Foreign intelligence's activities in India discussion thread

[jetray]

There were pizza's and food being offered from abroad for the protestors this also means that reel creators may have also got monetary benefits via gifts and digital tips and also brand sponsoring as a disguise to spread the movement.

we have become such a cheap country that if somebody sponsors pizza or chai we will throw stones but will do nothing on our own volition even if the govt is rank corrupt.
seriously intel agencies in the west must be laughing their *censored* off, if they can influence ppl in India for such little or no money.

 

[RationalGuy]

we have become such a cheap country that if somebody sponsors pizza or chai we will throw stones but will do nothing on our own volition even if the govt is rank corrupt.
seriously intel agencies in the west must be laughing their *censored* off, if they can influence ppl in India for such little or no money.

Someone said "sar ban Western social media sar"

Even though he used chrome to get on this site. I mean, west doesn't even need to laugh we need to laugh on ourselves to get our senses back.

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Yea not gonna happen.

India has not even self produced a chip below 90 nm. It has no domestic capability for building server racks and hardware used in data centers and neither will it have it for the next 5 years at least.

We will ban Western apps, and then use Western hardware to house whatever sh*t we build. Like really? And you think West will just sit and watch?

This is also not considering VPNs which even the CCP whose technical prowess in this area is 1000x times more sophisticated and complex than Indias cannot fully block. Scores of Chinese can access Instagram YouTube and other sites through VPNs. China has managed to block many VPNs and yet some still evade their reach.

We will need to custom develop our smartphones with a customized version of Android with a customized play store which wont have those apps. This will take years (likely 15 years for a full switch). And if Apple doesnt agree to this app ban then we will have to literally ban iPhone sales in India (well you can say goodbye to iPhone production in India).

FYI: the current events show how powerful social media can be to discipline a government when it screws up. Kids committed suicide because of this NEET 2026 paper leak (the second time it has happened within 2 years) which would have been avoidable if that jungle ape of a human who was our education minister had learned from the 2024 leaks.

If you want the gov and the system to be in control of the algorithms which dictate what the youth consumes, then first demand the government and the bureaucracy to be filled with able and competent people who don't screw up (twice).

I know India is not in a position now to replace the foreign platforms here. I'm pointing out to this loophole in our security envelope. Using FOREIGN CONTROLLED SOCIAL-MEDIA is a double-edged sword. On One hand, genuine Students/ Oppressed people can raise their voice against the mis-treatments & incompetence of their own govt. , BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, Foreign Sources with control can easily use these platforms through their Millions of DIGITAL-SLAVES IN INDIA to build up EVIL NARRATIVE & OPINIONS against a stable Governance Structure, especially in a country like INDIA where people can go down to any level for money, if any action of INDIA goes (or, they think it may go) against their interests (even if their interest is not good for INDIA). THIS IS A HUGE HUGE THREAT TO SOVEREIGNTY OF INDIA, much more than preparing against DIRECT MILITARY THREATS .
You can ignore it by laughing off , but that doesn't change the reality.

 

[batman]

Yea not gonna happen.

India has not even self produced a chip below 90 nm. It has no domestic capability for building server racks and hardware used in data centers and neither will it have it for the next 5 years at least.

We will ban Western apps, and then use Western hardware to house whatever sh*t we build. Like really? And you think West will just sit and watch?

This is also not considering VPNs which even the CCP whose technical prowess in this area is 1000x times more sophisticated and complex than Indias cannot fully block. Scores of Chinese can access Instagram YouTube and other sites through VPNs. China has managed to block many VPNs and yet some still evade their reach.

We will need to custom develop our smartphones with a customized version of Android with a customized play store which wont have those apps. This will take years (likely 15 years for a full switch). And if Apple doesnt agree to this app ban then we will have to literally ban iPhone sales in India (well you can say goodbye to iPhone production in India).

FYI: the current events show how powerful social media can be to discipline a government when it screws up. Kids committed suicide because of this NEET 2026 paper leak (the second time it has happened within 2 years) which would have been avoidable if that jungle ape of a human who was our education minister had learned from the 2024 leaks.

