PAK-FA / Sukhoi Su-57 - Updates and Discussions

This is the first clear picture of Su-57's radar blocker @randomradio, @Speedster1 :

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Source of the image is : SPF
According to some informed members in a discord server, this pic shows the rear side of the inlet blocker.

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Front side
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Looks like a design similar to this one was chosen( The patent shows the different designs that were proposed, not that they were going to sandwich all 3 together to make a 3 stage blocker, which is normally assumed)
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So still people believe that IAF/GOI is not interested in Su-57🤣🤣https://www.aninews.in/news/world/a...su-57-partnership-status20260402173458/?amp=1 @randomradio, @YoungWolf

@_Anonymous_ Looks like one more precition of your boy is about to come true. Remember my telling everyone in late 2024 that we're going for Su-57 and everyone here doubted me as either delusional or a Russian fanboy. Wonder what those guys are thinking now, lol🤣
Predictions, eh? LOL 🤣🤣!!

Even now, nothing is official, and it won't be until the IAF submits the necessary paperwork for the AoN at the very least. As for your predictions, they were along the lines of "40-60 flyaway, and another 100-120 make in India", which will only happen after some serious bureaucratic olympics. Until that happens, until the pen gets put to the paper for exactly that (with MKI-fication), your predictions won't come true. Until then, I'd suggest stop making such "posts" about your "predictions" coming true. It only serves to add to your Russophile credentials, and rightly so. Cheerio!
 
Predictions, eh? LOL 🤣🤣!!
Way back in late 2024, I did say that we would procure Su-57, which no one here believed. So, if it is not prediction then I don't know what is🤷
Until that happens, until the pen gets put to the paper for exactly that (with MKI-fication), your predictions won't come true.
So, here you accept that I indeed have made predictions regarding Su-57, lol. You have forgotten that I said procuring Su-57 was seriously contemplated as late as end of 2024 and confirmed in last June, but the numbers and shape of the deal is getting discussed and isn't set in stone. So, 20-40 flyaway single-seat or 100-140 2-seat Su-57M2I or Su-60MKI with full Indian avionics and mission-computers is a high-possibility though discussions are still "ongoing". Dude, learn to give credit where it's due.
Until then, I'd suggest stop making such "posts" about your "predictions" coming true. It only serves to add to your Russophile credentials, and rightly so. Cheerio!
Russophile? Oh yes, I am such Russophile that I have supported India buying more and more Rafales as possible(not Mig-35/Su-35 or Su-75), collaborating with the French/Europeans for 6th gen fighter(not Mig-41), colloboration with French for 5th gen engine JV(not with UEC), been supporting ASRAAM over R-73, next-gen submarines program with Spain/Germany etc(not Russian subs). Maybe, I am Europhile too as per you🤣
 
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So still people believe that IAF/GOI is not interested in Su-57🤣🤣https://www.aninews.in/news/world/a...su-57-partnership-status20260402173458/?amp=1 @randomradio, @YoungWolf

@_Anonymous_ Looks like one more precition of your boy is about to come true. Remember my telling everyone in late 2024 that we're going for Su-57 and everyone here doubted me as either delusional or a Russian fanboy. Wonder what those guys are thinking now, lol🤣

That's the usual drama Russia and HAL are cooking up to offer a deal to the IAF on their own. It's got nothing to do with the IAF.

Su-57/M is still in IOC. Nothing's gonna happen until it achieves FOC and a few more years are spent unlocking all the avionics capabilities after that.
 
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So, 20-40 flyaway single-seat or 100-140 2-seat Su-57M2I or Su-60MKI with full Indian avionics and mission-computers is a high-possibility though discussions are still "ongoing". Dude, learn to give credit where it's due.
You'll receive your credits when it becomes official, and not before, as I've said. Until then, you're just passing off hot air by 2 desperate parties as concrete.
 
