Historically all the same people though. And there's continuity from Fabian Society to current universities.
Israel, US Strike Iran After Weeks Of Warning, Explosions Heard In Tehran
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Historically all the same people though. And there's continuity from Fabian Society to current universities.
Iran has created a network of subterranean inter linked cities serving as mfg storage & launch pads for their BM CM & drones.
While not the most effective strategy it's still taking a toll on the US , Israel & their allies in the ME forcing them to recalibrate .
Does all this come cheap ? Depends on what's the alternative ? Is it cheaper & safer to have such an inventory as compared to an inventory of F-35 + B-2 if it were theoretically possible ? Of course it is .
Since the IAF doesn't have the reach to get to the Eastern & Southern Coasts of China besides BMs & CMs what choice do we have in case the war doesn't stay restricted to the border as everyone & their uncle assumes it will be .
OTOH Delhi is barely 400 kms from the LAC as the crow flies as are various mfg & population centers from the LAC . Tibet & Xinjiang itself are vast spaces where China can camouflage such launch sites which in turn can target all the aforementioned areas I've listed above.
What're we going to do to deter China ? Destroy those sites ? That's not going to solve the problem. Such sites from deeper within the hinterland will take over the function of those destroyed sites.
Our deterrence in the conventional realm will come from a huge stock pile of such missiles as can reach the furthest corners of China along with substantial war time mfg capacities .
If after witnessing what's going on in Iran since last year we're still beating around the bush & are being ambivalent then be prepared to face what Iran's facing on a daily basis .
It may or may not be as severe. That's a chance we'd have to take & by the looks of it this government is indeed taking such chances.
Many of their core military production sites are well within reach as randomradio said especially their J20 production site at Chengdu which we can destroy even with our current capabilities in time of war. Shenyang is indeed far away near Manchuria iirc so that will be difficult to destroy. Hainan is somewhat within our reach as well as is their southern region which is reachable via LRLACM launched from Northeast and the 1,500 km conventional hypersonic ballistic missile DRDO is working on. With that range Chengdu, Kunming, Chongqing will be within reach, major population centers too.
Btw you said Delhis 400 km away which means they can use their MLRS to launch attacks but if we destroy that they can't use MLRS, they will have to fire 1,500 to 2,000 km away like we will have to and they do have missiles in those ranges in numbers of hundreds but not thousands iirc, bulk of their missiles are 500 to 1,000 km AFAIK.
You've got to realize designing and testing such missiles take time and money which GOI has now embarked upon. You can't just will missiles into existence bud. It will take some time before BM04 and LRLACM are ready for production in numbers. Else we can't just randomly produce huge numbers of unproven tech like @marich01 once pointed out.
Araghchi said Iran has not closed the strategic waterway but has imposed restrictions on vessels belonging to countries involved in attacks against Iran, while offering assistance to others amid heightened security concerns.
He added that Iran is prepared to ensure safe passage for countries such as Japan if they coordinate with Tehran.”
* if Japan coordinates with tehran*
Iran ready to help passage of Japan ships in Strait of Hormuz: Araghchi
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has said Tehran is ready to facilitate the passage of Japanese vessels through the Strait of Hormuz, a key artery for global energy shipments, and that negotiations with Japan on the issue are ongoing.
Right so where's the LRLACM or the land version of the recent Hypersonic AShM we tested ?
No they don't have to fire their missiles from 1500 kms away from the LAC. Check out the topography of Xinjiang & Tibet to see the number of silos the Chinese have constructed.
Now these are the ones which have been identified. There may be many inside mountain caves or underground which we've little to no knowledge about. It's only after all these are taken out that the ones in their hinterland come into play.
I was referring more to the Agni series between 2-4000 kms which has been classified for strategic use since long & is now under the SFC or the Shaurya with a range between 1500-2000 kms derived from the K-15 Sagarika , recently developed , which is also now within the remit of the SFC.
These are tried & tested systems which merely have to be sanctioned by the authorities for dual use much like the Chinese have done. Instead our guys have as usual tied one arm around our backs & are refusing to remedy the situation.
@Rajput Lion
**studies and sector analyses indicate that over 70% of China's technical potential for wind and solar is concentrated in the west and north**
**Western and southwestern regions are the backbone of China's hydropower, containing approximately 80% of the country's total hydroelectric resources**
china now increasingly focuses more and more on fullfilling its energy demand by creating energy independence, by creating more and more solar,wind,hydro,nuclear plants for its energy demand to decrease its reliance on coal and especially *oil* as most of its oil comes from abroad and ocean route and russia alone cannot fulfill China's current oil needs unless china unless china decreases its need for oil massively in favour of nuclear,wind,solar,hydro.
