Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

It's not revisionism. India had many empires and invaded and looted many countries before Britain invaded one single country. Britain was pillaged for the entire 1st millennium AD and beyond. These are all cast iron facts whether you like it or not.
Going by your logic. Germany was invaded by many nations throughout its history , wasn't unified until late 19 th century, lost out in its attempts to raise an empire overseas. Hence it began one nearer home. Everything that followed was merely business at usual. Isn't it?
 
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Going by your logic. Germany was invaded by many nations throughout its history , wasn't unified until late 19 th century, lost out in its attempts to raise an empire overseas. Hence it began one nearer home. Everything that followed was merely business at usual. Isn't it?
Germany did have overseas colonies in the 19th and 20th century and Germany (Saxons) was one of the countries who invaded and looted Britain during that 1,000 years I mentioned. The gripe with the Germans is that the Nazis deliberately rounded up and gassed 6 million people for no reason other than ethnicity. Not because they were even unruly or rebelling, just because of ethnicity. They also started two large and completely fruitless wars in Europe causing over 100 million deaths in total.
 
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Wow, £100bn over 12 years. Membership of the EU would cost us £132bn in the same time period and Scotland will cost us roughly the same, ditto for NI and foreign aid.

The study commissioned by the People's Vote, which wants a second referendum...
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I just had a study commissioned by my backside. It said we will be £20tr better off.
 
Wow, £100bn over 12 years. Membership of the EU would cost us £132bn in the same time period and Scotland will cost us roughly the same, ditto for NI and foreign aid.


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I just had a study commissioned by my backside. It said we will be £20tr better off.

You seem to be talking and typing out of your backside. You didnt even read the article.
Retard - if you did you wouldnt be talking out of your anus.
 
You seem to be talking and typing out of your backside. You didnt even read the article.
Retard - if you did you wouldnt be talking out of your anus.
These predictions are all BS. They assume we lose trade but gain no trade and fail to account for the difference between GDP and actual HMRC revenue. Just suppose in a no deal scenario we save £11bn/year and replace most EU imports with domestic items or cheaper non-EU alternatives and collect a few £bn in tariffs on remaining EU imports. Then GDP could rise by £100bn. Both of these outcomes are possible but at the moment they are just supposition and assumption. Although I would argue that no deal gives us the freedom to at least try obtain a better outcome, whereas this dog-poo deal does not.
 
What it does seem to suggest is that the risk differential between this crap deal and no deal is only 1.6%.

Lets agree on 1 thing mate.
Its united the whole country. This is the sh1ttest deal ever.
Brexiteers hate it,
Remainers hate it,
Tories hate it,
Labour hates it,
Liberals hate it

In fact apart from those that want to brown nose her - nobody likes this deal.
Well done Theresa in uniting the country. ;)
 
Lets agree on 1 thing mate.
Its united the whole country. This is the sh1ttest deal ever.
Brexiteers hate it,
Remainers hate it,
Tories hate it,
Labour hates it,
Liberals hate it

In fact apart from those that want to brown nose her - nobody likes this deal.
Well done Theresa in uniting the country. ;)
Well the way I see it, either you want to stick with the EU or you want to try and achieve and achieve something better accepting the added risk that it brings. This deal makes 80% of the risk reality whilst not allowing us to even try achieve something better. If it was a doctor operating to save a leg, this deal would be chopping 4/5ths of the leg off first and then operating. Safe to say that the patient does not give much of a shit about the remaining 1/5th either way.
 
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Well the way I see it, either you want to stick with the EU or you want to try and achieve and achieve something better accepting the added risk that it brings. This deal makes 80% of the risk reality whilst not allowing us to even try achieve something better. If it was a doctor operating to save a leg, this deal would be chopping 4/5ths of the leg off first and then operating. Safe to say that the patient does not give much of a shit about the remaining 1/5th either way.
Brexiteers would rather kill the country than have any deal. Chronic hurt will occur if a hard deal or no deal - reminds me of the story of king Solomon and the baby .....Chapter 30: King Solomon
 
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Brexiteers would rather kill the country than have any deal. Chronic hurt will occur if a hard deal or no deal - reminds me of the story of king Solomon and the baby .....Chapter 30: King Solomon
I don't necessarily see it that way. There will be far more change but the end result could be a lot better. There are a lot of imports we can replace domestically and we can use the tariffs collected to foster the businesses doing that.
 
I don't necessarily see it that way. There will be far more change but the end result could be a lot better. There are a lot of imports we can replace domestically and we can use the tariffs collected to foster the businesses doing that.

If the forecasts were from the odd source then one can understand - even staunch Brexiteers are realising their philosophy and predictions are flawed and inaccurate. The nation will be poorer and no one voted for that........

UK significantly worse off under all Brexit scenarios - official forecast
 
If the forecasts were from the odd source then one can understand - even staunch Brexiteers are realising their philosophy and predictions are flawed and inaccurate. The nation will be poorer and no one voted for that........

UK significantly worse off under all Brexit scenarios - official forecast
It depends on whether you believe in Britain or not at the end of the day. If you believe we are capable of domestically producing goods to replace EU imports, then you will believe we can make no deal work. If you do not believe in British capability, then you will not believe that no deal can work.

And FFS, they can't even reliably get the weather forecast right for the next 24 hours, yet you're paying heed to ludicrously complicated projections about how the economy will perform 20 years from now under various scenarios. If they could really do that, these silly f*ckers would win the lottery every single week with ease.
 
That’s speculative - I personally don’t think Britain will recover. These chumps have taken the country down a cul de sac and it’s inevitable the public will be poorer.
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It's speculative thinking that it'll be doom-and-gloom.

When you look at the logic of why Britain pays £11bn net per year to the EU it doesn't stack up. Under WTO trading, assuming all exports continued, the EU would pay us £11bn net per year. So the deal was never fair, we never had enough exports for it to be worth it. It's a cockeyed balance of payments with no justification that has never been rationalised.

What the rejection of May's deal does prove though, is that it was never just about racism and xenophobia for Leavers, since May's deal provides the same border control powers as no deal.