You'll receive your credits when it becomes official, and not before, as I've said. Until then, you're just passing off hot air by 2 desperate parties as concrete.
HAL wouldn't be having these discussions with the Russians without clearance from the MoD & that too these aren't exploratory or preliminary talks but have gone into great depths to investigate the amount of modifications required to the MKI line in Nashik.

So to that extent there's a great deal of seriousness involved. However I don't see much movement on this before we patch up with Washington DC , pay them their Jizia in the form of more orders of which we've a lot in the pipeline , get their neutrality besides seeing progress in the Su-57 program notably their M version with the Item 30 engine.

Then there's the Rafale program - the blue eyed boy of the IAF which has to be brought to its logical conclusion namely an IGA with France . I'd say we'd probably look to sign an agreement for the Su-57 by 2030 after the next elections. I'd be very surprised if we ink an agreement before .

In any case neither the Mk-1a nor the Mk-2 , or the Rafales & the Su-57 are coming before 2030 when I believe we'd be going up against China.

After that war who cares how long it takes for we can deal with a Paxtan with 2-4 squadrons of J-10 CE & an equivalent amount of J-35 even today with what we have just that the attrition rates & damages we sustain would be higher.
 
HAL wouldn't be having these discussions with the Russians without clearance from the MoD & that too these aren't exploratory or preliminary talks but have gone into great depths to investigate the amount of modifications required to the MKI line in Nashik.

So to that extent there's a great deal of seriousness involved. However I don't see much movement on this before we patch up with Washington DC , pay them their Jizia in the form of more orders of which we've a lot in the pipeline , get their neutrality besides seeing progress in the Su-57 program notably their M version with the Item 30 engine.

Then there's the Rafale program - the blue eyed boy of the IAF which has to be brought to its logical conclusion namely an IGA with France . I'd say we'd probably look to sign an agreement for the Su-57 by 2030 after the next elections. I'd be very surprised if we ink an agreement before .

In any case neither the Mk-1a nor the Mk-2 , or the Rafales & the Su-57 are coming before 2030 when I believe we'd be going up against China.

After that war who cares how long it takes for we can deal with a Paxtan with 2-4 squadrons of J-10 CE & an equivalent amount of J-35 even today with what we have just that the attrition rates & damages we sustain would be higher.
We have asked Russians the respective timeline for start of the local production. Maybe by the time our customized version is realised and ready for production, we could get 20-40 "off-the-shelf" single-seat Su-57s directly from Russia. If we do that, then we could probably have 20-30 jets by the end of this decade as Russia has increased production of Su-57.
 
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HAL wouldn't be having these discussions with the Russians without clearance from the MoD & that too these aren't exploratory or preliminary talks but have gone into great depths to investigate the amount of modifications required to the MKI line in Nashik.

So to that extent there's a great deal of seriousness involved. However I don't see much movement on this before we patch up with Washington DC , pay them their Jizia in the form of more orders of which we've a lot in the pipeline , get their neutrality besides seeing progress in the Su-57 program notably their M version with the Item 30 engine.

Then there's the Rafale program - the blue eyed boy of the IAF which has to be brought to its logical conclusion namely an IGA with France . I'd say we'd probably look to sign an agreement for the Su-57 by 2030 after the next elections. I'd be very surprised if we ink an agreement before .

In any case neither the Mk-1a nor the Mk-2 , or the Rafales & the Su-57 are coming before 2030 when I believe we'd be going up against China.

After that war who cares how long it takes for we can deal with a Paxtan with 2-4 squadrons of J-10 CE & an equivalent amount of J-35 even today with what we have just that the attrition rates & damages we sustain would be higher.

Imo, the Iran situation couldn't have come at a worse time for the IAF. If the O&G bill balloons beyond a certain threshold, GoI could scaled back, defer or cancel big budget acquisitions. Similar measures were taken in 2020 post the COVID outbreak. Fiscal consideration could temper the procurement momentum we've been seeing post Op Sindoor. Two parallel deals for 114 Rafale + 40 Su-57 look unlikely to me.
 