If you want the gov and the system to be in control of the algorithms which dictate what the youth consumes, then first demand the government and the bureaucracy to be filled with able and competent people who don't screw up (twice).

I heard it's almost impossible to download a VPN in china and one either has to leave their country to get access to the free internet for them to download a VPN or they need someone to send them an VPN application themselves.

 

[lmaoxd]

I heard it's almost impossible to download a VPN in china and one either has to leave their country to get access to the free internet for them to download a VPN or they need someone to send them an VPN application themselves.

LMAO no, its not that hard at all, the gov turns a blind eye to the vast majority of VPN users simply because they know they cant be stopped, rather they try to monitor the users as much as they can. Its not very hard to get a VPN in china

 

[RationalGuy]

I know India is not in a position now to replace the foreign platforms here. I'm pointing out to this loophole in our security envelope. Using FOREIGN CONTROLLED SOCIAL-MEDIA is a double-edged sword. On One hand, genuine Students/ Oppressed people can raise their voice against the mis-treatments & incompetence of their own govt. , BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, Foreign Sources with control can easily use these platforms through their Millions of DIGITAL-SLAVES IN INDIA to build up EVIL NARRATIVE & OPINIONS against a stable Governance Structure, especially in a country like INDIA where people can go down to any level for money, if any action of INDIA goes (or, they think it may go) against their interests (even if their interest is not good for INDIA). THIS IS A HUGE HUGE THREAT TO SOVEREIGNTY OF INDIA, much more than preparing against DIRECT MILITARY THREATS .
You can ignore it by laughing off , but that doesn't change the reality.

Its a loophole also in place because of our "esteemed" IT bandars. China has a closed ecosystem and yet it developed TikTok which took over the world by storm. So called IT superpower India could not make a single comparable app? On one hand we have startups successfully launching satellites into orbit, on the other we have these IT bandars who are not innovative at all .

If India had created even 1 popular app, the problem would have solved itself to some extent.

 

[screambowl]

we have become such a cheap country that if somebody sponsors pizza or chai we will throw stones but will do nothing on our own volition even if the govt is rank corrupt.

More concerned about these kinds of elements joining Agnikul, Skyroot and those private companies running space, electronic and defence project. Literally very cheap affairs and cheap mentality. What a shame-

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Its a loophole also in place because of our "esteemed" IT bandars. China has a closed ecosystem and yet it developed TikTok which took over the world by storm. So called IT superpower India could not make a single comparable app? On one hand we have startups successfully launching satellites into orbit, on the other we have these IT bandars who are not innovative at all .

If India had created even 1 popular app, the problem would have solved itself to some extent.

My predictions and concern become true in few hours. JUST LOOK AT IT. It is 100% foreign intervention here through social media tools. I agree with your statement regarding failure of IT professionals here. But it is not the right time JUST TO PUT BLAME , we need a SERIOUS SOLUTION & in quick time too.

 

[batman]

LMAO no, its not that hard at all, the gov turns a blind eye to the vast majority of VPN users simply because they know they cant be stopped, rather they try to monitor the users as much as they can. Its not very hard to get a VPN in china.

It's not a matter of how many who may or may not use it because it's difficult to monitor over 1.4 billion people, it's difficult for the average person to get a VPN without any outside help, Apps like google, youtube and whatsapp are blocked by default. International app stores like google play is blocked, the vpn websites themselves are blocked, you cant find them via the search engines, the govt alters DNS responses of unapproved sites, IP blocks, not to mention the commercial/popular vpn services don't work reliably.

The methods I've heard they do is either download it when they are outside their country, have friends send them one they have or access to mirror websites of VPN before they are blocked. Other methods are more for tech savy people.

 

[RationalGuy]

More concerned about these kinds of elements joining Agnikul, Skyroot and those private companies running space, electronic and defence project. Literally very cheap affairs and cheap mentality. What a shame-

My dear sir, believe me when I say that those places are not hotels in which any GenZ monkey can enter and do whatever.

