Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

[Bhartiya Naagrik Sainik]

Before revealing of F-47 there were many speculations of high supersonic high swept wing strike fighter.But then LM went out, otherwise it might have produced some X-jet from existing fuselage, rather than full clean-sheet design.
Imagine if F-22 Raptor married SR-72 Dark Star concept & reproduced SF-94 Dark Raptor.

 

[Bon Plan]

Americans will probably have better or equally competent algorithm and hardware tech for APG 81 as comapred to RBE-2.

"probably". It is the key word.

It remembers me another history : when France decided to built it own deterrent sub and missile, Admiral Rickover, the US specialist, said "they will never succeed" because it was a so hard task for the great USN.
But we succeed.

Good day.

 

[Optimist]

Fanboys are funny, They think the old Rafale radar is 5th gen

As to the nukes------

The US did not directly build or supply nuclear submarines to France. the US provided secret technical assistance on nuclear development in the 1970s and 1980s, allowing France to perfect its sovereign submarine programs (like the Le Redoutable-class SSBN).
Wikipedia +4


Historical Nuclear Collaboration

• Secret Assistance: According to declassified historical records, the U.S. (under the Nixon and Kissinger administrations) secretly aided the French nuclear program in the 1970s and 1980s. This assistance helped France mature its weapons and reactor technology.
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• Civilian Reactor Licensing: France licensed Westinghouse Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) technology from the U.S. for its commercial nuclear power grid. This allowed France to master uranium enrichment and reactor efficiency, indirectly benefiting its naval capabilities.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Fanboys are funny, They think the old Rafale radar is 5th gen

As to the nukes------

The US did not directly build or supply nuclear submarines to France. the US provided secret technical assistance on nuclear development in the 1970s and 1980s, allowing France to perfect its sovereign submarine programs (like the Le Redoutable-class SSBN).
Wikipedia +4


Historical Nuclear Collaboration

• Secret Assistance: According to declassified historical records, the U.S. (under the Nixon and Kissinger administrations) secretly aided the French nuclear program in the 1970s and 1980s. This assistance helped France mature its weapons and reactor technology.
  Wikipedia
  
  
• Civilian Reactor Licensing: France licensed Westinghouse Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) technology from the U.S. for its commercial nuclear power grid. This allowed France to master uranium enrichment and reactor efficiency, indirectly benefiting its naval capabilities.

So, the US first declares that we’ll never succeed, and then helps us succeed? That’s certainly credible—a perfect illustration of the US's exemplary benevolence!

 

[Bhartiya Naagrik Sainik]

No new PC but old S/w version but finally get to experiment & learn.
But this drawing i used so far for 2D edits has errors, some junction points don't match neither with real F-22 nor within the drawing's views. IDK by which tool the artist made it.
After this will be AMCA Mk1 & Mk2, 5gen TEDBF, 6gen AHCA, 5/6gen CCAs, next gen weapons, then some vehicles with wheels & tracks which are the tougher things, etc.

 

[Optimist]

So, the US first declares that we’ll never succeed, and then helps us succeed? That’s certainly credible—a perfect illustration of the US's exemplary benevolence!

All things are true, declassified records show they helped, there was a statement from the Admiral, it would be interesting to see the context of why it was said

If you are that butt hurt, you can say France helped git rid of British rule, so they owe you

Admiral Rickover, the US specialist, said "they will never succeed" AND According to declassified historical records, the U.S. (under the Nixon and Kissinger administrations) secretly aided the French nuclear program in the 1970s and 1980s. This assistance helped France mature its weapons and reactor technology.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I'll just plop this here.

Sam Acquisition 360

sam.gov

Well cut my legs & call me shorty! How is the USAF planning to fit in this beast into the IWB of the F-35 Paddy. Besides when is this wunderwaffe expected? By the end of this decade or the next or closer to 2050 ?

In which case what's the point of equipping the next generation of TFs with a 1 MW generator for DEW like the one RR is developing for GCAP, Paddy?

