all categories. Everything else is the same, like 60% in your degree and your GATE score.
You won't find it. Because DPSUs do not really wash dirty linen in public.
As I said, it will become a problem only next FY. Let's talk about it when it actually becomes a problem. Right now, it's all just politics.