Only the deserving will get a place there.

 

[jetray]

I know India is not in a position now to replace the foreign platforms here. I'm pointing out to this loophole in our security envelope. Using FOREIGN CONTROLLED SOCIAL-MEDIA is a double-edged sword. On One hand, genuine Students/ Oppressed people can raise their voice against the mis-treatments & incompetence of their own govt. , BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, Foreign Sources with control can easily use these platforms through their Millions of DIGITAL-SLAVES IN INDIA to build up EVIL NARRATIVE & OPINIONS against a stable Governance Structure, especially in a country like INDIA where people can go down to any level for money, if any action of INDIA goes (or, they think it may go) against their interests (even if their interest is not good for INDIA). THIS IS A HUGE HUGE THREAT TO SOVEREIGNTY OF INDIA, much more than preparing against DIRECT MILITARY THREATS .
You can ignore it by laughing off , but that doesn't change the reality.

As you said it is a double edged sword , even Indian govt uses it for their own purpose but it is just they are not good at it. We can certainly do what china does , ban all the media we cannot control but we are no good in creating our own media.

Second thing is that govt lacks spine to ban western companies for the fear of sanctions. We banned tik-tok but dint ban facebook. We should have done the same with facebook as well.

Not just social media any communication using foreign apps is dangerous, one of the evidence that US produced in nijjar case was a email from gmail that the accused used communicate with so called hitman.

 

[batman]

As you said it is a double edged sword , even Indian govt uses it for their own purpose but it is just they are not good at it. We can certainly do what china does , ban all the media we cannot control but we are no good in creating our own media.

Second thing is that govt lacks spine to ban western companies for the fear of sanctions. We banned tik-tok but dint ban facebook. We should have done the same with facebook as well.

Not just social media any communication using foreign apps is dangerous, one of the evidence that US produced in nijjar case was a email from gmail that the accused used communicate with so called hitman.

Banning International platforms is one of the worst moves we can make, unlike china who doesn't have an massive online community out to degrade them and have control over popular international platforms, we don't have the luxury of both.

How do you think the racism and hate against Indians online got so bad in the first place? After we banned an International platform like Tiktok, pakistani's, muslim's, chinese bots and whatever international community is against us was able spread hatred against India in these platforms, without Indians being able to counter or oppose these narratives, lies or half truths, it was a free reign for them to spread a negative narrative of Indians worldwide which influenced the narratives built on social media apps like Instagram, X etc

The amount of hard power a nation of 1.4 billion people with rise of Internet users is no small deal, using this leverage to counter lies, propaganda and hatred against Indians on global platform is not something we should avoid. If we ban these platforms over here, there won't be Indians to oppose the narratives related to war, politics, social dynamics etc within our country, so we should continue to involve ourselves in such International platforms to set the record straight whenever hatred arises from these pakistani telegram bot farms who have nothing better to do.

Just take the recent example, those *censored* in pakistan tried to claim our Indus Valley Civilization as their own in platforms like reddit and instagram, heck they even went so far back that they will call themselves as the creators of Sanskrit and Hinduism, if we banned these apps over here, they would have easily established this as the new truth and set this as the default narrative. The same community who tried to destroy our culture, religion, heritage and what not for centuries non stop cannot suddenly claim our ancient roots which we fought to protect and defend with our life and honour because they have an identity crisis or it was partitioned out of ancient Bharat, the same community who considered anyone non muslim or non arabic in culture as impure suddenly cannot go back to our roots and claim it.

Ideally we should also create a global platform like Tiktok where we can subtly influence our International image just like China did with theirs while also contributing to International platforms such that such lies and propaganda aren't being spread.

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Banning International platforms is one of the worst moves we can make, unlike china who doesn't have an massive online community out to degrade them and have control over popular international platforms, we don't have the luxury of both.