 

[Bon Plan]

As to the nukes------

The US did not directly build or supply nuclear submarines to France. the US provided secret technical assistance on nuclear development in the 1970s and 1980s, allowing France to perfect its sovereign submarine programs (like the Le Redoutable-class SSBN).

False. As susual with you.

-General De Gaulle would never had permit a US help, at least at the beginning.
-Le Redoutable SSBN was ordered in 1963 and launched in 1967... so no need of assistance in 70's or 80's

The sole help in the french deterrent program was a GB information (given by Sir William Cook) during the french race to thermonuclear warhead : we spare 6 months and a nuc trial, because the GB good advice was already on the french trials agenda. This advice, given in the form of a "Yes" or "No" to a question about a french researcher Carayol nuc configuration.

 

[Optimist]

let me fill in a little gap

A new window into France's nuclear history

A wave of declassification is shedding light on French nuclear weapons development, especially in Polynesia, although some gaps remain.

thebulletin.org

Before becoming one of the world’s top nonproliferation cops, France served as a global nuclear supplier. During the Cold War arms race, the French government was among those that provided Israel, India, South Africa, Iran, and Iraq with nuclear technologies. Except for possibly Iran, all these states endeavored to build nuclear weapons; so far, only Iraq has failed to do so.

French nuclear history also has important ties to the United States and its Cold War foreign policy. Despite public refusal to help the French program, the Eisenhower administration invited French officials to the Nevada Test Site and provided diagnostic instruments for use in Algeria. The Kennedy-era State Department participated in Franco-Algerian negotiations over continued French use of the test sites in the Algerian Sahara after Algerian Independence. The Johnson White House took a firmer stance, refusing further nuclear aid to France. Worried about the reliability of France’s nuclear arsenal, President Richard Nixon and his National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger secretly reversed US policy and launched unprecedented Franco-American cooperation on weapons design and safety procedures.

 

[Bon Plan]

let me fill in a little gap

A new window into France's nuclear history

A wave of declassification is shedding light on French nuclear weapons development, especially in Polynesia, although some gaps remain.

thebulletin.org

Before becoming one of the world’s top nonproliferation cops, France served as a global nuclear supplier. During the Cold War arms race, the French government was among those that provided Israel, India, South Africa, Iran, and Iraq with nuclear technologies. Except for possibly Iran, all these states endeavored to build nuclear weapons; so far, only Iraq has failed to do so.

French nuclear history also has important ties to the United States and its Cold War foreign policy. Despite public refusal to help the French program, the Eisenhower administration invited French officials to the Nevada Test Site and provided diagnostic instruments for use in Algeria. The Kennedy-era State Department participated in Franco-Algerian negotiations over continued French use of the test sites in the Algerian Sahara after Algerian Independence. The Johnson White House took a firmer stance, refusing further nuclear aid to France. Worried about the reliability of France’s nuclear arsenal, President Richard Nixon and his National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger secretly reversed US policy and launched unprecedented Franco-American cooperation on weapons design and safety procedures.

To be invited in the Nevada test site, to be provided some instruments, to discuss of safety procedure are decisiv helps ?
Reliability of the french arsenal... How many nuc incident in France? How many nuc warheads lost?

You are not serious my little kangaroo.

 

[Shan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2075524598364242184

The Turks have started sounding the Russians out about a potential sale.

 

[Optimist]

To be invited in the Nevada test site, to be provided some instruments, to discuss of safety procedure are decisiv helps ?
Reliability of the french arsenal... How many nuc incident in France? How many nuc warheads lost?

You are not serious my little kangaroo.

Did you miss this bit?
Worried about the reliability of France’s nuclear arsenal, President Richard Nixon and his National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger secretly reversed US policy and launched unprecedented Franco-American cooperation on weapons design and safety procedures.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2075524598364242184

The Turks have started sounding the Russians out about a potential sale.

Yes, I heard they were going to the ME