Project Kusha / Programme LRSAM / PGLRSAM

[Kitsune]

Plus, just because something has ~150 km max range doesn't mean it can't take care of targets at 100, 70 or 40 kms

Ofc I know that, but my point is can a missile with a booster shoot something down at less than 30 km,
MRSAM can do that because it's a single stage missile which gives it unmatched agility at all ranges but that wouldn't be the case with Kusha M1, thanks to it's booster it's minimum engagment range would be on the higher side (certainly more than MRSAM)

It's essentially the Barak-8 vs Kusha M1 story again. AD-1 basically does everything AAD can, but it can also do much more. So carrying AD-1 gives you more options than carrying AAD, while still being able to do everything AAD was needed for.

Money my friend, money, AAD will certainly be substantially cheaper than AD-1.
NVM it has already been tested from a ship and as such is farther along its developmental cycle

 

[ShiroBarks]

M1

https://twitter.com/x/status/2080465164395249945

 

[Kitsune]

I can't wrap my head around at the fact that people weren't this excited/ curious when AD-2 was tested
Even though AD-2 is arguably a far more consequential missile than Kusha

 

[Parthu]

Ofc I know that, but my point is can a missile with a booster shoot something down at less than 30 km,

Sure it can. If target is close, the booster is just ejected early.

MASAM can do that because it's a single stage missile which gives it unmatched agility at all ranges but that wouldn't be the case with Kusha M1, thanks to it's booster it's minimum engagment range would be on the higher side (certainly more than MRSAM)

That's fine because of what I said above. Besides, VL-SRSAM has already got everything from 0.5 to about 40 or so km covered.

Most current British, French & Italian principle combatants use the Aster-15 (which has a booster) even for the point-defence role.

Money my friend, money, AAD will certainly be substantially cheaper than AD-1.
NVM it has already been tested from a ship and as such is farther along its developmental cycle
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The money argument makes sense when you have a very large fleet (60-70 destroyers) to equip, like US going for mix of SM-2 & SM-6 to save money.

But for our limited numbers (6-8 NGD at best), skimping out to save some change doesn't make the same kind of sense.

Regardless, we'll see what happens eventually.

 

[RationalGuy]

I believe the chart is from this very forum, IIRC @Fatalis made that chart

Project Kusha / Programme LRSAM / PGLRSAM

LRSAM block house in ITR is getting fixed , hope for more activity.

www.strategicfront.org

Isn't that a experimental VLS meant to be able to launch any and all type of missiles, that's why the 1m+ diameter

Most likely, but I wouldn't get my hopes high on a Naval AD-2 that thing is a monster, even at a conservative guesstimate it would be similar to pralay in size
I think P18 would carry these interceptors
• VLSRSAM (50/50)
• Barak 8 (100%)
• Kusha M1 (100%)
• Kusha M2 (100%)
• AAD (100%)
• AD-1 (50/50)
• A lightweight PDV replacement instead of AD-2 if I snort a f**k ton of hopium



Anvesh VLS is quite a bit larger than Brahmos VLS, I would say at least 50% bigger

PDV on a ship?

 

[RationalGuy]

1. Maybe you are right about Barak 8 (it will be a headache to integrate with LRMFR) But I don't think Navy will leave such a big gaping hole where your only choices are 15 km VLSRSAM or 150 km Kusha M1.
But who knows what will happen in the future, your argument makes sense too.

2. AAD and AD-1 are 2 completely different class of missile, I don't think they are comparable at all, if anything they complement each other.
AAD has a confirmed (by DRDO) max altitude of >25km
where as AD-1 has been repeatedly hailed as capable of both endo and low exo atmospheric interception (i.e max altitude - The Karman Line)
My guess would be a max altitude of 80 km.

Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme - Updates and Discussions

Not our BMD related but posting it here. Does anyone know AD2's dimensions? I wonder, if it's designed with UVLS in mind or not. 13.5" = 343 mm 21" = 533mm 27" = 685mm (around brahmos diameter, if I am not wrong)

www.strategicfront.org

AAD range - Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme - Updates and Discussions

3. I get the debilitating need of a Exo Atmospheric interceptor on P18 but AD-2 is most definitely not that interceptor, we will need a completely new PDV replacement.
I think a somewhat bigger THAAD / HQ-19 sized interceptor is the only real option
i.e a 500 - 600 mm diameter, 7-8 m length, IIR seeker 160 km altitude interceptor

I thought AD2 was exoatmospheric capable. Why can't we use that for P18?

 

[RationalGuy]

I can't wrap my head around at the fact that people weren't this excited/ curious when AD-2 was tested
Even though AD-2 is arguably a far more consequential missile than Kusha

That NIBE MLRS controversy was unearthed that time.