How do you think the racism and hate against Indians online got so bad in the first place? After we banned an International platform like Tiktok, pakistani's, muslim's, chinese bots and whatever international community is against us was able spread hatred against India in these platforms, without Indians being able to counter or oppose these narratives, lies or half truths, it was a free reign for them to spread a negative narrative of Indians worldwide which influenced the narratives built on social media apps like Instagram, X etc

The amount of hard power a nation of 1.4 billion people with rise of Internet users is no small deal, using this leverage to counter lies, propaganda and hatred against Indians on global platform is not something we should avoid. If we ban these platforms over here, there won't be Indians to oppose the narratives related to war, politics, social dynamics etc within our country, so we should continue to involve ourselves in such International platforms to set the record straight whenever hatred arises from these pakistani telegram bot farms who have nothing better to do.

Just take the recent example, those *censored* in pakistan tried to claim our Indus Valley Civilization as their own in platforms like reddit and instagram, heck they even went so far back that they will call themselves as the creators of Sanskrit and Hinduism, if we banned these apps over here, they would have easily established this as the new truth and set this as the default narrative. The same community who tried to destroy our culture, religion, heritage and what not for centuries non stop cannot suddenly claim our ancient roots which we fought to protect and defend with our life and honour because they have an identity crisis or it was partitioned out of ancient Bharat, the same community who considered anyone non muslim or non arabic in culture as impure suddenly cannot go back to our roots and claim it.

Ideally we should also create a global platform like Tiktok where we can subtly influence our International image just like China did with theirs while also contributing to International platforms such that such lies and propaganda aren't being spread.

Ha ha WHAT A LAME EXCUSE . Those foreign social media platforms will become worthless without INDIANS if those get completely banned. INDIANS constitute the BIGGEST UNMATCHABLE USER-BASES for them in the world (no other country come even close). Through these platforms in ONE HAND, foreign powers are making huge huge economic benefits ( in comparison to any good cause served here ) , and ON THE OTHER HAND, these foreign powers gaining authority to control SELECTIVE NARRATIVE & INFORMATION WARFARE through millions of their DIGITAL-SLAVES here in these platforms.

It is more DANGEROUS where creation of a NARRATIVE inside the country and its people happens than Creation of NARRATIVE by outsiders sitting outside the country, especially in a SOCIO-POLITICALLY vulnerable country like INDIA. The entire WEST tried so hard to create a NARRATIVE against CHINA to show them as OPPRESSOR of TIBETANS, UYGHURS, INNER-MONGOLIANS, Hong kong people etc. etc. ( which is a truth obviously ) , BUT are they anyway able to twitch/make any NARRATIVE INSIDE CHINA to manipulate their INTERNAL SOCIO-POLITICIAL stability, or, INITIATE ANY PROTEST among these oppressed sections of CHINA against their GOVT. ???? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I totally reject your lame points to support foreign platforms here. Yes, I agree we're not in a position now to replace these overnight, BUT I'LL NEVER SUPPORT ANY FOREIGN PRESENCE in our DIGITAL-SPACE ( by any means ) in Long run. And to make that happen both Govt. & People of this country need to work together from now onwards.

Otherwise we'll remain as DIGITAL - COLONY of PRESENT DAY DIGITAL - COLONIZERS.

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

As you said it is a double edged sword , even Indian govt uses it for their own purpose but it is just they are not good at it. We can certainly do what china does , ban all the media we cannot control but we are no good in creating our own media.

Second thing is that govt lacks spine to ban western companies for the fear of sanctions. We banned tik-tok but dint ban facebook. We should have done the same with facebook as well.

Not just social media any communication using foreign apps is dangerous, one of the evidence that US produced in nijjar case was a email from gmail that the accused used communicate with so called hitman.

As you know , IN A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD , the INNER EDGE WILL GIVE YOU CUT , NOT THE OUTER ONE (atleast more chances of it if not always) . So as a Country we should prioritize our internal stability first rather being pawn of foreign powers everytime trying to teach our own Governance system lessons. Yes, I agree that in a democracy there should be accountability of the Governance system towards their citizen and I support that. But to make that happen , it's not in our national interest to dance on the fingertips of Foreign powers. And I agree on your suggestions regarding building our in-house capabilities absolutely .