Imo, the Iran situation couldn't have come at a worse time for the IAF. If the O&G bill balloons beyond a certain threshold, multiple progs could be scaled back, deferred or cancelled. Similar measures were taken in 2020 post the COVID outbreak.

Yup. Even otherwise this government has been fiscally conservative with defence bearing the brunt of it.
Fiscal consideration could temper the procurement momentum we've been seeing post Op Sindoor.

Could be no resumption of Operation Sindoor as well unless Fauji Foundation decides to oblige us a possibility we can't rule out which further jeopardizes the IAF's future plans & MoD / GoI's spending.
Two parallel deals for 114 Rafale + 40 Su-57 look unlikely to me.
Yup. Even otherwise I don't think we'd be going in for the Su-57 within this decade for reasons previously offered.
 
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Apparently, we are moving ahead initially with 40 "off-the-shelf" Su-57Is which then would be followed by 2-seat dedicated MKIsed version. If the contract is signed by end of this year, then IAF will have all jets by 2031 and post that local production shall begin.
 
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Apparently, we are moving ahead initially with 40 "off-the-shelf" Su-57Is which then would be followed by 2-seat dedicated MKIsed version. If the contract is signed by end of this year, then IAF will have all jets by 2031 and post that local production shall begin.

Just a Russian cold offer and with 177 instead of Izd 30.

It was made as a counter to the US offering the F-35 via FMS route.

Usual lobbying.
 
We need to split this Su-57 Indian deal into three parts: 'If', 'How' & 'When'.

1. The first part was 'if', which meant whether India would procure Su-57 after GOI officially forlorned the program back in 2018? Then in late 2024, with China fielding hoardes of J-20s, testing not one but two 6th gen prototypes and the confirmed news of PAF procuring 40 J-35AEs made IAF worried. Apart from this, the Parliamentary Committe had already recommended 'over-the-counter' 5th gen options to IAF in 2023 itself. Thus, because of these above circumstances, decision was made in late 2024 to acquire either Su-57(preferred option) and F-35(highly unlikely) and feelers were sent to both Russia and USA. Then came Aero India 2025 and both Su-57 & F-35 marked their presence in that event. While Americans came with the jet(with formal proposal to follow after sometime), the Russians made a comprehensive offer with access to key aero-tech, which they had denied us till date. So, IAF was already swaying towards Su-57 while GOI kept F-35 option alive in-order not to p*ss off Uncle Sam.

But then war with Pak happened and thanks to American backstab and unreliability, F-35 was rejected in June 2025(Lockheed Martin team which was scheduled to make a formal proposal regarding India having F-35As was called-off) and Su-57 was selected during the same month, which brings us to our next part: "HOW"?

2. 'How' here simply means the layout of the deal. By early 2025, it was very clear to GOI that AMCA won't be ready for war before 2040 and would optimistically only hit production in mid 2030s. So there was a gap in IAF's combat readiness when both China and Pak will have plenty of 5th gen jets by 2035-40. Along with that, the Russian offer was so comprehensive that now GOI started to think about not just ordering "off-the-shelf" Su-57s, but also about a domestically manufactured tailored version like MKI till 2035. So, the deal was split in two parts: Direct supply of around 40-60 Su-57Is from Russia till 2030 and local-production of 2-seat variant in India till 2035 by which time AMCA would start rolling out. Now on to the most interesting part: When?

3. This part is interesting because IAF themselves have "officially" said multiple times in the past that Rafale + AMCA combo was good enough to counter PLAAF. There are many members of our forum who are still stuck in this thought process. There are American and European hurdels in India procuring Su-57s en masse. But why India keeps on buying from Russia despite access to any Western weapon? 'Cause Russians, while not offering their all, do offer the most and that matters to us. Su-30MKI(the only high-end jet not to get shot down by enemy fire), BrahMos-A('nuff said, lol) and S-400 were the MVPs of last year's skirmish making Su-57s case much stronger. Now whole IAF is in support of acquiring Su-57s. The contract for both deals, i.e., direct purchase and local-production should be signed by the end of FY27 but ONLY post we sign 114 Rafale deal with France.

