Modifying RF missile to IIR requires time and need all test done.
A BVR also need integration will radar to provide mid course guidance, so it's complicated .
If we start now, we can get them in service only around 2031.
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A BVR also need integration will radar to provide mid course guidance, so it's complicated .
If we start now, we can get them in service only around 2031.
Imo, the seeker algos can be derived from the work already done for ASAT/BMD and Nag, even DCMAWS for that matter. But the IAF is taking its time.
They have recently acquired more R-27TEs to replace older stocks of that missile so Astra IR may not be a priority atm.
Faaz seems to have an air inlet.
I declare this RAM jet missile same as Meteor.
This is AI enhanced screenshot from the video.
Rear view.
Can be a cable runner , too big for that
I declare this RAM jet missile same as Meteor.
This is AI enhanced screenshot from the video.
Rear view.
Can be a cable runner , too big for that
I hope this is sarcasm .
Jokes aside , IT DOES NOT HAVE AN INLET . RAMJETS ARE STILL A VERY NICHE AND HARD TECH FOR US .
The tab at the back is possibly an antenna for Comms/Datalink like this one , Also the image is AI enhanced so..
Now go and see the original video(not AI enhanced ) and compare side of "indigenous" faaz and PL-12AE. Specially a thin rectangular thing on PL12.
Don't wanna shame, but why did not you actually searched for it.
Like how air intake missile works, how ramjet intakes work, aerodynamic around it.
Offtopic but IAF never claimed that no aircraft was lost. They said that "all pilot involved in op sindoor are safe"
As a fellow defence enthusiast i would bot recommend you to be active in PDF at all.
That is a shame on a forum. In that forum, almost none do research on their own.
People there Just spit whatever comes to mouth, without ever thinking of the rationality of that statement
Like oscar said that PAF/PA has neutralized atleast 50% of brahmos so that all flew to Afghanistan which is currently impossible(becauseof INS), china and usa can not even do that to a quad copter with old INS let alone a mach 2.5 missile with extremely advance INS.
Don't wanna involve op sindoor, but just a friendly remainder that talking to prople of PDF will only decrease the thinking ability.
That forum is just a chai-buscuit forum for old people and not actually a defence forum.
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There is a reason majority of young members like me dont use it after a year or so . PDF doesnt have quality content anymore , it used to but majority of the good members left after the initial site went down .Offtopic but IAF never claimed that no aircraft was lost. They said that "all pilot involved in op sindoor are safe"
As a fellow defence enthusiast i would bot recommend you to be active in PDF at all.
That is a shame on a forum. In that forum, almost none do research on their own.
People there Just spit whatever comes to mouth, without ever thinking of the rationality of that statement
Like oscar said that PAF/PA has neutralized atleast 50% of brahmos so that all flew to Afghanistan which is currently impossible(becauseof INS), china and usa can not even do that to a quad copter with old INS let alone a mach 2.5 missile with extremely advance INS.
Don't wanna involve op sindoor, but just a friendly remainder that talking to prople of PDF will only decrease the thinking ability.
That forum is just a chai-buscuit forum for old people and not actually a defence forum.
, majority of the members are now uncles who dont have anything to do (legit ask their ages and you will know) .
"chai-buscuit forum for old people and not actually a defence forum."
We can say this about every other Brown forum tbh . Trolling and spewing racist BS is a norm .
I made an account here cuz it had more technical information tho this forum still has members who ten to show thier insecurities and arrogance . Kher
Yes, the cable runners are there on almost all missiles. But the one on FAAZ is too big .
Here's a side view
However upon looking further and as suggested by some over here . Protruding cable runner and that continuing to the back is also the situation on AIM 120,and thats not a RAM jet.
Shut up you... i am writing this comment while having my chai biscuits. I am 50 plus.
Thats a racist comment from you. My chai biscuits are well offended.
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Thats exactly why I came here. Good example you showed there
Ok...now I don't think this is an air intake. A rather large cable runner.