 

[batman]

Ha ha WHAT A LAME EXCUSE . Those foreign social media platforms will become worthless without INDIANS if those get completely banned. INDIANS constitute the BIGGEST UNMATCHABLE USER-BASES for them in the world (no other country come even close). Through these platforms in ONE HAND, foreign powers are making huge huge economic benefits ( in comparison to any good cause served here ) , and ON THE OTHER HAND, these foreign powers gaining authority to control SELECTIVE NARRATIVE & INFORMATION WARFARE through millions of their DIGITAL-SLAVES here in these platforms.

It is more DANGEROUS where creation of a NARRATIVE inside the country and its people happens than Creation of NARRATIVE by outsiders sitting outside the country, especially in a SOCIO-POLITICALLY vulnerable country like INDIA. The entire WEST tried so hard to create a NARRATIVE against CHINA to show them as OPPRESSOR of TIBETANS, UYGHURS, INNER-MONGOLIANS, Hong kong people etc. etc. ( which is a truth obviously ) , BUT are they anyway able to twitch/make any NARRATIVE INSIDE CHINA to manipulate their INTERNAL SOCIO-POLITICIAL stability, or, INITIATE ANY PROTEST among these oppressed sections of CHINA against their GOVT. ???? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I totally reject your lame points to support foreign platforms here. Yes, I agree we're not in a position now to replace these overnight, BUT I'LL NEVER SUPPORT ANY FOREIGN PRESENCE in our DIGITAL-SPACE ( by any means ) in Long run. And to make that happen both Govt. & People of this country need to work together from now onwards.

Otherwise we'll remain as DIGITAL - COLONY of PRESENT DAY DIGITAL - COLONIZERS.

Excuse? Where is the excuse here? Did you perhaps study in one of those schools where English is taught by translating it in 3 phases or have you never opened a dictionary before?

Just because of your lack of exposure to the world outside India and lack of understanding of how narratives are being built outside the country doesn't make it my fault, I can only explain things to you, I can't understand it for you.

Also, all you statement are filled with issues for example:

"Those foreign social media platforms will become worthless without INDIANS if those get completely banned"

False, Tiktok had 700-800 Monthly Active Users before it was banned in India where after the ban it grew to 1.8 - 2.0 billion MAUs which is twice to thrice the active users, if you include the Chinese Tiktok in the figure, it's close to 2.7 - 2.8 billion MAUs worldwide. To put that in perspective, it's more than the number of MAU's of youtube itself. The companies Tiktok alone revenue grew from 4-6 billion dollars before the ban to 30-40 billion dollars after the ban which is a six to eight fold increase, it grew to 186 billion dollars if we look at the companies entire revenue.

"I totally reject your lame points to support foreign platforms here."

Nobody is ordering you to support foreign platforms but just because we don't want platforms used internationally banned doesn't make someone a supporter. There are millions of Indians outside India including my friends and family, any negative narrative set within these platforms directly affects them, heck Indians are now being targeted even within these so called developed countries just for being born an Indian, so we absolutely should not let any free reign on negativity which would affect them directly and even endanger their lives. Our government could set up centre's to ban or block problematic channels or groups within these platforms to minimise it's influence if possible but we should create an Indian platform ourselves.

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Excuse? Where is the excuse here? Did you perhaps study in one of those schools where English is taught by translating it in 3 phases or have you never opened a dictionary before?

Just because of your lack of exposure to the world outside India and lack of understanding of how narratives are being built outside the country doesn't make it my fault, I can only explain things to you, I can't understand it for you.