Whether this above analysis/scenario will prove correct or not: just wait and watch and you all shall know soon;)
 
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Hedging the Su-57 by Lt. Gen. Prakash Katoch (Ret'd)

The proposed Indo-French Rafale deal for 114 additional Rafale fighter jets costing USD 39-40 billion, covered in these columns earlier (Next Indo-French Rafale Deal) highlighted the following:

  • The India Air Force (IAF) is very much interested in the Su-57 stealth fighter jet for deep-strike roles.
  • Russia has said: Su-57 package for India with 100% technology transfer could cost about 50% of what India would pay for the Rafale Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) Deal and existing Su-30 facilities in India can accommodate bulk Su-57E production under Make-in-India.
  • India will be paying almost double the cost of what was originally envisaged in the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender in 2012; INR 1.86 lakh crore for 126 Rafales in 2021 versus INR 3.25 lakh crore for 114 Rafales now.
  • In 2015, when India signed for 36 Rafales, India’s Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said Su-30MKI offered a viable alternative, one Rafale costing INR 600-750 crore while a Su-30 and Tejas bought together for the same price. But 36 Rafales cost about EUR 7.25 billion without armaments - about INR 1,500 crore per aircraft.
  • The Defence Procurement Board (DPB) has cleared the proposal for 114 Rafales before forwarding it to the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).
  • The proposed deal envisages importing 12-18 Rafales in fly-away condition and the remaining under Make in India with indigenous components accounting for more than 30% of total content.
  • India wants indigenous weapons, missiles and ammunition integrated on all 114 Rafales with Dassault providing secure data links to allow digital integration of Indian radars and sensors; Dassault to make software changes in the onboard computing system.
  • According to the French media the package would include: F4 upgrades for 35 Rafales in service with the IAF; at least 24 of 114 Rafales could be F5 standard (expected to enter service after 2030) but these 24 would be manufactured in France, not in India.
The French media mentions F4 upgrades for 35 Rafales in service with the IAF – not 36 Rafales, less the one lost in Op ‘Sindoor’? India is now set to issue a Request for Proposal (RFP) in May 2026, including a mandatory Made in India clause requiring localized production and technology transfer - 18 jets imported and 96 manufactured domestically. This follows approval of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) on February 12, 2026.
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However, the French have intimated that source codes for the aircraft’s core software would remain under French control - a possible kill switch and upper hand for every future upgrade? Should we accept this? For integration of indigenous weapons in the Rafales, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) plans to include an Interface Control Document (ICD) without access to the source code; it doesn’t look like this will give independent full control to India.

In the above backdrop, D K Sunil, Chairman and MD of HAL made a surprise announcement on April 6, 2026 of license production of the Su-57 in India, saying, “I think presentations have been made regarding the Su-57 to the IAF by the Russian team regarding capabilities of the aircraft. We have had one estimation of the capacity of our plants for the Russian equipment. A committee of Russians has also studied and said that roughly 50% of the facilities can be used for producing this aircraft, but some new investments will be required.” He further said, “We are awaiting the Russian quotation about the investment. Then we will approach the Air Force that these are the kind of numbers required to produce these aircraft and these are the timelines.”

In June 2025, Russia’s Defence Ministry offered India full access to the aircraft’s source code as part of a license production deal, which would place Indian Su-57s in the same league as the Russian military – allowing the same levels of customisation and degree to which they can integrate indigenous technologies. In February 2026, local media reported MoD considering near-term procurement of 40 Su-57s, followed by license production in India; the deal mirroring an earlier one to procure 50 Russian Su-30MKI fighters before deliveries from local production could commence.