But I will still pedal the idea on social media. Because why not
Just watch me turning FAAZ into a Meteor competitor
.On a serious note, can anyone identify coms antennas or Proximity fuse on FAAZ ?
Trolling is pretty normal in a forum, go to anyforum from chinease to turkish or americans.
It's bad obviously, but nothing is perfect.
A Trolling and hate between people who fight regularly in a defence forum is obvious as for them it's also very emotional thing.
Specially in india pakistan where divided is extremely ideological (like USA v/s USSR) and not just territorial issues.
Like i learned a thing or two on Other forum about propulsion of ships and subamrines, how important they are and concept of rafting(i only knew little Previously) and how important they are for ASW.
Previously i only used to look at sensor and VLS count of ships but now i also look for propulsion, compartment of zones, noise level, ESM suite, endurance and diving deep into sensor suits.
I Previously used to think that kamorta class corvette is bad, but after learning all this, now kamorta looks more potent than any other ship in IN for ASW.
I also vent out but try not to do on people who have not done anything bad.
And most people here have a prejudice about pakistani thanks to PDF(and obviously an ideological hatered ).
This was shown in the new PAF Video .
Not a ALCM , More likely a LM .
Based on the Arrow - whose dmodel was shown earlier .
Not a ALCM , More likely a LM .
Based on the Arrow - whose dmodel was shown earlier .
Does PAF own the assembly line? 21st airframe ready means it can screwdriver maybe 50/year i guess?
On a side note, wars are going to get even more intense in 21st century due to democratisation of long range systems which had stopped after world war-2 due to emphasis on human lives. Then people had to pilot thousands of planes to fly far away, and do their missions in which a lot of them would not be coming back. This had ended leaving only advanced nations capable of replacing this tactic with drones/missiles.
Now the niche is gone and replaced with these OWAs.
The first line sounds cope tbh .
The vid is from NASTAP , as the initial design and models were first seen there .There is no Chinese or Turkish design .
Wdym by "screwdriver" , Its literally an original IP .
Again, do you guys genuinely think you can pull it off on your own? What next? Somalia claiming they can make UFOs?
I do not want to re-post the long paragraphs discussing the economic depth and STEM capabilities of pak again and again, but it would be better if you can try convince us how do you guys with an economy smaller than Delhi, perpetually running a IMF-beg-borrow-repeat scheme, with industrial capabilities limited to stitching undergarments to be exported under EU's GSP+ quota given to least developed countries, can churn up stuff in no time that major powers take years if not decades to master?
It took us ~20 years to get our own RF seeker, SATNAV, INS, synthetic fuel for the ramjet, our own ramjet (although separate from the 3D55), our own 1st stage solid grain rocket stage and actuators etc to be embedded in our BrahMos. It literally used to be a P-800 Onyx screwdrivered in India 2 decades back, now every major imported component except the 3D55 is replaced.
What an appalling lack of empathy you have. Do you have any clue how hard it is to stitch underwear for goras for those who are the product of an inbr3d union ? I don't but I can only imagine. Must be a rather difficult task to run such an advanced industry of underwear production let alone assemble Chinese designed missiles. But still they are trying. We should admire their drive.Again, do you guys genuinely think you can pull it off on your own? What next? Somalia claiming they can make UFOs?
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I do not want to re-post the long paragraphs discussing the economic depth and STEM capabilities of pak again and again, but it would be better if you can try convince us how do you guys with an economy smaller than Delhi, perpetually running a IMF-beg-borrow-repeat scheme, with industrial capabilities limited to stitching undergarments to be exported under EU's GSP+ quota given to least developed countries, can churn up stuff in no time that major powers take years if not decades to master?
It took us ~20 years to get our own RF seeker, SATNAV, INS, synthetic fuel for the ramjet, our own ramjet (although separate from the 3D55), our own 1st stage solid grain rocket stage and actuators etc to be embedded in our BrahMos. It literally used to be a P-800 Onyx screwdrivered in India 2 decades back, now every major imported component except the 3D55 is replaced.