Also, all you statement are filled with issues for example:

"Those foreign social media platforms will become worthless without INDIANS if those get completely banned"

False, Tiktok had 700-800 Monthly Active Users before it was banned in India where after the ban it grew to 1.8 - 2.0 billion MAUs which is twice to thrice the active users, if you include the Chinese Tiktok in the figure, it's close to 2.7 - 2.8 billion MAUs worldwide. To put that in perspective, it's more than the number of MAU's of youtube itself. The companies Tiktok alone revenue grew from 4-6 billion dollars before the ban to 30-40 billion dollars after the ban which is a six to eight fold increase, it grew to 186 billion dollars if we look at the companies entire revenue.

"I totally reject your lame points to support foreign platforms here."

Nobody is you to support foreign platforms but just because we don't want platforms used internationally banned doesn't make me a supporter. There are millions of Indians outside India including my friends and family, any negative narrative set within these platforms directly affects them, heck Indians are now being targeted even within these so called developed countries just for being born an Indian, so absolutely should not let any free reign on negativity which would affect them directly and even endanger their lives. Our government could set up centre's to ban or block problematic channels or groups within these platforms to minimise it's influence if possible but we should create an Indian platform ourselves.

Ha ha again manipulated data bringing in Tiktok which on ground practically has almost zero effect now in India to build any NARRATIVE.

Look at those actual platforms which create NARRATIVE inside INDIA (TILL 2026):

(1) YOUTUBE ( total user = 2.7 billion + ):
TOP users --- 1) INDIA = 518 million, 2) USA = 259 million , 3) INDONESIA = 151 Million ...

INDIA has 20 % + user base of the entire world in YOUTUBE.

(2) FACEBOOK ( total user = 3.07 billion ):

Top Users ---- 1) INDIA = 380 million, 2) USA = 195 million, 3) INDONESIA = 165 million ...

INDIA has 12% + user base of the entire world in FACEBOOK.

(3) INSTAGRAM ( total user = 3 billion ):

Top Users ------ 1) INDIA = 480 million, 2) USA = 172.6 million, 3) BRAZIL = 141.4 million...

INDIA has 16% + user base of the entire world in INSTAGRAM.

(4) WHATSAPP ( total user = 3.3 billion ):

Top Users ----- 1) INDIA = 853.8 million, 2) BRAZIL = 148 million, 3) INDONESIA = 112 million ...

INDIA has 26 % + user base of the entire world in WHATSAPP.

AND THE IRONY IS in INDIA these numbers are increasing very fast in comparison to most other large population countries. And I THINK it doesn't require you to understand the money these foreign powers are making out of it ( which increasing day by day ). So ban on this will have no impact IS AS TRUE AS SUN REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH.

 

[batman]

Ha ha again manipulated data bringing in Tiktok which on ground practically has almost zero effect now in India to build any NARRATIVE.

Listen to those actual platforms which creates NARRATIVE inside INDIA (TILL 2026):

(1) YOUTUBE ( total user = 2.7 billion + ):
TOP users --- 1) INDIA = 518 million, 2) USA = 259 million , 3) INDONESIA = 151 Million ...

INDIA has 20 % + user base of the entire world in YOUTUBE.

(2) FACEBOOK ( total user = 3.07 billion ):

Top Users ---- 1) INDIA = 380 million, 2) USA = 195 million, 3) INDONESIA = 165 million ...

INDIA has 12% + user base of the entire world in FACEBOOK.

(3) INSTAGRAM ( total user = 3 billion ):

Top Users ------ 1) INDIA = 480 million, 2) USA = 172.6 million, 3) BRAZIL = 141.4 million...

INDIA has 16% + user base of the entire world in INSTAGRAM.

(4) WHATSAPP ( total user = 3.3 billion ):

Top Users ----- 1) INDIA = 853.8 million, 2) BRAZIL = 148 million, 3) INDONESIA = 112 million ...

INDIA has 26 % + user base of the entire world in WHATSAPP.

AND THE IRONY IS in INDIA this number is increasing very fast in comparison to most other large population countries. And I THINK it doesn't require you to understand the money these foreign powers are making out of it ( which increasing day by day ). So ban on this will have no impact IS TRUE AS SUN REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH.

Literally nothing you said is a counter to my statement