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Silly question but hear me out

why can't we mount the ASPJ pod in place of the LDP like the Pakistanis have done with JF-17 and free up an extra out board pylon
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The both have the same weight and roughly the same dimensions
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MK1A EW is supposed to work in conjunction with the RWR and radar, that's the whole fuss is about. The new RWR receivers are used for locating emitters and cue the jammer.

The jammer DARE developed for Su-30MKI does the same thing, instead of wasting a pylon just to receive RF (SAP518), they use DR118 to receive and on the wingtips they mount two ASPJ pods covering different bands.
 
A variant used to power the JF-17 Thunder (FC-1), having "the most significant difference being the repositioning of the gearbox along the bottom of the engine casing."[5] The Klimov poster at Zhuhai 2010 airshow gave the thrust range of the engine to be 49.4 kN to 84.4 kN wet.[6] This was designed specifically for FC-1 with increased thrust and relocated gearbox compared to base RD-33's, although the increase of thrust decreased the service life of RD-93 to 2200 hours from RD-33's 4000 hours. According to Air Commodore Mehmood engines are solid and reliable: “We’ve flown 7,000 hours with the engine and we haven’t had any problems”, he said.[7][8] The RD-93MA is an upgrade of the RD-93 engine. The thrust of the RD-93MA is expected to 9300 kgf (91,2 kN) compared to 8300 kgf of the RD-93, a significant bump-up in power which will help the jet to carry more armaments and fly at a higher speed. This has been specifically developed to power JF-17 Block III fighter jets
How is JF-17 even relevant to LCA Tejas?
 
LCA is just a guinea pig for our fledgling aeronautical building experience. Instead of tacking on all sorts of bells & whistles to it, should produce few batches for mig 21 shortfall and move onto AMCA with the experience we have gained from it. LCA is a glorified point defense fighter why the hell are even spending so much time on it ?
 
What is the current situation with the Mk1A engines? Because sometimes the Tejas Mk1A halfheartedly seems like a semi dead program, sure we can develop most of the other related components on our own now but without an engine of our own or a reliable supplier, america controls how many jets we can make. The GE F414 deal seems to be going nowhere as of now and without a reliable supply of it, how long till we can induct a reliable number of it? Since induction can be from as early as 2028 to 2030, how long till we produce a meaningful number to make a difference for Tejas Mk2 or MK1A atleast.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a hater. just concerned over some of the potential problems we are and could face in future and hope we can do something to make sure we can built a good squadron of Tejas for our Airforce.

If we had perfected the Kaveri with reduced weight and new afterburner, we could potentially scale up the order of Tejas and make a Tejas Mk1b which uses the kaveri engine hopefully, (Although I prefer a more aesthetic intake if we did so)

Since the kaveri is an uprated engine and has similar thrust to the GE F404-GE-IN20 engine used in the Tejas,

If we use the Breguet Range Equation simplified for Aircrafts:

Range = (Cruise Speed/Thrust Specific Fuel Consumption in dry mode) x (Lift to Drag Ratio) x Natural Logarithm(Initial Gross Weight of aircraft/Final Weight after fuel is burned)
If we input the values, V = 900km/hr, L/D = 13, Fuel Mass = 2458Kg, W_initial(GEF404) = 13500Kg, W_Final(GE404) = 13500-2458 = 11042kg & W_Initial(Kaveri) = 13600kg and W_Final(Kaveri) = 11142Kg, TSFC(GE F404) = 0.77 kg/kgf·hr and TSFC(Kaveri) = 0.824 kg/kgf·hr.

So for GE F404-IN20 Engine, we get: Range = (900/0.77) x 13 x ln(13500/11042) = 3053.9km

and for Kaveri Engine, we get a: Range = (900/0.824) x 13 x ln(13600/11142) = 2830.5km

Although this is the max theoretical range under ideal conditions, to find the real world range, we would have to apply a correction factor usually seen in typical hi-lo-hi profile mission with fully loaded weapons, the correction factor could range from 0.14 - 0.18 (0.15 most common) . So to calculate

Real Combat Range = Theoretical Range x Correction Factor,

So for Tejas with GE F404, Combat Radius = 3053.9Km x 0.15 = 458.085km

and for Tejas with Kaveri, Combat Radius = 2830.5km x 0.15 = 424.575km

This makes the difference in combat radius between both being 33.5km or an efficiency difference of roughly 7% which isn't a major difference. Although these are just general estimates by me cause some values can differ and change the range, it makes sense why we can use the current kaveri or a further upgraded lightweight one using Blisk in the low and high pressure stages and maybe materials with better strength to weight ratios for greater performance and range. Not to mention with external tanks, we can significantly increase the range of the jet during operation.

The Kaveri program should be treated with absolute importance for self dependency of our country and to boost our aviation Industry.
Am sorry but where did you get the 0.15 figure cause i did not find any source for that or atleast something that i know of , combat radius is dependent combat alllowance ( 5 min at full dry plus some a/b) , take off allowance abt 200 kg, diversion to a base 80 nm away and also 2 overshoots then land .
The breguet equation also assumes a well designed aircraft with normal parameter meaning when the aircraft has typical aerodynamic and propulsion characteristics and tejas mk1 aint aerodynamically or structurally optimized enough for he Breguet equation , mk1A barely meets the well optimized design due to the reduction of weight.
So probably the combat radius would be below the figure you found
 
LCA is just a guinea pig for our fledgling aeronautical building experience. Instead of tacking on all sorts of bells & whistles to it, should produce few batches for mig 21 shortfall and move onto AMCA with the experience we have gained from it. LCA is a glorified point defense fighter why the hell are even spending so much time on it ?
Asper Dhanoa, LCA was inferior to Mig21 in 2019.
how is it better? making such vague statement is just laughable. we can counter every statement he makes to back his claim.
In 2019,He was knowing more about to LCA tejas & its capability than any of the blind supporters of LCA out here.
 
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Asper Dhanoa, LCA was inferior to Mig21 in 2019.

In 2019,He was knowing more about to LCA tejas & its capability than any of the blind supporters of LCA out here.
All the statements he made are vague and can easily be countered with facts.

These superficial, high level statements are made with the avg janta consumption in mind, not for the learned ones.
 
Am sorry but where did you get the 0.15 figure cause i did not find any source for that or atleast something that i know of , combat radius is dependent combat alllowance ( 5 min at full dry plus some a/b) , take off allowance abt 200 kg, diversion to a base 80 nm away and also 2 overshoots then land .
The breguet equation also assumes a well designed aircraft with normal parameter meaning when the aircraft has typical aerodynamic and propulsion characteristics and tejas mk1 aint aerodynamically or structurally optimized enough for he Breguet equation , mk1A barely meets the well optimized design due to the reduction of weight.
So probably the combat radius would be below the figure you found
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This entire program should be taught in MBA schools as a lesson of what NOT to do.:ROFLMAO:
LCA Tejas was designed so small so that it could use the hardened shelters meant for mig-21. In hindsight, this was a disastrous choice.

End this fu_king program at this point. Tejas Mk-2 will face same bakchodi as HAL is the one responsible for it.
 
This entire program should be taught in MBA schools as a lesson of what NOT to do.:ROFLMAO:
LCA Tejas was designed so small so that it could use the hardened shelters meant for mig-21. In hindsight, this was a disastrous choice.

End this fu_king program at this point. Tejas Mk-2 will face same bakchodi as HAL is the one responsible for it.
Tejas MK2 will be a pretty capable single engine 4.5 gen platform, hope things go well but we know hope alone isn't enough based on how the world cup turned out.