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Again, do you guys genuinely think you can pull it off on your own? What next? Somalia claiming they can make UFOs?
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I do not want to re-post the long paragraphs discussing the economic depth and STEM capabilities of pak again and again, but it would be better if you can try convince us how do you guys with an economy smaller than Delhi, perpetually running a IMF-beg-borrow-repeat scheme, with industrial capabilities limited to stitching undergarments to be exported under EU's GSP+ quota given to least developed countries, can churn up stuff in no time that major powers take years if not decades to master?
It took us ~20 years to get our own RF seeker, SATNAV, INS, synthetic fuel for the ramjet, our own ramjet (although separate from the 3D55), our own 1st stage solid grain rocket stage and actuators etc to be embedded in our BrahMos. It literally used to be a P-800 Onyx screwdrivered in India 2 decades back, now every major imported component except the 3D55 is replaced.
I knew it had to have been a repainted Chinese product end of the day but didn't know which one, thanks for the find!
JY230高亚声速无人靶机-星网宇达官网
JY-230型靶机是一款具有机动能力的隐身靶机，具有北斗/惯性组合导航精确航路控制、自适应小航路勾径控制、多机协同飞行控制、水平及高低大机动等飞行能力，可选装导引头模拟器、干扰机、诱饵弹、箔条弹、龙伯...
www.starneto.com
So it's a high-subsonic target drone. Max weight of 130 kg and 'payload' of 20 kg. 65 minute battery life.
It's being sold online by Chinese e-commerce sites with minimum order quantity of 50 units:
JY230高亚声速无人靶机陆用型、海用型__河北飞镖网
Folks online were comparing it to JASSM which weighs over 1 ton with nearly half-ton payload capacity
You found the tweet huh lolAgain, do you guys genuinely think you can pull it off on your own? What next? Somalia claiming they can make UFOs?
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I do not want to re-post the long paragraphs discussing the economic depth and STEM capabilities of pak again and again, but it would be better if you can try convince us how do you guys with an economy smaller than Delhi, perpetually running a IMF-beg-borrow-repeat scheme, with industrial capabilities limited to stitching undergarments to be exported under EU's GSP+ quota given to least developed countries, can churn up stuff in no time that major powers take years if not decades to master?
It took us ~20 years to get our own RF seeker, SATNAV, INS, synthetic fuel for the ramjet, our own ramjet (although separate from the 3D55), our own 1st stage solid grain rocket stage and actuators etc to be embedded in our BrahMos. It literally used to be a P-800 Onyx screwdrivered in India 2 decades back, now every major imported component except the 3D55 is replaced.
Ngl its a first for me too , to find its copied design from a target drone .
Kher still a threat
Only the fanboys were , JASSM is another league altogether .I knew it had to have been a repainted Chinese product end of the day but didn't know which one, thanks for the find!
JY230高亚声速无人靶机-星网宇达官网
JY-230型靶机是一款具有机动能力的隐身靶机，具有北斗/惯性组合导航精确航路控制、自适应小航路勾径控制、多机协同飞行控制、水平及高低大机动等飞行能力，可选装导引头模拟器、干扰机、诱饵弹、箔条弹、龙伯...www.starneto.com
So it's a high-subsonic target drone. Max weight of 130 kg and 'payload' of 20 kg. 65 minute battery life.
It's being sold online by Chinese e-commerce sites with minimum order quantity of 50 units:
JY230高亚声速无人靶机陆用型、海用型__河北飞镖网
www.hebeifeibiao.com
Folks online were comparing it to JASSM which weighs over 1 ton with nearly half-ton payload capacity
Tho the "arrow" is visibly vigger then the chinese one , maybe More range and payload?
There are several target drones in that family. JY-260 is slightly bigger:
JY260高亚声速无人靶机陆用型、海用型__河北飞镖网
190 kg weight, 35 kg payload.
Arrow-1 is a localized version of these models, don't know for sure which variant in specific.