According to a former IAF Group Captain, “When you combine the exceptional aerodynamics of Su-57 and the Indian avionics and software to it, you have an airplane much better than the F-35.” It is also believed that a miniaturised variant of the indigenous ‘Virupaksha’ AESA radar currently under development for the Su-30MKI could be integrated onto a local variant of the Su-57.

It is abundantly clear that the Su-57 offer is by far better than the Rafales but there is speculation that negotiations for the Russian Su-57E deal was deliberately delayed to push through the additional Rafales costing USD 39-40 billion. The Rafale, deal no doubt, would offer better kickbacks and enable political machinations; for example. Anil Ambani’s 10-day old company Reliance Defence Limited (RDL), with no experience in jets manufacturing, was made the “offset partner” with Dassault in the first deal. Indian media said Dassault chose RDL but former French President Francois Holland told media that the Indian government wanted RDL as offset partner. Anil Ambani, mentioned in Epstein Files, is adept in establishing multiple companies and then declaring an odd one bankrupt.

India should have gone directly for the Su-57E, which is a far better deal than the Rafales, but for the fear of American sanctions / tariffs. No Indo-Russian defence deal was announced even during the recent visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to India for the 23rd India-Russia Summit, fearing America’s Donald Trump administration. But by choosing the Rafales instead of the Su-57E, India is ignoring the operational requirements of the IAF amid mounting national security threats, and the serious drawback of Dassault controlling the source codes of Rafales forever. Many nations, including small ones like Spain, have stood up to the US in the current geopolitical environment.

In the case of India, despite all efforts to appease the US, Trump’s blockade of the Straits of Hormuz will damage the Indian economy immensely. Prime Minister Narendra Modi has tweeted that he received a telephone call from his “dear friend” Donald Trump and both discussed the bilateral relationship, as well as the situation in West Asia. But shouldn’t India ask the US to not block Indian ships entering and exiting the Straits of Hormuz because the blockade harms India more than Pakistan and China? US Secretary of State Marco Rubio is visiting India next month to discuss Quad but what about Indian interests being harmed by the US blockade?

Even if the Rafale deal is signed today, F4 deliveries under Make-in-India are expected to commence only from 2030. Additionally, the last delivery of the 114 Rafales is unlikely before 2038. To cover this up, the spin doctors are saying that Russia can offer two squadrons of the Su-57E only after 2030 – in the post Trump era? But they are brushing under the carpet the fact that Russia began Su-57 deliveries to Algeria, the aircraft’s first client, in late 2025, with the aircraft having already entered active service in the Russian military.

But there are poignant questions that must be addressed. Why are we spending USD 40 billion of taxpayer’s money on Rafales (with a better deal at half the price at hand) when the West Asia war shows America’s military might handicapped by Iran’s asymmetric war, and 2020 proved we lack the political will to use force against China?

If this isn’t enough, the government has moved a bill to raise Lok Sabha seats from 543 to 816, and all State Assemblies and Union Territories (UTs) expanding by 50%. This, despite sloganeering ‘Minimum Government, Maximum Governance’ since 2014? A conservative 5-year additional amount costing the taxpayers is INR 40,000–50,000 crore as direct cost, which does not include the MPLAD fund, rent-free bungalows, free train + air travel for life, for self + family, free medical for self + family, INR 31,000/month pension after just one term, dedicated staff, security, vehicles, you name it. Based on analysis of affidavits for the 2024 Lok Sabha elections by Association for Democratic Reforms (ADR), 251 of 543 newly elected MPs (about 46%) face declared criminal cases - 55% increase in MPs with criminal records since 2009. It is on record that all corruption cases against politicians who switch parties to join the political party are dropped altogether. But does India deserve the politician-parasite fraternity to expand exponentially in the manner described above?

The author is an Indian Army veteran. Views expressed are personal.
 
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