And you can't camouflage things like solar farms, wind farms, dams etc.
What's the connection to their missile silos or bases visible or concealed in the same region ?
This is why ground engagement will play major role in this.
Don't understand the question.
But in a future conflict if china attacks our cities and infra, it will makes its energy infra vunrable to our retaliation.
Type of LossPercentage to Reach "Critical Damage" in energy supply of a country.
Total Production decline ~10-15% (Sudden)Triggers immediate cascading failures if "spinning reserves" can't ramp up fast enough.
Targeted Nodes~1% of SubstationsCauses total regional collapse and potential national frequency instability.
Once again to all the Yankee supporters(F-35 fans)of our forum and in general: "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal"
My personal thoughts are that Trump might not be as dumb as he looks and sounds and probably knew the straight of Hormuz would be shut down by Iran, and if Iran does it long enough it will force Europe to support a ground invasion of Iran. So whilst it's a clever ploy from the Iranian regime in the short-term, it could get real dumb in the long-term.Once again to all the Yankee supporters(F-35 fans)of our forum and in general: "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal"
I personally don't know why they don't just drop a B83 on Natanz and Pick Axe Mountain sites and call it job done. It'll only kill 800 people (most of them nuclear scientists and technicians plus IRGC security staff) and the regime has already murdered 30,000 civilians this year, so it's negligible by comparison.
USS Boxer The Second Amphibious Assault Ship Now Heading To Middle East (Updated)
With two Amphibious Ready Groups heading to the Middle East, there is increasing speculation that the U.S. will try to seize Iran's strategic Kharg Island.
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Now that Paddy has made a finding we can rest assured that no such ground invasion is going to take place. Paddy is one of the 2 members who've been remarkably consistent in making predictions out here which turns out to be the opposite in real life.
How about one in Kiev by the Russians too Paddy ? After all that war has been on for 4+ years & already claimed millions of lives on both sides. What's a few thousand more ?I personally don't know why they don't just drop a B83 on Natanz and Pick Axe Mountain sites and call it job done. It'll only kill 800 people (most of them nuclear scientists and technicians plus IRGC security staff) and the regime has already murdered 30,000 civilians this year, so it's negligible by comparison.
USS Boxer The Second Amphibious Assault Ship Now Heading To Middle East (Updated)
With two Amphibious Ready Groups heading to the Middle East, there is increasing speculation that the U.S. will try to seize Iran's strategic Kharg Island.
Check out #987 & your response in #988 & explain the connection or reference to context.
If their energy infrastructure becomes vulnerable do you think ours would remain safe ?
There's a balance of terror or MAD in the conventional sphere as well. You just saw it play out in the ME a few days ago where Israel bombed the South Pars fields & Iran retaliated against Israel Qatar UAE Kuwait & KSA taking out similar targets.
Why do you think our war will be different with China ? Most of their industrial & population centers I repeat are located 3-4000 kms away from our mainland whereas ours are barely 4-800 kms from the LAC.
Yeah, you're way off the reality.My personal thoughts are that Trump might not be as dumb as he looks and sounds and probably knew the straight of Hormuz would be shut down by Iran, and if Iran does it long enough it will force Europe to support a ground invasion of Iran. So whilst it's a clever ploy from the Iranian regime in the short-term, it could get real dumb in the long-term.
I personally don't know why they don't just drop a B83 on Natanz and Pick Axe Mountain sites and call it job done. It'll only kill 800 people (most of them nuclear scientists and technicians plus IRGC security staff) and the regime has already murdered 30,000 civilians this year, so it's negligible by comparison.
USS Boxer The Second Amphibious Assault Ship Now Heading To Middle East (Updated)
With two Amphibious Ready Groups heading to the Middle East, there is increasing speculation that the U.S. will try to seize Iran's strategic Kharg Island.
First it doesn't just kill people on the site, it kicks up irradiated debris (fallout) that the wind carries across borders.
Europe ain't coming, and dropping a nuke in this case ain't about just casualties it will cause, its about the symbolic meaning it give, the short and long term social,political, geopolitical costs that U.S.,Republicans,trump, Israel will have to face. And the long term negative social,political and Economical,geopolitical effect it will cause for the U.S. as a whole.
Not just that,It will set a precedent, like in future Russia's chances of using a tactical nuke on Ukraine will increase manifold, if u.s. nukes Iran.
And many other nations will rush to get their nukes if a precedent is set of use of nuclear weapons in modern day again a non nuclear capable nation Poland, Japan, s.k., maybe even Germany will think of getting sovereign nukes, Turkey etc.